Now I have heard it all .

[blues90]

This brings the definition to light between what a liberal is and what a now called progressive is.

The 70% of this country that supported the attack on Iraq where there is now roughly 28% leaves 42% that must be the new brain dead in need of a new word to describe themselves ( progressives) who fall for this insane crap that in some grand reading in between the invisible lines now claim Hillary had a hidden message in her answer to a question related to why she is still running and why she feels she has been beaten upon since Iowa as people want her to drop out.

Now somewhere out of the ether she has some hidden message that Obama will or should be assassinated.

I hear the clip played endlessly yesterday and this thought never came to my mind. Is it perhaps because I have not become one of the many who have inserted the egg beater into my ear and scrambled my brain or one of the few who never bought into the bush lie that Iraq had WMD's so we should bomb them.

I cannot believe the people in this sad sorry country are really this dumb yet I have even more proof than before.

I wish I had the recording when months ago while Randi Rhodes while on Air america voiced her fear of the possibility of Obama being murdered "I fear for his life" Randi spouted yet this was not a seed planted months ago of Obama being murdered. I heard her say this because back then I used to listen to her show before she became un-hinged and desperate.

To the people who buy into this insane crap , I don't want your type to be in control of this country or anything else of importance , you are dumbed down and dangerous , the sort who call into radio shows and say things like "I seen them".

Progressive now to me seems to mean propaganda pushers no better than the same tactic used by the bush machine. You people have spent more time and energy beating down Hillary than the republican named McCain.

I don't care what you think about me or say ,you are fools and if you can't see that then I am not one bit surprised.

You allowed two stolen elections and this war because of fear an attack because of lies and WMD's , you allowed to be called the democrat party instead of the democratic party and you bought into Pelosi and Reid and Conyers with impeachment and ending the war and now you buy into this insanity. And now you want to be called progressives as if this clears the guilt of all you have not done as you hope to move on into the future.

I will say as I have many times before. I am not a Hillary or Obama or McCain supporter or a libertarian because I feel none have what it takes to get this country back to america ever again, they are all corporate bought out politicians and americans are the most dumbed down fools I have ever seen in my life. This is where the word sheep-le came from , do you know that?

Now it's all fair is it not? You can take any set of words and twist it into anything you can imagine and it works just like they have be doing ever since the day the TV was first switched on or the first politician opened their mouth .

It's all true because I heard it , someone with a microphone and a purpose and a big paycheck said it, idiots!

Don't bother with your lame attacks and talking points either , they are now so deep in this country one needs to wade through them.

[msongs]

1. sad that we are stuck with either of our war loving imperialist candidates nt

[grasswire]

2. this part is absolutely correct

"To the people who buy into this insane crap , I don't want your type to be in control of this country or anything else of importance , you are dumbed down and dangerous ... Progressive now to me seems to mean propaganda pushers no better than the same tactic used by the bush machine."

I'm thinking the same thing. I've witnessed exactly the same blind hysteria and same ruthless push that the Bushies showed America. I guess we should have known from the attacks of the Progressives on Gore.

[leftrightwingnut]

21. Yes, it is a MSM pile-on if I ever saw one.

It didn't have to be manufactured like the Dean Scream, but is a fan-the-flaming-outrage pile-on, nonetheless.

Just because you share in the outrage doesn't mean you aren't being manipulated.

Personally, I am glad that Obama will get the nomination. But I am deeply saddened by how easily even DU'ers are manipulated.

[polmaven]

33. But it was manufactured.

Mad up out of whole cloth, as the saying goes!

[maddiejoan]

3. K&R

--and thanks for the sanity.

[Beregond2]

4. If you can't see any difference

between a commentator expressing a fear of Obama's being murdered, and a candidate who has no chance of getting the nomination legally, bringing up the fact that candidates often get murdured in June while discussing her reasons for staying in the race, the problem is yours, not "progressives." Context is everything.

[MNDemNY]

5. Your interpretation is asinine.

[blues90]

6. Hillary never said assassintation. You were reading between the lines

As programed to do. Reading things into comments never said not said is out of context and insane.

[DerekJ]

8. "Hillary never said assassintation" .. Hmmm.. Come again?!!

[dorkulon]

9. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was *assassinated* in June"

Look again.

[Bluerthanblue]

11. no- you are clearly not READING the lines at all or listening -either

which does surprise me.

