Obama is not the overwhelming favorite of the Democratic party.

[NJSecularist]

It would be nice if the netroots stopped trying to make the case that he is.

I keep hearing the refrain from the Obamites that "Obama has won the primary". The only way he will win the primary is through back room superdelegate deals.

The sooner the Obamites realize this, the better off we all will be.

This can and should go to the convention. The schoolyard bully tactics and the intentional misrepresentation of the facts of this primary campaign by Obama's surrogates and supporters impress no one.

When Obama wins 2025 pledged delegates, only then will Hillary leave the race. Until then, Hillary and the majority of Democrats who have voted for her will welcome Hillary to stay in the race.

[saltpoint]

1. Nuh-uh.

[roguevalley]

116. majority? I suppose you have a magic abacas that 'counted'

the vote in caucus states? It really bothers you in a school girl kind of way that your candidate isn't the 'best girl' in school here doesn't it. She isn't. She never has been. Obama is beating her in every metric you can put out. Get over it. The black guy beats the 'best' girl.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. I'll ask again, WHY did you ever support Obama?

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[Catherina]

21. He never did. Not really. n/t

[Forkboy]

23. It's called being full of shit.

[polichick]

3. It's pretty obvious that the "schoolyard bully" is Hillary Clinton...

...who attempts to move the goalposts and change the rules to suit her.

[GarbagemanLB]

4. Also LOL @ you using 2025. Haven't caught up with all the Hillbot talking points yet?

[Frank Booth]

94. I wasn't going to kick this piece of shit thread, but your post made me laugh out loud so I had to.

The poster must be kicking himself right now that he used the 2025 number. Sitting in his basement yelling at himself over forgetting to mindlessly parrot the delusional HRC talking point.

:toast:

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[MethuenProgressive]

6. Clinton has over 18 million votes. That's not too shabby for someone "all Democrats hate"

..as some wanker on DU said tiday.

[Hawkeye-X]

11. Yes, but Obama retains over 200 delegates lead

And that what MATTERS here, no matter how much you wanna spin it.

Hawkeye-X

[Saturday]

25. Supers can change their minds. nt

[99th_Monkey]

30. and Pigs Can Fly

in case you haven't notice the fall-out from RFK-Gate, esp. Jimmy Carter's message to voters about
Supers poised to weigh in for Obama after June 3.

[ruby slippers]

100. this is bad but I can't help it...I saw your reply and I immediately thought

of the tornado yesterday hitting the pig farm. I'm amazed and happy that no one there was killed, but the image of flying pigs immediately went into my mind.

Sorry, but my comment had to happen....I couldn't resist any longer.

[dionysus]

105. and we can go hang out with pinnochio in a giant shoe, too, don't mean it will happen...

:)

[Blondiegrrl]

115. Obviously. Just look at all the Clinton SDs who have defected to Obama.

:evilgrin:

[Tellurian]

39. Link please..

[Hawkeye-X]

54. Very well.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com

BTW, it's almost 200 delegate lead, not over 200. Just.

Enjoy.

Hawkeye-X

[billyoc]

67. There's a big pink stain in your sig. You might want to clean it.

[NJSecularist]

12. With the way the netroots and Obama Underground talks about Hillary

You would think she won as many votes as a flatliner like Chris Dodd...

[Hawkeye-X]

17. Keep calling it Obama Underground

It just proves your delusion.

[NJSecularist]

27. The truth hurts. n/t

[Hawkeye-X]

55. Enjoy your final 2 weeks here..

[billyoc]

62. Thinking that "Obama Underground" is an insult proves their delusion. nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

53. Why are you still here if you hate this place so much? eom

[gmudem]

91. Dodd actually has principles unlike Hillary

He dropped out when he realized he couldn't win. Also he actually stands up for Americans and not the DLC.

Please don't compare Hillary to Dodd.

[Gore1FL]

114. ultimately they all achieved the same end nt

[dchill]

37. So Clinton CAN count caucus voters...

and Obama CAN'T?

That's fair.

[hisownpetard]

42. I'm sorry - what day of the week is "tiday"? Does it come between Friday & Satiday?

(Talk about 'wankers'...)

