Keith Olbermann is generally full of piss and vinegar . . .

[MrModerate]

But this time he's just full of shit.

Not everyone gets it right every time. But to go off on a tear about Clinton's remarks about RFK's assassination shows that even the best of the mainstream media is more concerned with raising their audiences' blood pressure than raising legitimate issues. Pure blather, IMO, and worthy of a Hannity or a Savage, but not the talking head who so legitimately tore Bush a new one just a few days ago.

Sad really . . . it cheapens all of KOs work to date.

And for those DUers issuing smoke and fire from every orifice over Clinton's comments? Pul-leeze. YOU need to get a grip. YOU'RE losing sight of reality if you think this constitutes a gaffe worth noting.

I don't doubt for a moment that it *will* be noted, and the spittle-spraying Clintonphobes will call for her head on a pike (it's happening already right here at DU), but you're just falling into a Karl Rove-sized hole and doing the 'Lican's dirty work for them by hyperventilating over this.

Do you think that "Clinton Rules," where everything she says by definition comes from the mouth of Satan won't *immediately* be turned on Obama the second she's formally out of the race? Do you think the 'Licans have actually given up on winning? Hell no! They have every intention of cramming McCain down our throats -- and they expect to be successful.

Given the viciousness and hysteria around here, I'm not sure they aren't right. Thank heavens the larger political universe doesn't actually pay attention to what goes on at DU.

[populistdriven]

1. /PLONK

[DemVet]

2. Great post...well said.

[Seabiscuit]

17. I'll second that!

:applause:

[Marrah_G]

3. It has crossed the line into the absurd

I can't seem to ignore fast enough.

[WillyToad]

40. Anger poisons a persons integrity...

He was seen as a reincarnation of Edward R Murrow, now he is just an angry bigoted hack. It's too bad, really.

[nradisic]

4. Mr. Moderate?

Al From is calling on line 2.....the DLC is dead!

[Medusa]

5. WRONG.

I'm no Olbermann fan. I've long believed his special comments were more about getting him ratings and attention than they were at true outrage. But this time he hit the nail directly on the head. Hillary deserved every single word of his SC last night and I'm proud of him for saying it.

[mac2]

8. It was bull crap and you know it.

[mac2]

6. I didn't see the remark about the Kennedy assignation as distasteful.

First the media picks the candidates for public office. Then they make sure the one who wins can't defeat the Republican.

We've seen it since 2000. The media was so outrageous that the Congress had a hearing regarding their influence to stop the election, hurry it along etc. They said they would be more "fair and balanced" in the next election and primary. Seems they committed perjury.

[Andy823]

30. Is that why the media

Has been supporting Hillary? Those "right wing" talking heads that have been saying she is the better candidate, and she "has" to be the VP if not the nominee, or encouraging republicans to cross over and vote for "Hillary", are pretty obvious who they want as the nominee. I wonder why?

[TexasObserver]

7. KO was 100% dead on, nothing but net. Silly spin you're trying there.

KO said something that ALL commentators supported.

[MrModerate]

10. The commentariat is the worst combination of sheep and sharks . . .

One can imagine. Herd mentality, no independent thought, simultaneous attacking of something they can't even eat.

You made my point for me.

[TexasObserver]

19. Your comments are lame.

Go sell crazy somewhere else, lady.

[MrModerate]

20. Yeah, and yer momma shops at Navy Surplus Stores.

Phew. Next cogent remark?

[Pachamama]

24. Yes, KO was 100% correct and I am disgusted by Hillary Clinton and think what she said was wrong and

calculated and if it was just a slip, then its another proof that she is not fit to be our President.

Put a fork in me, I'm done when it comes to Hillary Clinton. I'm voting for Obama for President whether he is the nominee or not. If I have to write his name in, I will. I'm done with her and no matter the flame mails I will receive here suggesting a McCain presidency, I will not be forced into voting for someone like her should she manage to get the nomination through manipulation, changes of rules and gawd forbid if something happened to Senator Obama. I'm done with her. Plain and simple and recent actions and comments by her have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me. She is destructive and is destroying the spirit in this campaign and in the democratic party. She will never be President, never.

[blue sky at night]

9. glad its you that has to defend....

this load of shit...not me. What part of "your candidate is a trainwreck, and has been for months" don't you understand? Hope you sleep well on that planet you live on.