She said the word Assassination - your statement is either a bold faced lie, or total ignorance.


If you don't want people to reply to you- why bother posting?

good luck to you-

peace~

[blues90]

13. She never said it in reference to Obama.

I was listening , this is the part that has been read into the comments she made . If you want to take it completely out of context and run with it then good luck to you . That is as bad as some conspiracy theory everyone always go off about.

She only refered to running until June as did Bill Clinton and RFK and said he was assassinated but she never tied this comment to Obama.

That is where people jump right in thinking they can read minds and if people could read minds then we would not be in the mess we are in , that and falling for the Iraq WMD's where 70% of this country were all fine in doing that.

Not to put down Ted Kennedy but he also ran it all the way to the convention but no one ever brings this up,ever. These are facts that are left out always, if people want truth then lets bring it all out there and quit playing favorites. Hillary left that out out of courtesy.

Leaving out facts is just the same as lying.

[EFerrari]

17. You don't need to be a mind reader to deduce that there are only two

candidates in the race and that Obama is the other one.

And -- why isn't she using the example of Ted Kennedy? That would make her point much better.

[blues90]

36. Just because there are two in the dem race does not mean

She was refering to Obama in her comments.

I don't know why she left out Ted Kennedy . You would have to ask her that. I can read into that too as I did being sarcastic in another reply.

[EFerrari]

37. Well, I hope she isn't afraid of an assasination attempt on herself.

That would be the other choice.

[Steely_Dan]

40. Wait!

Let me read between the lines....You really want Hillary assassinated????

-

[EFerrari]

45. As a former college English teacher, I recommend reading the words

that are there. :)

[Marnieworld]

59. As a former college English teacher

I'm surprised that you made it through the OP and actually understood whatever point he was attempting to make. The run-on sentences? It was just nonsensical. I've only been reading the responses to try and understand the gist.

There are two candidates left in the race. If she wasn't talking about staying in because Obama might get assasinated then she is staying in because she might be? Is she saying that she wants to be the one killed and that is why she is staying in? So confused. I guess I'm just a sheep-le. :eyes: Silly me. I thought that she was trying to tell Super Delegates that he isn't electable because he is a greater target but now I realize that she was just making conversation about things that happen in June. Graduations, summer camp, Flag Day, assasinations. You know? June stuff.

[Iceburg]

61. It comforts me to know you are a "former" college English teacher. /nt

[Marnieworld]

63. I'm not

I was referring to the previous post stating that she had been. Though it pleases me that you find comfort. :hi:

[Steely_Dan]

66. Well...

as a former Philosophy Professor, I find it rather easy to read between the lines of your post. I mean...that's exactly what Obama supporters were doing.

-P

[blues90]

71. You could certainly read it that way .

Now that this insane way people try to read minds or find a pause in a speakers sentence to have some hidden message. Lets go back and play Beatle albums back-ward and see if we missed something there.

[blues90]

52. I would imagine this crosses every presidential candidates mind

[Bluerthanblue]

19. well Blues- who else

is in this race with her?

And you keep bringing up the IWR- .... are you sure you want to use that example in defense of Hillary? She was among that mythological 70% (polls are tools to manipulate people- and justify doing what is against the will of the people quite often)

You are willing to give Hillary the huge benefit of the doubt when you say that she didn't mention Ted's run- "out of courtesy"- Where have you ever offered Obama the same benefit?

Are you not "reading her mind" when you make your statement?



peace~





`

[blues90]

24. I am not reading minds , I am reading words that were said.

[Bluerthanblue]

27. she said she could

have used "Ted" but decided not to out of courtesy?

I listened to the interview- I didn't hear that.

Maybe I didn't listen as closely as you?

peace~

[slinkerwink]

15. she didn't say assassination, she said "assassinated"

[chascarrillo]

35. Literacy is so elitist.

[polmaven]

34. Candidates "often" get murdered in June?

:shrug:

From where did that come?

[dorkulon]

7. You do realize that Hillary voted for the war, right? And Obama was against it?

I'd say that's a good indicator that it's the Clinton folks who were taken in by WMD etc.

[quiet.american]

10. Wow. You're so smart. Thanks for sharing. nt

[sandnsea]

12. Maybe because you don't have all the facts

Maybe because you haven't seen every person in her campaign say, quite gleefully, Hillary should stay in because "anything can happen".