[Saturday]

8. BO supporters on DU like to dismiss 18 million Democratic

voters that voted for Hillary and pretend they do not exist but we are here. Go Hillary!

ETC corrected to 18

[Hawkeye-X]

16. See my reply above yours. Obama continues to retain a 200 pledged delegate lead

And you'll get the same answer here.

And that what MATTERS here, no matter how much you wanna spin it.

Hawkeye-X

[roguevalley]

117. 17,995,550 will vote for the nominee in November. the rest of you will

do what you want but the outcome will be the same. don't try and speak for anyone but yourself. its a losing proposition unless you personally called all 17,995,550 and asked them how they will vote.

[DerekJ]

9. MODS BIAS: NJS seems to get a lot more than 3 threads/day. Either that or his threads are so

stupid they stand out.

[Triana]

10. Ignore n/t

[K Gardner]

13. More SPAM from HillaryClintonForum.net. Pathetic.

[stray cat]

14. Who is?

I don't see anyone more likely - certainly Hillary can't make the claim. Al Gore maybe but he doesn't have any votes at all.

[NJSecularist]

20. Neither candidate is.

It's a 50/50 tie. Which is why this should go to the convention.

[Upton]

28. Obama is

by the only measure that matters...delegates 1973-1779.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/michigan-36.html

[NJSecularist]

29. No, actually he isn't the overwhelming favorite.

No matter what the netroots and the Obama-loving MSM.

[Upton]

32. It sure isn't a 50/50 tie

despite your assertions, numbers don't lie and your candidate is all but finished. I should think the week after the June 3rd primaries, we will finally see the end of her disgraceful campaign.

[NJSecularist]

40. It is a 50/50 tie.

Both candidates have an equal chance of winning at the convention. Despite what the netroots says.

[Gore1FL]

65. if you make horrific rounding errors that would flunk you out of the third grade

it is a 50/50 tie.

But if you do the math correctly, it is a 0.52585287846481876332622601279318 to 0.47414712153518123667377398720682 non-tie

Or going by pledged delegates alone, it is a 0.52431323018629617934954215345753 to 0.4734764761604041679823176507736 non-tie

[roguevalley]

118. no they don't have an equal chance. Hillary will not win. repeat that.

[Gore1FL]

52. 50/50?

proof we need more funding for education so that people can learn math.

Pi = 3 in your universe too, right?

[ossman]

15. Havent the Hillary psychos disrupted EVERY state convention so far? Check the utoob NJS

[AtomicKitten]

18. if they were the majority she would be winning - but she is not

[Johnny__Motown]

19. Obama HAS won the primary. His lead is insurmountable.

[NJSecularist]

22. He has won nothing.

[Gore1FL]

57. He has locked over 50% of the Pledged delegates

He has more SD's.

He needs less than 18% of the remaining delegates to go over 2025.

The difference between now, the night he won in WI, and 5 months from now, is how obviously over it has been for Clinton in this nomination process. But make no mistake. It was over after WI.

[polmaven]

75. And when he gets that 18%

he will have won the nomination. He has, to date, won nothing.

[Gore1FL]

88. He has won quite a bit,actually

the nomination process is not measured in a quantum step from nothing to everything.

[WonderGrunion]

101. And Hillary

has won less than he has. That would make her less than nothing by your way of reckoning.

[polmaven]

121. Please point out to me

where I said that HE is nothing. I said that he has WON nothing. Neither has she WON anything.

[stray cat]

24. Hillary and Bill favor President McCain

[loveable liberal]

26. Bitter is not better; turn that frown upside down!

Enough of the Nepotism. More than two families should have a chance at running this country for sh#$ sake.

[dionysus]

106. hear hear!!

:toast:

[anonymous171]

31. Have you ever heard of pledged delegates?

[NJSecularist]

33. Yes, and Obama will not win 2026 of them.

So he's not entitled to the nomination.

[quaker bill]

50. Poor grades in math?

No one is entitled to the nomination. An candidate always has to win it. Under the process established, they do this by gaining the support of the majority of convention delegates. As the total you call out implies, you know that some of the delegates are "pledged" and some are "super". Under the current math, the total "super" and "pledged" delegates required is 2026. Obama will cross this line by June 4 or 5 at the lastest, at which point, he will be the "presumptive nominee".