[MrModerate]

15. I don't need to defend Hillary Clinton . . .

She does just fine on her own. She's going to win or lose (most likely lose) the nomination on her own.

But I'm more and more convinced that dems are going to lose an unlosable election because of the kind of vicious, unbalanced, hysterical, and mindless behavior I've seen writ large on this site over the last few months. Aided and abetted by a media with the morals of a hyenas and the professional pride of vultures.

Trainwreck? Clinton is running neck and neck with Obama. Millions of democrats think she's a better choice than Obama.

And unless people put away their pitchforks and tar, the 'Licans are going to pull off a victory in November that I would have thought impossible even 2 months ago.

[blue sky at night]

29. I guess what you said was not a Defense?

Oh, duh? If anyone is going to elect the 'Licans its the HRC racists, not the other way around.

[DrDan]

11. well said - I continue to be amazed at the juvenile attitude on display in this forum

sanity and any sense of respect have long since departed.

And the calls for apologies. Is there anything more middle-school than the demand for apologies? I picture this group of pre-teens standing around in a circle DEMANDING apologies for whatever insult was hurled.

[Elspeth]

13. The best thing Obama supporters could do is calm down and SEND HIM MONEY

It's money that wins elections, not uncontrolled emotion.

[YWC08]

12. You are a raving lunatic and a jackass. Take off your pantsuit-shaped glasses and get freaking real.

He was spot on, and you know it. That is why it has hit such a nerve.

[Lady-Damai]

14. BOO HOO.....Keith Olbermann ROCKS!!!!

[Epiphany4z]

16. I thought about what Hillary said

and What Kieth had to say about it I do think he was a bit over the top but then I think what would everyone here be saying if McCain had said what Hillary said..or the reaction from Hillary supporters over Obama's "Bitter Comment" and think....Hillary and her supporters know how this works and sucks that she said it but she did 2 diffrent times.

She knows what it is going to cost her. I think her supporters do too...I just do not see any one fixing this one. Hillary basically did what she was hopping Obama would do ...commit a really big screw up . I guess she just never considered it would be her and not Obama who committed the unforgivable campaign screw up.

[On the Road]

22. That is Actually Not a Bad Test:

What would be the reaction if McCain or Bush made such a reference?

[Unbowed]

18. Well somebody is, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's Keith Olbermann who's full of shit. n/t

[napi21]

21. Keith is my favorite host, but I thought he was really over the top

last night. Remember, Barack was the FIRST candidate to request SS protection, and how many times have YOU read threads about concerns for Obama's safety? Hillary related one of the darker events in our history, and just because we don't like to remember it doesnt make it go away.


I'm having a very hard time with EVERY TV news channel replaying Hillary's remarks over & over & over every damn hour. At least ONE guest last night, when asked why this comment has gotten so much attention right now, and he said "the Dem candidates have been talking pretty nice about each other for the last week or so, so there was nothing the talking heads could highlight. It's been a slow news week so they all jumped on this one comment, just to have something to talk about." That was a pretty sad commentary, but an unfortunately true one!

[Midwestern Democrat]

26. I agree - I lost a lot of respect for KO last night.

It reminded me of all the vicious condemnation of John Kerry when he made the botched joke - it is manufactured outrage at its very worst.

[nichomachus]

23. Cool -- we got all Hillary's "28 percenters" on one thread

[MrsT]

25. "YOU'RE losing sight of reality if you think this constitutes a gaffe worth noting."

"I don't doubt for a moment that it *will* be noted, and the spittle-spraying Clintonphobes will call for her head on a pike (it's happening already right here at DU), but you're just falling into a Karl Rove-sized hole and doing the 'Lican's dirty work for them by hyperventilating over this."

Did you post the same things about snubgate and bittergate and facescratchinggate?

[Perry Logan]

27. Listening to Olbermann's Special Comments is like being forced to listen to a Mahler symphony.

You keep saying, "For Chist's sake, is this thing STILL GOING!?"

[Berry Cool]

28. "Thank heavens the larger political universe doesn't actually pay attention to what goes on at DU."

Yet some people still choose to post their diatribes here as if anyone did.

Isn't it ironic...doncha think???? :rofl:

[MrModerate]

36. A bit of irony, of course . . .

I just don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking we're doing much more than talking to (or sniping at, as the case may be) each other.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. It blows my mind that people are still trying to defend Hillary's comment

And you call Obama supporters a cult.