Maybe because you don't know her entire case about "June" is complete bullshit to start with.

Maybe if you had more facts you'd realize there was no reason for her to mention Bobby Kennedy and June AT ALL. So maybe then you'd ask yourself, well why in the world did she do that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6103773&mesg_id=6103773

[blues90]

20. Maybe if you would quit reading into everything .

Out of ignorence when you or anyone else can read minds. I go by the words said not by inserting what I feel brings just more insanity to the public just to support a candidate at the expense of another.

I could easily say you people who do this reading between lines are just as bad and evil as you claim Hillary to be, if not explain the difference? There is none and you damn well know it.

If Obama supporters can't simply support their candidate on their candidates position without all the added crap then you show you fear competition and do not respect the rights of ALL voters.

I suppose all people who do support Hillary are then evil and stupid and all who support Obama are the cream of the crop. Is that your position?

If people would spend their time exposing McCain then there would not be this focus on Hillary to get out. It is not Hillary who is splitting the party , it is the people who bash the hell out of her without let up who split the party.

You would never see this because you are so wrapped up in this spin crap you are blinded to reality.

She only mentioned RFK because he ran until June which is true.

You use talking points like "anything can happen " and read something into this too. Anything does not mean death or murder. Ted Kennedy ran it all the way to the convention so get your facts straight.

The real problem I have is the hypocrisy you exhibit in your remarks.

No one walks on water and now that you people have put Obama as some mythical hero he has a lot more of a difficult job to do. You set him up for failure by doing this.

[Bluerthanblue]

26. wellllllll.......

BLUES90:
"She only refered to running until June as did Bill Clinton and RFK and said he was assassinated but she never tied this comment to Obama.

That is where people jump right in thinking they can read minds and if people could read minds then we would not be in the mess we are in , that and falling for the Iraq WMD's where 70% of this country were all fine in doing that.

Not to put down Ted Kennedy but he also ran it all the way to the convention but no one ever brings this up,ever. These are facts that are left out always, if people want truth then lets bring it all out there and quit playing favorites. Hillary left that out out of courtesy.

Leaving out facts is just the same as lying"

Where did Hillary say that she had thought of using Ted Kennedy's run, but chose not to out of 'courtesy'?

Did she actually say that and I missed it- or are you "reading between the lines"?

Is this hypocritical?

We are all human- all fallible. When we accuse others of being exceptionally 'beneath' us, we better be sure we are standing on solid ground-

peace~

[blues90]

29. I was being sarcastic . I don't use the little logo's .

The fact is Ted did run it to the convention and that was my insertion of a fact.

[Bluerthanblue]

48. oh- yeah....

ok-

Wish I could tell you I believe you, but I don't.

You made a statement about what "Hillary" was supposedly thinking and censoring while condemning others for 'reading between the lines'.

Sorry Blues90- I don't believe you.

Gonna let this rest- We've beaten it to death already.

peace~

[sandnsea]

50. Why don't you answer my simple question

There is nothing comparable between 1968 and 2008. NOTHING.

So why did Hillary choose to use that example?

[blues90]

51. How would I know ? It's like me asking you

Why was Obama compared to RFK when he is nothing like RFK which is also a comparison between 1968 and 2008. I realize 2008 is nothing like 1968, I was 19 in 68 and I see the difference.

But here once again is the hypocrisy brought on by making comparisons.

My OP was not about Obama and I would rather avoid it yet the damn thing can't seem to be talked about without opening all types of cans of worms.

My entire point is and has been when I posted this is simple. I don't make the news or put words in other peoples mouths. The news and media radio began this and I feel that Hillary did not make any reference to Obama at all, she was asked a very simple question and related it to candidates running until June. The part about RFK is 40 years of memory and as soon as RFK is brought up the first thing through word association is assassination. I doubt Hillary is stupid enough or cruel enough to aim her comment toward Obama.

Months ago Randi Rhodes voiced her concern about her fearing for Obama's life because he was black and running for president yet no one ever blinked then. There was the day in one state where the security for Obama were not checking people coming into a rally yet this is not talked about , this is months ago and yet it is Hillary who is to be blamed if something happens to Obama, or Hillary who is somehow responsible because people insist she has this hate thing going.

If there is some freak out there with this intent in mind it is the freak who is the criminal not anyone else.

Every time I hear the name John Lennon I think of the day he was gunned down. It was all horrid times people don't forget.