This then always "goes to the convention" for ratification by vote. There is no precedent that I am aware of for the "presumptive nominee" losing that vote. It could happen in theory. However, it is more likely that he will be abducted by space aliens, which all considered is still quite unlikely.

Hillary is decidedly not 44.

[Gore1FL]

60. So by your standards

To win the nomination, a candidate must win 62.25% of the pledged delegates to get the nomination?

I guess you don;t think the Democrats should run anyone then, and just give it to McCain.

[WonderGrunion]

102. And Hillary

will win less than he has making her less entitled to the nomination than him by your way of reckoning.

[dchill]

34. Uh... Neither is what's-her-name.

:shrug:

[swishyfeet]

35. Idiotic post of the day

I'm sure the netroots really care about what you'd like.
Back room deals? No. He has an insurmountable lead in PD's.
Sooner you realize it, the better off the Democratic party will be.
Obama has been nothing but civil to Clinton. Period.
The majority of Democrats have NOT voted for her.

That's 0 for 5 today Jersey. Just go away. You contribute NOTHING!!

[murielm99]

49. Back room deals? How do you suppose Obama got where

he is? Emil Jones is very powerful in the Illinois Senate. He does not like anyone to challenge his supremacy. He sensed that Obama would be a challenge, so he became Obama's kingmaker.

Things worked out just right for Emil. Our republican senator, Fitzgerald, was retiring. Fitzgerald was a conservative, but not enough of a neocon for the bush crowd. They froze him out. Emil knew how to plan. He created a legend and a legacy for Obama, and got him out of the way by getting him into the Senate.

You don't mess with Illinois Democrats. They will steamroll you every time. Obama has run a dirty campaign, with an assist from the media. I believe the media will change its tune if Obama is the nominee. They will try to smear him as being a corrupt Chicago machine politician. They will get it wrong. He is a Springfield politician, and there is a difference. I don't think he is corrupt, but that does not mean I like him. He is not Presidential material, and he does not walk on water. I think he will lose the general.

[roguevalley]

119. TIN FOIL TIME! BACK ROOM DEALS! HE'S UNFIT AND HE

WALKS ON WATER! BELAY THAT! HE DOESN'T WALK ON WATER! Think what you want. In the end, reality will triumph and he will win. This dual world, where some of us live in reality and the rest MAKE their own reality, it sounds familiar ...

[Joe the Revelator]

36. "Back room superdelegate deals"......

Wasn't this the only thing Hillary had to hope for 2 months ago?

Now she doesn't even have that.

[Swamp Rat]

38. Bzzzt!

Hillary's campaign ist Kaput.

[hfojvt]

48. Deutsch? Ach? Das ist sehr verboten!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2749937#2749985

[hfojvt]

41. overwhelming or not, he is the likely nominee

and has been since the Wisconsin primary way way back on February 19th when, in spite of this fact, his opponent decided to go very negative, thinking that if she blew out Obama's candle, her own would shine more brightly.

Yeah, it's gonna take superdelegates to make him the nominee, but it's nice that they would agree with the will of the voters as decided by the pledged delegates - unlike the 100 or so superdelegates who endorsed Hillary before anybody else had even voted.

My signature quote shows that the Tsarina herself did not expect either Michigan nor Florida nor any state after Feb. 5th to count except to compleat her coronation.

[hokies4ever]

43. Haha! You accidentally said 2025 delegates!

It must be hard keeping up with the victory conditions when the goal posts are constantly being moved. :rofl:

[Cheap_Trick]

44. I'm surprised that they can even see to move those goalposts

what with their heads up their asses and all.....

:rofl:

They're in desperate need of a cranial/rectal dislocation.

[LWolf]

45. I want it to go to the convention.

Ideally, we'd end up with a candidate that is neither Clinton nor Obama; a candidate that can unify the party, as these two have failed to do.

If we end up with one of them, and I don't care which one, having to fight for it at the convention would be a public reminder that neither has a mandate from a significant majority of Democrats. Both will need to make adjustments to bring the party together.

Hopefully, some of those adjustments would be hammered out at the convention.

