Bill Clinton: Once Fla. and Mich. Are Counted, Neither Candidate Able to Get Majority From Pledged D

[Pirate Smile]

Anyone need a headache? Here you go:

Bill Clinton: Once Fla. and Mich. Are Counted, Neither Candidate Able to Get Majority From Pledged Delegates

ABC News’ Sarah Amos reports: Former President Bill Clinton today continued to reiterate the importance of counting the votes in Florida and Michigan, saying that once they do "neither candidate can get a majority just from pledged delegates.”

Speaking to a crowd of more than 1,000 at Montana State University, Clinton enthusiastically took to the stage and began by asking the crowd, "Aren't you glad Montana matters?"

While the former president has been off the campaign trail for the past few days, Sen. Hillary Clinton has been forceful in her calls for all the votes in the two disputed states to be counted. Today, her husband continued that argument.

"The last three states have all been told they didn’t matter. But don’t you believe it,” he said, “because the Democratic Committee is meeting at the end of this month to resolve the status of Florida and Michigan and they'll have to do it, unless we just totally slip the gasket and want to go into a general election where Sen. McCain gets to run in 50 states and we run in 48. Once that happens, neither candidate can get a majority just from pledged delegates, so there will be a reassessment after you vote on June 3, along with South Dakota and Puerto Rico votes on June 1.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/bill-clinton-on.html

I'd love to hear whatever this fantasy formula is that Bill is talking about where Obama doesn't reach the majority of pledged delegates.

[still_one]

1. I have had it with the Clintons. They have created their legacy alright, and they are trash

He is a person who lies under oath, and is an habitual whore monger

She is a pathological liar, whose whole campaign demonstrates why she isn't qualified to be president

[BlueJac]

2. Hey Bill fuck you......you NAFTA mother fucker

[Exilednight]

3. I'm not sure what the final PD tallies were for Obama from Oregon and Kentucky, but ..........

if he received more than 50 delegates, then he has the most pledged delegates even if you seat FL and MI as is.

[my3boyz]

14. According to msnbc Obama got 45 from Oregon and Kentucky combined. Darn! The Clintions

get on my damn nerves! They are never going to go away! They are like the monster in a horror movie that just won't go away! ugh!

[Cha]

21. Is this the pic that goes with that article?

[RazBerryBeret]

26. hey, maybe it's this one...

[Cha]

43. Fucker doesn't even know what a

pariah he's made of himself.

[RazBerryBeret]

44. i go back and forth...

whether he doesn't know...
or whether he knows and just doesn't give a shit...


hard to say..


:shrug:

[Cha]

45. It is hard to know what's driving them

besides stupidity..you know, the thing that made them stupid.

[tekisui]

29. IF you seated MI and FL, as is, he would have more, but not the majority.

That is why the CLinton's are trying so hard not to give Obama the 55 uncommitted PD's from MI, but give HIllary all of hers.

[Exilednight]

31. How can you have more pledged delegates, but not the majority of pledged delegates? The majority...

is defined by who has the most.

[tekisui]

32. The majority is more than 50% of them. Most is at least one more than

Hillary.

If they seated MI and FL, as is, 55 of MI go to Uncommitted, but are still part of the PD total. And, that 55 would cut Obama off from the majority.

He should get the 55, and he would still hold the majority, which he has now, with the current count.

[Exilednight]

36. So it depends on your definition. I always use the straight forward method .........

if there are ten pennies, you have 3, I have 4, and there are three left over then I have the majority of pennies.

[tekisui]

38. It is the defintion used by Obama when he claimed the majority

of the Pledged Delegates after OR.

A majority, also known as a simple majority in the U.S., is a subset of a group that is more than half of the entire group. This should not be confused with a plurality, which is a subset having the largest number of parts. A plurality is not necessarily a majority, as the largest subset may be less than half of the entire group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority

Having said that. Obama clearly has the majority, and it will not be taken form him by the Rules Committee. Bill is stretching and spinning with this, but is not as dishonest as their popular vote counting,.

[Exilednight]

39. I hate new math. n/t

[AZ Criminal JD]

41. You didn't do too well at math if you don't know what majority means

[Exilednight]

42. Actually, I aced math, but I didn't like it. Probably why I ended up with a BA in Journalism. n/t

[Raine]

46. Hillary is like "Little Ida sitting on a fence

trying to make a dollar out of 99 cents" it's not going to happen no matter how you count it.

[LSparkle]

4. There are still 5 days next week for these SDs to make the meeting moot

and I pray they do the right thing and make the entire
Florida and Michigan mess a NON-ISSUE by coming out for
Obama.

[K Gardner]

20. Yes, and this was exactly what Maddow was talking about among other things.. once the

Clinton Gang adds Fl and MI (if able) they'll push the delegate total back up to exactly where they want it.

