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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:12 PM
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Time: Hillary's Vice-Presidential Tango

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1809272,00.html

Saturday, May. 24, 2008

There was a lot of back and forth this week after TIME's Karen Tumulty and Mike Weisskopf reported that Bill Clinton was quietly maneuvering behind the scenes to secure a place for his wife on the Democratic ticket. Sure, he was interested, but what about her? My experience from covering Bill and Hillary tells me that when one Clinton gets something in his or her head, the other usually isn't very far behind. But whether or not you think that rule applies in this case, the whole thing did not leave me wondering whether the Clintons were now eyeing the Naval Observatory, where vice presidents live in Washington. Instead, I wondered about the wisdom of the way they had started down this Veepstakes road.


Bill and Hillary Clinton campaign in April.
Joe Raedle / Getty

Let's say you were an also-ran with 1,750-plus delegates on Memorial Day weekend, fated to come in second, but intrigued by the second spot. You would feel entirely justified in making the ask. But more than anything else, you'd face a choice: do you make a big push now, argue that you deserve consideration, make the appeal right at the start — the way Jesse Jackson did it to Michael Dukakis after the last primary in 1988?

Or do you go a different route, take a deep breath, lay low for a while, watch your rivals pick up barnacles and make mistakes, take the silent, high road and then emerge as the last person standing? Why isn't that approach smarter? After all, there is no huge rush. The campaign is exhausting, feelings get bruised — and it makes sense to give everyone involved in this race, both winners and losers — a little timeout before we ask them to make any really important decisions, like, say, choosing a vice president. So why not just wait on that conversation? In 2004, John Kerry was in no hurry to make the decision — and didn't like the way some candidates pressed their case. What does a force-your-way-on-to-the-ticket approach get you?

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It's worth recalling that the Clintons tried something similar — though far more muted — about this time four years ago. People who claimed to be operating on behalf of a then-first term Senator Clinton sent quiet feelers to the John Kerry camp in the summer of 2004, hinting that she should, at least, be considered for the number two spot. How strong was this suggestion? One person who watched it unfold likened it to a "whisper" that never amounted to "pressure," but was an unmistakable pass nonetheless.

There is no doubt, at least, that Kerry gave Clinton a look. Bob Shrum, Kerry's all-around strategist in that cycle, wrote about a brief consideration of Clinton in his book but said later that the Kerry Team discarded the idea because her negatives were too high to bear.

Did the too-gentle 2004 approach teach the Clintons to be more aggressive? Maybe. That year, someone else, namely John Edwards, was chosen (and, once more, he is not that far from center stage this campaign season.) Anyway, given what happened before, and given the stakes this time, all that made me wonder if the Clintons decided to try a different strategy this time around. If they intend to succeed, I'm betting the Clintons will soon dial back their push and take the quieter, high road approach — if they haven't already.

FULL story at link.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:14 PM
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1. she took care of any chance at VP with her comments yesterday
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dubeskin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:17 PM
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3. Agreed
If she had any hopes, they died yesterday.

We can rest assured that the chance of there being an Obama/Clinton ticket come November is dead.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:21 PM
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4. Nonsense
But that said...why would she want the job? What a waste of her abilities and talents.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:09 PM
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14. Dick Cheney managed to keep himself busy.
Talk about 'dog in the manger'.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:18 PM
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15. But then Bush was "president"
If Obama becomes president I don't imagine him as so hapless and helpless. Do you?

What's with the "dog in a manger" comment?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:25 PM
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8. Exactly! President Obama will need a food taster.
I don't want the Clintons back, scheming and maneuvering to derail Obama's agenda.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:31 PM
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10. Yeah, that's the perk that came from hilary's
unpardonable "gaffe"...she burned herself right out of anymore VP thoughts or talk on an Obama ticket.

'Course she could always wade through more sewage to the other camp in her stratesphere.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:17 PM
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2. After yesterday
Not going to happen.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:23 PM
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5. "Ready if OBAMA gets Killed" Is her slogan
Her VP thingy went kablooey yesterday
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:23 PM
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6. What happened yesterday put a kibosh on that.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:24 PM
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7. Yo, Hillary... Astor Piazzolla has left the building.
:D
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:27 PM
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9. i was not crazy about the idea of hillary
being VP, but i could have lived with it had it been obama's choice and if that's what we dems needed to win the presidency. since hillary's gaffe yesterday, i don't see any way that it can happen.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:34 PM
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11. But, thankfully, Obama is not a win at all costs..
end justify the means kinda guy. That's why I like him.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:39 PM
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12. hubby also said he felt that obama
would rather lose the election than have hillary on the ticket.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:04 PM
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13. There ya go!
:toast: to your hubby, sweets!
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