[scarletwoman]

61. I'm sorry, but that just seems totally insane. You want ALL the votes from ALL the primaries &

caucuses just simply thrown away so the party insiders can just pick someone else altogether?!?! Have you thought this through?

This would utterly shatter the Democratic party into a billion pieces. Say hello to president McCain.

No, this simply CAN'T go to the convention. This needs to get settled immediately after the June 3 primaries. I've hardly ever gotten to vote for the candidate I've really wanted in all the presidential elections I've voted in since 1972 -- the one year I DID get to vote for the candidate I really wanted. But it never stopped me from voting for the Dem, no matter who.

Why are so many people being such whiners about it this time? It's how it's ALWAYS worked. You suck it up and do the right thing, which is get behind the Dem nominee and try to beat the Republican nominee. At least this time around we're seeing a lot of new blood coming into the Democratic party, we can actually afford to get a little excited.

But, unless you're bent on destroying the Democratic party, and destroying our nominee's chances of winning the GE, there's just no way that letting this drag on until August -- much LESS voiding every single primary election vote?!?! -- is anything but bad.

I want the Democratic party to evolve, and I think it can be done. It does not need to be completely destroyed, it just needs to metamorphosize.

sw

[LWolf]

78. If I thought the primaries had been clean, and democratic,

I wouldn't want to override the choice of the people. Democracy in action can be messy, and will not always produce the best result. So be it.

They weren't clean or democratic, though.

There is nothing democratic about the disenfranchisement that happened in Florida and Michigan.

There is nothing democratic about allowing 4 states out of 50 narrow the field of 8 down to 2 for the other 44 states. There were exactly 2 primaries and 2 caucuses before everyone else dropped out. Those 4 states' votes counted more than the other 44. Florida and Michigan didn't count at all.

There was nothing democratic about the debates, or about any media coverate, either. If you want to claim a democratic mandate for any candidate, then the media had better be giving all candidates equal time, and equally neutral coverage. That was obviously not the case.

I'll tell you what I'm bent on. I'm bent on battling the shift of the Democratic Party from the party of labor, of the people, to the party of neoliberals, to my last breath. That's the metamorphosis that is currently under way, and that metamorphosis is throwing old principles under the bus and adopting the "new" principles of neoliberalism. My battle includes opposing the nomination of a neoliberal to run for any office.

Therefore, I will welcome the primaries going to the convention. It's the only chance, albeit a slim one, of nominating a candidate that is not a neoliberal. Or of influencing the candidate, and the platform, to move away from neoliberalism.

I think there are a couple of reasons why people are taking a stand this time around.

First, after 7 years of bush, the idea of nominating a neoliberal that will not undo all the damage he did is nauseating. Clinton supporters are either neoliberals themselves, or recognize that, appalling as this is, her record on issues is LESS neoliberal than Obama, his non-dlc status not withstanding. Obama supporters either don't see it, don't care, or think that not being a member of the dlc makes him somehow more liberal/progressive than Clinton, regardless of his dlc friendly platform.

Secondly, race and gender are hot-buttons. Traditionally, the Democratic Party has been the party for minorities, for feminists, and for other groups disenfranchised by tptb. By running both a black man and a woman in the same primary, people who recognized that there were few significant policy differences between the two had to choose between favoring race over gender, or gender over race. That doesn't make sense, but that's sure as hell how the primary wars have played out. Those who chose sides for those reasons are now firmly committed to opposing the other side.

Finally, too many people, after the rest dropped out, chose a side, not because they thought that candidate was great, but to oppose the other side. That's not a strong base of true support. If you are supporting Obama because you oppose Clinton, you're less likely to get on board in the GE, and vice versa. This reality is apparent when you look at the hysterical hate spewed between the two camps.

Annointing Obama today will not unify the party or heal that divide. I don't see that happening in this election cycle. It also would allow Obama to assume a mandate and hold on to his neoliberal platform. I want COMPROMISE at the convention. It won't happen if one candidate has already got a lock on the nomination.

[scarletwoman]

84. Fine. Throw the entire Democratic party in disarray, and let McCain win.

Personally, I don't see that as a very good method of moving the party left when it's all in pieces. Seems to me that start with what you've got and build on it, changing its shape as you go.