[virtualobserver]

5. it doesn't matter which formula they've concocted, what he is saying is utter nonsense

it is completely meaningless......they keep trying to re-express the data in such a way that they seem to have a chance to win

[Pirate Smile]

22. I know. Sometimes I just want to know if they actually have created some bizarre

way to calculate it or if they are simply making it up as they speak.

If you ignore all states from February 6th through March 3rd then Hillary's winning. If you only count Appalachian states, Hillary is winning. etc.

[Skrelnick]

28. The real question is...are the Clintons sadists? Gluttons for punishment?

They seem to thrive on creating scandals for themselves.

[CountAllVotes]

6. go home and play with Hillary would you

just go the hell away. After yesterday, your plot to steal the election backfired, and it backfired badly Bill.

Walk away now while you can fool!

Your wife is a LOSER. Get over it.

[rsmith6621]

7. The Clintons Can Go

......Away....more fricken rhetoric.... more attempts to divide us....more a sign they cling to everything to get their way...


.....WE DON'T NEED RULE BREAKERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.....Go away SHILL&BILL

[thewiseguy]

8. My immediate reaction:

:rofl: :spray:

[natrat]

9. my god what complete frauds-vote rigging is for republicans

[still_one]

10. Bill Clinton is trying to do to the party and the country, what he has done to so many women /nt

[IndianaGreen]

15. He will screw us all!

I regret joining MoveOn to defend his sorry ass!

[still_one]

17. There should be no doubt in anyones mind what the Clinton's are /nt

[dana_b]

11. pssst... Bill.... Puerto Rico isn't a state.

[DAGDA56]

12. I read the article, ABC by way of a blogsite, and I didn't see the sentence...

...that begins, "but in reality..." This may come as a shock to ABC but, just because Bill Clinton says it, that doesn't mean it's true.

[anigbrowl]

13. Someone really needs to show Bill the superdelegate trend line.

Yeah, they might change their minds, but what bargaining chips does Team Clinton have to offer that would make them want to do so?

[Honeycombe8]

16. Obama already has the majority. nt

[my3boyz]

18. They are saying he won't have it if they can get MI and FL added because the magic number will

change. When he got majority they acted like it did not mean anything. Now they are making a big deal about him not being able to reach it? I thought it did not matter.

[NanceGreggs]

19. I'm going to give Bill a pass on this ...

... in light of his valiant efforts to get all of the Florida votes counted in November of 2000.

His passion was palpable, his outrage was unstoppable, his demands for a fair vote count were the stuff legend is made of, his tireless -- oh, sorry, none of those things actually happened. I must have been thinking of someone else.

:blush:

Nevermind.

[slinkerwink]

23. yeah, and he sent in his employees from the Department of Justice

[graycem]

30. So many times during all of this

I have thought just that. How wonderful it would have been of a President to come to the aid of his Vice and his FRIEND by doing anything and everything, putting his political muscle behind our Democratic candidate to in some way at least try to stop the biggest fraud from occurring, but it never came, curiously enough. Then Al had to do the honor of swearing Hillary in. The irony is pretty amazing after reading the Vanity Fair article describing Hillary undermining Gore fundraisers.

And now they have the audacity to compare the two situations. So devoted to democracy.

[Skrelnick]

24. Hey HillBilly Boy...take NAFTA and DOMA and shove it up your ass, jerk

And STFU...your time is over, son. You were never a progressive or a "New Democrat," you were simply a populist, misogynistic scumbag who couldn't keep it in his large-waisted pants.

[DeschutesRiver]

25. God Bill shut up

I am now leaning more toward my theory that Hillary is just a sock puppet of Bill's amibitions for a third term.

[tekisui]

27. Ah, that is why they are trying so hard to seat ONLY Hill's PD's from MI

If they give Obama the 55 Uncommitted PD's, he will have the majority of the PD's, including MI and FL, in the end.

[Orangepeel]

33. If Florida were seated as is, Clinton would net between 25 and 38, depending on where Edwards' go

If Florida's results were seated with no penalty, they would look like this:

Clinton 105
Obama 67
Edwards 13
Unpledged 3
Super 22

Total 210

I don't know about Michigan.

[Skrelnick]

34. Even if the Big Baby gets her net 25 delegates, what does that change? NOTHING. She loses.

Logic and reasoning and sanity escape her and her minions.

[tekisui]

40. That's what he's talking about. Hillary would get 80.

And they want to block Obama from getting ANY there. They want the 55 Uncommitted PD's to just block Obama from reaching a majority.

It's absurd we are even having this conversation.

[jaysunb]

35. Hey Bill, if a bullfrog had a pocket...

he could carry a wallet w/ credit cards in it. That way, he could fly instead of hop over to PR to vote for your wife.

Make sense ??? Yup, just about as much as the crap you're spewing. :evilfrown:

[WeDidIt]

37. I thought Bill was better at math than that

but given his inability to understand the definition of "is", I guess it makes sense that he can't do math.