I cannot understand why on earth a candidate cannot run on their record and experience and platform without all the over blown hype and insanity that the people bring into their own minds .

I read and see Obama supporters comments and I get the impression he can do no wrong. These days everything should be questioned but not blown out of perspective.

I would really like to know who it was that began this idea that Hillary was aiming the idea of assassination of Obama , then you and I would know why this began in the first place, it started somewhere, there is always the first one to speak out to start these things.

[sandnsea]

55. Did I ask about Obama? No

I asked about Hillary and her campaign and comments they have been making. They have been saying she needs to stay in the race since anything can happen. And she doesn't know why people are trying to push her out since we all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June.

What the hell does June 1968 have to do with anything? What does a convention-based nomination process have to do with today?

Since you say you understand there is nothing similar between the two, then why is HILLARY bringing up the assassination?

Why can't you stick to the topic and answer the question?

[blues90]

56. I know what you asked but you asking me to answer for Hillary

I can't answer for Hillary, I have said I don't think what she said has anything to do with Obama and that's all my OP is about.

What do you really want me to answer, do you have a question for me or do you expect me to speak for her?

I have answered this question if you would read the replies here.

I can only guess and say the 40th year since RFK is coming up and he as well as Bill Clinton ran until June , I would personally relate RFK to an assassination as I would JFK or MLK. So she said he was assassinated , he was , it's true and he did run until June. So what, this means she is somehow saying Obama might be assassinated?

If you were run through a word association test and RFK was asked what would your first reaction be?

[dana_b]

14. I understand what you're saying

especially about the non-progressive issues, but I hope you realise that this affected many people on an emotional level too, based on past experiences and either real or perceived potential threats now on Obama.

You say that you're not a Hillary/Obama/libertarian supporter - then what/who do you support? Anyone? We can't be islands and do this ourselves. It takes all of us and pointing fingers does not solve these problems. "non-progressives, idiots, dumb" - this is not helping. If we go around saying "you didn't do anything- it's your fault", then you had better come up with a better solution and let us in on your big ideas.

If you have the solutions, we'd love to be a part of it.

[blues90]

23. I had a candidate , but just for the fact that the media

Picked the candidate for us I should now jump on the band wagon?

I did this many times before and my one vote is mine to use or not use.

I have had enough with the 2006 effect we now see and with Kerry promising the people every vote will be counted yet the next day he bails out.

Now tell me, if for some reason which is very possible that these elections are stolen and Obama or Hillarydid the same thing what will you say then?

Not one of these candidates is a liberal in the true sense of the term.

What I have seen is the way Obama supporters go way out of their way to attack using foul language to anyone who does not see things their way and This HELP's?

[dana_b]

31. No it doesn't help, you're right

again, it's over-emotional on both sides.

Your vote is yours- do with it what you feel- noone should ever feel pressure to vote like other people. My point is that insulting those who do support the "corporate candidates" is not helping. that's all.

I was pissed off after 2000, 2004 too. E-mailed all kinds of people - started doing research- mailed findings - (just like a lot of people here) and it seemed to do no good. If Hillary or Obama steals the election, they deserve our scorn and we should speak up, investigate and hold them accountable - again. The person I had the most respect for was Barbara Boxer. She had a lot of guts by at least saying something. Kerry, meh, he was a waste there. It was so maddening that very few people in D.C. would listen to the people of Ohia, Florida and other places. So what do we do besides contact them, e-mail, talk to each other. Get out on the streets? Ideally, yes, but that didn't work out so well in 2002/2003.

I think we actually agree on a lot of things but I don't know the answers, obviously. Maybe someone here does.

[blues90]

39. One thing above all stands out to me in regard to the candidates

When so many people took the time to go to DC abd protest the Iraq occupation and for impeachment the one who did run for president who did come out to the people was Kucinich. Not one of the other candidates took the time to care and that was obvious.

How much effort would it require for Obama or Hillary or even Kerry or anyone else now out there showing their support to do the same thing?

You see they will support eachother in their DC bubble but when it comes down to the people they do show how little they care and just how disconnected they truly are.

That is precisely why I do not support any of these hopefuls, they have proven over and over again their true side which is their club of politics , damn the people who vote and campaign for them or send them their money.

