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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:17 PM
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The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck statement
You Obamas have really outdone yourselves today. Let's add another voice of reason to RFK Jr's response:

"The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

“The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy’s assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.”"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/

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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:19 PM
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1. Thats like saying "the only problem is she said it"
Cant put the toothpaste back in the tube.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:19 PM
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2. They played the entire segment on some of the clips.
The question is about her wording. She could have said "my husband's and RFK's campaigns were still active in June" or something like that. People are reacting to the use of the word 'assassination'.
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:21 PM
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3. overreacting is more like it
but that's what an internet forum does best.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:34 PM
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17. WRONG AGAIN. At the very least she GAFFED bigtime, and at worst she
invoked RFK to make the point that she should stay in in case something bad happens to Obama. Either way, it was in VERY poor taste, and she needs to further explain it and properly apologize for it.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:33 AM
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27. Aren't you funny! As if anything she said would be satisfactory
to you ridiculous people. How scared you must be to latch on to something so insignificant that even the assassinated RFK's son is attempting to calm you down. You need to take this beyond the limits of decency to try to push through your candidate, even if it is pouring acid on the heart of Ted Kennedy, who does not need this idiocy at this time. If O wins you will then have to excuse either his incompetency or his failed candidacy. Oh, what the hell, you can just blame it on the Clintons; and you accuse her of being a neo-con? Truly, enough said!
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:37 PM
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22. Bingo! Exactly....
There was no context in which the term "assassination" could have been used and made any contextual sense about a campaign running into June.

And this coming off of Huckabee's flippin' "joke" the other day!

The remark was insensitive at best, calculated fear-mongering at worst.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:22 PM
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4. What else are they going to say?
They are trying to protect the party. We DUers on the other hand are the party, we are not constrained by politics, not should we be.

Beck and RFK are trying to soften the blow because they know how we are feeling.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:24 PM
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7. We are the party.
Finally.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:34 PM
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16. Excuse me, but
I am a DUer and part of the Democratic Party too, so please do not try to speak for me.

We DUers on the other hand are the party
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:38 PM
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23. And how do you feel tonight?
Really? Political speech aside.

I feel angry, frustrated and a growing sadness. I also feel resolute and betrayed.

Believe it or not, I will take any Hillary supporter at their word that they will vote for the Democratic nominee. Just as I swore to vote for Hillary months ago.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:21 AM
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26. I feel just as I have since the whole process began.
This 'Hillary is advocating for Obama to be murdered' crap is at least as stupid, if not more stupid than the "These people are shits" idiocy!. The 'Michele Obama isn't proud of her country' stupidity is right up there too. As is "Randi Rhodes (or David Shuster) were picked on for nothing" stuff is pretty far out there.

Political speech aside, I have said from the beginning...I prefer Hillary...If (when) Obama is the nominee...officially...then I prefer Obama. It is that simple. I am a Democrat...despite what some of the Obama supporters have said about Hillary supporters....and I will vote for the Democrat. I, as a woman, hell as a human being, cannot contribute to a McCain victory, and will so as much as my schedule allows me to do to prevent it.

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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:38 PM
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24. Delete - double post
Edited on Fri May-23-08 11:39 PM by CaptJasHook
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:23 PM
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5. And the award for stupidest statement of the year goes to
"Her reference to Mr. Kennedy’s assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.”


Huh?
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PeterPancake Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:24 PM
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6. Yeah, that'll end the hoopla
Now that Randell Beck has come out and set the record straight, it's over. Onto the convention!

:rofl:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:24 PM
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8. Oh more "feigned indignation" in order to get us to change the subject.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 11:25 PM by ShortnFiery
Did HRC or any of her supporters do ANY DAMN THING to support Obama during his "bitter" gaffe?

This isn't payback but "a red flag" indicating that HRC has JUMPED THE SHARK.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:25 PM
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9. If Hillary is the one with the experience and gravitas for the office...
...why is she and her husband the one making all the gaffes? I don't want her to reference, for example, the Bhutto assassination when meeting with a delegation from Pakistan. Add this with the "hardworking whites" comment the other day, and you start to wonder if the Clintons' experience "fighting the media" wasn't due to HUGE lapses in judgement (like this one), and that they haven't deserved some of their harsh treatment over the years.

Don't forget, she wasn't so quick to defend John Kerry when he was in trouble around November 2006.

And people wonder why Obama (and his campaign) takes their time before spitting out a response...
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:29 PM
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10. Well there is this Team Obama response
They got in their little dig.

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080524/ap_on_el_pr/clinton
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:32 PM
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13. that was from late this afternoon, before her apology.
They took her apology at her word, and as David Axelrod says, are giving her the benefit of the doubt. But honestly, it was unfortunate in that it was a bit inept to think that this wouldn't be jumped on by the media. Not very politically savvy.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:34 PM
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15. The Clintons would say that's just playing politics.
After all this talk about the Obama Team's naivete, The spin masters are reaping what they sow. And her campaign should get on their knees and thank Vishnu that the response was this muted--as with the Rev. Wright fiasco, the Clintons would see this as an opportunity.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:31 PM
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11. Do you feel badly now that you kept taking Obama's "bitter" comment out of context?
I'm just wondering if all those Hillary supporters who attacked Obama ruthlessly, like yourself, are wishing they hadn't done so now. :shrug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:35 PM
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18. They don't have a leg to stand on.
Hillary's campaign is kaput.

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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:36 PM
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20. Nothing needed to be outrageously inferred in the "bitter" comments
as it does to find ill intent in Clinton's words.

BO's comments in S.F. stood on their own - context included.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:39 PM
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25. That's all I needed to know. You have no remorse, you're just upset that it happened to Hillary.
That's fine by me, I just know not to ever expect the truth from one of your posts now.

Thank you. :hi:
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:32 PM
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12. NOT THE POINT ! Whatever the motive, it is STUPID and INSENSITIVE to use this ! And, there are MANY
other examples she could have used to illustrate long primary campaigns. There was another reason in her head for using this, or she wouldn't have done so. She needs to APOLOGIZE FOR REAL, then we can move on.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:33 PM
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14. "You Obamas" - Well, many of us AMERICANS are angry about this,
no matter what a Kennedy says.

This is not just about the Kennedy family.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:56 AM
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28. A Kennedy? His son, SR, his son!
What's the matter, you want the Kennedys to be feuding also? It isn't Hillary that is being insensitive to the Kennedys in their time of tragedy!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:05 AM
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29. What? I can't make sense of your accusation.
Let me try again:

I am not concerned about what the Kennedy family says about Hillary's comments.

What concerns me is the history of and the spectre of future political assassinations in this country.

We have, for the first time, a viable African American candidate president who will likely be our nominee. And now, people like Huckabee, Hillary, and right-wing wackos on the radio talking and making jokes about assassination.

THIS IS FUCKING DANGEROUS!!

Is that more clear to you?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:36 PM
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19. the opinion of an editor of a two-bit newspaper means nada
if he can't figure it out, too fucking bad. I, and other Americans, can.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:37 PM
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21. Justifies what robert kennedy Jr. said... " I have heard her make
this reference before......but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." So there you have it. Not only from the editor but from the son and I am sure you folks will take another truthful read of her comments....

I do thank you if you do....

Shalom
Ben David
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:11 AM
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30. Every post you have made tonight, and will make, that references RFKjr will NOT negate the damage
done to Hillary's campaign. His words will not staunch an anger and fear within African American communities throughout the country.

This is not just about the Kennedy family. It is also about MLKjr, Malcom X, and the fear African Americans have regarding historical and possible future assassinations of their leaders.

Major blowback is coming.

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