[MrModerate]

37. Actually, I've never called Obama supporters a cult . . .

And looking at the responses to my OP, I don't see anyone who more-or-less agrees with me calling Obama supporters a cult.

I don't defend the Clinton's comment any more than I'd defend someone inadvertently belching in public. What drives me 'round the bend -- and what could very easily doom us in November -- is the manufactured rage over a comment that has clearly been puffed up by the media and by angry zealots because they had briefly run out of nasty things to say about Clinton and have fastened on this one to beat her with.

It's phony, it's sick, it's dangerous, and it shows how dysfunctional the political process has become in the US.

[cbc5g]

32. Yes and Clintons campaign of RW attacks against Obama was OKAY.

Reverend Wright "controversy" was OKAY
Bittergate was OKAY
Clintons remarks on her and McCain having experience and Obama having a speech was OKAY
Obama is only winning because he is black is OKAY
Obama is sexist is OKAY
Clinton praising Fox News and conservative media as fair and the liberal media is against her is OKAY

/sarcasm

Now Clinton is in it because Obama may be assassinated is OKAY?!?!?!

Sorry "Mr. Moderate" but your shit isnt sticking. Hillary gets what she deserves for the kind of campaign she ran. I remember the months where Obama was attacked here and in the media and Hillary stood by making political points off those bullshit controversies. Maybe you were living under a rock then?

[MrModerate]

42. Ahem . . .

• Reverend Wright *is* controversial. More precisely, he's a loon and Obama did the right thing to distance himself.
• Obama's "bitter" remark was an uncomfortable truth that was run ragged by the media. Given the reality of US politics as an hysterical screamfest, he earned some criticism for making a remark that could be turned back on him.
• The experience question with Obama is real, and the 'Licans will bash him with it night and day during the runup to the general. Clinton thinks she's the better candidate because she can't be beaten with that particular stick. And she said so.
• Who said he was winning because he was black? Clinton? I must have been under a rock that day.
• Who said he was sexist? Clinton? See above.
• Fux News/liberal media, etc., etc. -- I'm not sure where you parsed that from, but it's not what I read.
• Who said she was in it because Obama might be assassinated? Clinton? Sorry, I saw her comment and that's not what she said at all. She said she was in it because it wasn't decided yet. I happen to think she's wrong on that -- and so do a lot of other people -- but she gets to make that call, not Fux News, not CNN, not me, not you.

Obama has (apparently) prevailed in what was by most standards of US campaigning a gentle and basically bloodless primary contest. For people like yourself to insist that Clinton not merely lose, but be tarred and feathered, is preposterous. And dangerous. And will come back to bite us in November.

[apocalypsehow]

33. Such touching "concern"...

:eyes:

[MrModerate]

43. Huh?

[Zomby Woof]

34. People who worked with him here in L.A.

Back when he was a local sportscaster, and people who worked with him at ESPN during his SportsCenter heyday, can tell you: He has the most colossal ego in the business. True, the business is full of massive egos, but his has a pomposity and overreach that has alienated more than the customary share of his colleagues behind camera and otherwise. His ratings are his savior. When his star fades, he'll be grubbing for new work in no time. He should go back to sports. He can save his righteous indignation for steroids users or college football player bribes.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

35. Well said! k&r

[ShortnFiery]

38. KO speaks for me! He's the one noble "candle" in our *all but destroyed* Forth Estate.

Keith Olbermann :thumbsup: :patriot:

[Cha]

39. You're a hilary apologist so whatever you say about

hilary's critics is automatically a crock o' shit.

You're just another poster downplaying hilary's marathon comments on "Bobby Kennedy's assassination in JUNE. And, fucking hilary wonders what all the big stink is about and so do her apologists.

[dchill]

41. Oddly, Hillary's supporters seem to agree with you...

while Obama's supporters (like me) do not. I was moved by KO's special comment, and found it to be, as usual, right on the mark. The use of any form of the word "assassinate" is deeply troubling and beyond inappropriate in any political discussion. As KO said, our nation's political history is steeped in blood.

[graycem]

44. Luckily some candidates

won't take the opportunity to exploit another's gaffe by making an ad with those remarks. That would just be completely DISTASTEFUL and ever SO REPUBLICAN like.

I'm glad MY candidate is ABOVE that. :)