[dana_b]

47. Kucinich- what's not to love??

the problem with him (or not him - but how people perceive him) is that he is not as suave as Obama nor is he as renowned(sp) as Clinton. We think his progressive ideals are great and there are others in this country who are scared to death of those ideals. He's a "socialist, commie, he's going to take away our $$, too radical". Whatever their reasons. He's not an easy sell and in this day and age people need to be sold on a candidate- like a product. I'll admit that I've bit the Obama apple - this is where you and I disagree.

But John Lennon?? there we definitely agree!! He's my first pop music hero - him and Pete Townshend are magical to me.

[EFerrari]

16. If as she has claimed, her point was that June is not late in the season

THERE WAS NO NEED to bring up the assassination. Again.


There is no need to twist what she said.

There is no need to believe any talking heads -- we have the tape of her sorry @ssed performance AND of her sorrier attempt at an apology.

[blues90]

28. It was not an apology , it was a explanation

Because what she said was taken out of the ether and twisted.

She could have left out the assassination part but it is something over 40 years that is almost a related word when it comes to RFK or JFK or MLK.

Every time I hear one of their names I remember assassination and could easily say it without thinking first. But to tie this to Obama is going way too far.

Obama spent 20 odd years with Wright , even if 20 years times 52 sundays adds up and he did not know this man and this I am supposed to believe? It really does not matter to me personally but come on.

I have known people for 20 years and I know enough to know how they might react , at least enough to know what I can say to them or how they would support me.

[EFerrari]

30. No. It wasn't taken out of the ether and twisted.

Go watch the tape again.

If she can't control her own mouth, how can she run the country.

[blues90]

42. Just where did I say she could run the country?

I said i do not support ANY of these candidates. What I am talking about and all I am talking about is the way words are taken to an extreme. Where people read into a pause as some clue to some deep hidden meaning when no one knows for certain other than the person who is actually doing the talking.

Read what I said again since you want to be rude. All these hopefuls can't control their mouths and none stand out there after all these years and fought to get bush the hell out of office.

There are a few who have had the guts enough to speak out against bush and the corporations and now they are shut out.

One can only assume what Obama's vote aginst the war means , he was not in the senate or under the pressure as the others including Kerry and Edwards however , since Kerry and Edwards support Obama their voting for the war does not matter now. All is forgiven as long as they are on the right team . That is hypocrisy. To apologise after means nothing to me.

[EFerrari]

46. Um, that was my statement.

And there is no "reading into" a list of reasons she gave for staying in the race -- the day of Bill's clinching (which she got wrong) and Bobby's assassination. There was no need for her to bring that up and this isn't the first time.

So, reasonable people have to believe that unless she is not in control of her mouth, she's doing it on purpose. That's not rudeness, that's common sense.

[blues90]

57. Reasonable people?

There is not one thing reasonable about this entire campaign. Everyday there is another twist and turn coming from all the candidates mouths.

The things that stick are the things that people hold onto and make a huge deal about. All three candidates play their games and all are in this for the win.

I am still looking for a reason that would define why anyone in the right mind would want to be president after bush has screwed things up so much. All I can come up with is the power or the fame or some personal goal.

When all is said and done if anything is really for the people then shock will set in.

[grasswire]

65. you forgot about the money

The power to sell off America comes with the WH. The power to issue contracts and permits ($$$) comes with the WH. The power to help certain corporations and individuals ($$$$) comes with the WH.

We've seen that begun big time with Bushco. It can't be lost on any candidate that immense power comes with the ability to grant or deny money making opportunities for people.

[blues90]

68. Yes I did forget the money .

It's one of those things I have so very little of that I tend to forget what it looks like.

[AuntPatsy]

18. We can't handle the truth, we are them and they are us...

[leftrightwingnut]

22. Hi, blues90!

:hi: How are things going? See my post up-thread. I am astonished at how easily DU'ers bought into this.

[CreekDog]

25. you are spinning...this is the new argument, that we are accusing her of causing an assassination

or wanting one.

most posts today and yesterday don't think she asked for that, a very few thought she did, but that's a very few.

but you aren't arguing the rightness of what she said, you are accusing the rest of us of saying she wished for an assassination and then criticizing that crazy statement.

you are spinning, you do this a lot. stop. stop.

i volunteered in the Clinton campaigns of 92 and 96, defending them against all sorts of crap. she deserves some heat for this statement, it's not the end of the world, but it was a bad statement. don't make this into something Obama's supporters did.

[blues90]

32. All day yesterday this is all I heard on every so called

Progressive radio station as well as Obermann, So it is out there right before a friday news dump on purpose. I certainly did not spread the talking points. The news is what most people hear,is it not?

[CreekDog]

38. now you're saying that Olbermann intoned that Hillary wants Obama assassinated?

give me a break, that's not what he said.

let me get this straight, you are here complaining that people are accusing Clinton of saying/meaning what she didn't say or mean.

so you respond with an OP that accusses nearly all of us that complained about her statement of things most of us didn't say or mean?

have you thought this through? :dunce:

[blues90]

43. Tell me , everyone here seems to know all about this.

So how is this if they did not get it from blogs or the media? I have heard show after show on progressive radio spinning the hell out of this. I see it on this forum as well. It is not a few people.

[CreekDog]

44. whom are you accusing of holding that viewpoint?

5% of Obama supporters? 50%? 100%? yes, we've heard those remarks saying "she wanted this to happen to him", that's different than believing those remarks. that's what i'm arguing with you about, you are making it sound as if all us Obama supporters who are angry over the remarks interpret those remarks in the most extreme way. you don't think much of us do you?

you need not answer that last question, you already did.

[EFerrari]

49. We watched the tape. n/t

[blues90]

54. I would like to see how well you would do under the same

conditions Hillary has to function under in front of a camera and knowing all the hate focused talk is aimed at her.
she knows people have been saying get out or drop out since Iowa and she also knows there are voters out there who are and want to have a chance to vote for her. She can't win no matter what she does. If she dropped out then she would be the weak women or the quitter or said to be something else.

I would imagine if she were not winning states as Edwards or Kucinich she would have dropped out but this is not the case. It does take voters in order for her to still be in the race so i suppose they should all be blamed as well. I guess everyone who does support Hillary is a monster as well.

If you are so convinced that she said what she said for the reasons imagined then that's fine with me. I simply feel people are reaching pretty far with claims of this sort and it does not make things look very sane from where I sit.

[Steely_Dan]

41. I wish I had written this!

EXCELLENT POST!

I have been trying to find the words to express what you have expressed so well. Thank you.

-P

[QC]

53. Progressive used to be a fine word, until clueless bourgeois liberals appropriated it. n/t

[lildreamer316]

58. OMG. Is that common sense I smell? n/t

[Swamp Rat]

60. Who said Hillary has a secret message "Obama will or should be assassinated?"

Who?

(a couple of wackos on the Internet do not count).

[blues90]

70. Well lets start with a few on Nova M .

Which is getting a bit over the top on the Hillary remarks. It's one thing to say what her policy may be but it does not come off well when it becomes the topic almost everyday, put in the form of almost right wing Dem bashing.

Then there were the talking heads on the TV which I normally don't watch. This time my wife was so pissed that she had to have me watch to see if she was missing something .

It was there on the TV again today with that Bob Schaeffer pounding Hillary's campaign manager endlessly on face the nation, he would not let up while trying to make what Hillary said into some sort of hidden message.

They make it sound as if Hillary mentioned Obama by name in her comment about RFK being assassinated.

I do realize politics is a dirty business but this time it has become an entire new animal.

If the population would have read into bush and all his comments and body language the way they focus on Hillary then just perhaps we would not be in this damn mess we are in now.

It is a well known fact that 70% of this population was fine with attacking Iraq and bought into 9/11 and the WMD crap and just about every single lie since that time and the crap with the stolen elections in 2000 when most of this horror began. Yet the people just let it go until it hit them.

When I look at the entire picture just from 2000 to the present and all the horrors in between and I don't see a candidate still standing who can even begin to fix this now. Yet here people are reading things into things. What will be the end result is we will be screwed once again. The reason I say this is because the focus is on all of the wrong things. None of the focus is on issues, it is all on who won by what number and polls and contributions. Add into that swill the crap of putting a sentence under a microscope and a bomb goes off and everyones ears will be ringing.

I have no personal care what Hillary goes through or Obama goes through, they will live just fine. What I do have a problem with is how this entire primary has been run and now here we are with really no more information than we had almost 2 years ago. What we have is a pile of spins and this one said that about the other, we have cheap rot gut swill spewed out by highly paid and or ambitious talking heads.

Hell, lets go back to the biblical times and place all three candidates in the lions den, who ever emerges first wins, it would not be much different than what we have got now.

[Swamp Rat]

73. WHO said, "Obama will or should be assassinated?"

I would like to know so I can call the Secret Service and file a complaint.

[blues90]

74. No one said it directly in those words .

This is what was taken out of the comments Hillary said when she made the comment about candidates running until June. She said Bill Clinton did it and then said RFK was assassinated in June. When RFK did run until June.

I don't know who or how this was taken out of her comments but this is what started this idea . All I can get out of this and this is only what has been implied. There were remarks on radio shows saying she should be disqualified from even running for or being the president.

They were not right wing radio shows because i don't listen to them. There were comments made that if Obama is president and she is vice then he will have to always be looking over his shoulder.

I have heard a rumor it came from the Obama camp and today a few days after Hillary made a sort of statement to clairify what she said Obama then said he understands the comment was not directed at him.

I have not heard anyone come right out and say she wanted him assassinated , no one is going to come out and say this directly , it was the implication taken from her saying RFK was assassinated in June.

This is the entire comment ;

May 23, 2008 --

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Obama's camp immediately fired back.

"Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," Obama campaign spokesman said in a statement.

Clinton made her comments at a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board while campaigning in South Dakota, where she complained that, "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa."

Obama, the first African-American to advance so far in the race for the White House, has faced threats, sources have said.

Robert Kennedy, the younger brother of President John F. Kennedy, was gunned down in 1968 after winning the California primary. He had been a hero on the left for his civil rights agenda and calls to end the war in Vietnam.

Barack Obama, who leads Clinton by nearly 200 delegates and has already secured a majority of pledged delegates, has been the subject of threats. Early in the campaign, the Secret Service gave him a security detail at the request of Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Illinois).

Clinton criticized an "urgency" to end the campaign prematurely, saying, "Historically, that makes no sense."

She later issued an apology for the remark.

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson defended the comments to The Post, "She was talking about the length of the race and using the '68 election as an example of how long the races in the past have gone -- she used her husband's race in the same vein."





Did you hear what Hillary said , when she made the comment of some TV news show?

[Swamp Rat]

75. Yes, but I am now more concerned about the fallout, as FOX News just joked about assassinating Obama

No matter Hillary's intent, the damage is done. See the video:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15389/8576/115/522617

[blues90]

76. Pretty short video but I get the point.

Leave it to Fox to pile onto this and take into actually saying the words as they have.

Hillary could have been a bit more cautious in her statement but I don't think now as I did not think then what she did say had anything to do with Obama being assassinated .

These damn fool talking heads will say anything and there are enough nut case freaks out there to take this serious.

If only the media would have let it die and left it alone this would never have got to this point. This is the problem I have when anyone in the entire media bring things like this into their show topics because once they do it spreads like fire and builds into insane crap such as this.

This is why I posted this in the first place because I did not read into Hillary's comments that had anything whatsoever to do with Obama and I felt whom ever took her comments and twisted them into something they were not was not only stupid but dangerous as well , knowing how the media is in this day and age.

From some of the replies I got from this topic it does look like there are people who do feel she made this comment and did it with some goal in mind or intent. I don't buy that.

All this will result in is splitting the party even more but more so putting ideas out there that can end up in a very bad way.

This is why I do wish people would stick to the candidates policy's and leave out all the bashing from each side. Just support the candidate of ones choice and stay with that rather than pit the two against each other through anger or hate , all this does is create hostility.

I do understand why people do this but I never will agree with it.

[salguine]

62. I'm still trying to unravel that second sentence.

[Marnieworld]

64. I know. It's incomprehensible.

I mean why not a few more periods. Would it be so hard?

[blues90]

69. No one else seemed to have a problem reading it .

At least those who took the time to do so.

[anigbrowl]

67. #117: I only worship dead icons! No living political figure is deserving of ME!

[ProSense]

72. "I cannot believe the people in this sad sorry country are really this dumb"? How dumb is that?

Dumb enough to buy Hillary's comparison of the Democratic primary to the Zimbabwe elections? Dumb enough to believe Obama is linked to terrorists?

Or are you referring to Hillary's comments when you say dumb?

[blues90]

77. I am refering to comments made by the media and taken

to an extreme by people who buy into this sort of insane crap.

The CIA or FBI may have code words and hidden messages but I don't think Hillary or Obama are playing that game no matter what people say.