You want to give a free ride to McCain up until August -- less than 3 months away from the general election -- while we try to totally reorganize our party. It's not realistic. It's like watching the enemy hordes galloping over the hills toward your castle, and arguing about the seating protocol in the banquet hall instead of manning the battlements.

The primaries have sucked for many elections, it's nothing new. The time to change how they work is between elections -- not during an election battle! And we are not going to get a non-neoliberal candidate to magically appear in August.

What we've got is what we've got, and if you care at all about how much suffering the rest of world will be subject to under "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" McCain, you will gird your progressive loins for THAT fight, the sooner the better.

sw

[LWolf]

93. The party is already in disarray, if you hadn't noticed.

Going into the convention without a nominee is a symptom of that disarray, not the cause.

I also don't see that legitimizing the party shift to the right by nominating and electing neoliberals will ever move the party to the left.

I haven't noticed Democratic voters putting cleaning up primaries as a priority between elections. I haven't noticed most voters, and especially most Democrats in Congress, fighting to clean up the problems with vote counts and election fraud between elections, either. A few people in Congress, and a small core of voters, myself among them, have. Not enough to make a difference.

I believe McCain will win with either HRC or Obama. I believe that the only way to unify Democrats behind the nominee and win in November is to go to the convention and come to consensus there, since voters haven't done so.

I don't "want to give McCain a free ride." Democratic voters have done so by allowing those 4 states to narrow the field down to two divisive candidates, neither of whom is able to unify the party.

Caring about the rest of the world's suffering includes refusing to nominate a hawk. Both Clinton and Obama are hawks. They may not rush out to bomb Iran immediately, but they sure as hell won't call a halt to the bogus "war on terror," and they will both continue a military presence, and an effort to dictate policy in the mideast with that presence.

I care about that, and I care that the current march to empire and arrogant unilateral military action in other nations does not continue under a Democratic administration.

[WonderGrunion]

103. I'm tired of this talking point.

When someone becomes a felon by breaking the rules of our society as written in our code of laws. they lose their right to vote. Michigan and Florida did knowingly violate the rules of the election process and like any other felon lost their right to representation. Once their sentence (this election cycle) is finished. those rights may be reinstated at a later date. But to argue that Michigan and Florida didn't get what was coming to them is just patently absurd.

[LWolf]

112. I'm tired of most of the talking points used in this primary cycle.

That doesn't mean that they are going away.

The voters of Michigan and Florida didn't set the primary date.

They were screwed by their state party.

I don't advocate any solution for Michigan and Florida at this point; there is no legitimate solution. It's too late.

This issue is just one of the many I already listed that make this primary broken beyond legitimizing. It's not the only issue.

From my perspective.

[Name removed]

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[FredScuttle]

47. He doesn't have to be the "overwhelming" favorite

he just has to finish with more delegates than Hillary, which he will do. This isn't a BCS poll....delegate count is the only metric that counts and Obama has already clinched the majority of pledged delegates and will soon pick up the magic number of SDs to seal the deal.

[Gore1FL]

51. "The only way he will win the primary is through back room superdelegate deals. "

That is like saying the only way you can win the Indy 500 is by buying tires.

[anonymous171]

59. ..

:spray:

[smiley_glad_hands]

56. She's already lost. eom

[Vinca]

58. Hillary isn't the overwhelming favorite, either.

That's why we hold elections and not coronations.

[LucyParsons]

63. "back room superdelegate deals" - hahahahahahaha!

That was Hillary's plan!!!

Ah, the IRONY. Your lack of ability to recognize irony reminds me of Republicans.

[dsomuah]

64. Perhaps not the overwhelming favorite but ...

He is the favorite.

He has gotten more votes than any other candidate. He has won more states than any other candidate (including a set of swing states which have more electoral votes, than Florida and Ohio), and of course there that irritating little thing about the delegates.

Obama has more support within the democratic party than John McCain did before he became the presumptive nominee, and the fact that the old school democrats can't accept him is mind boggling to me. Are y'all trying to say that the republican party's social conservatives are more open minded than we are?

I don't have a problem with people who want Hillary to stay in the race. I have a problem with people who have the nerve to imply that Obama is somehow stealing this election. That's dishonest and inflamatory. I also have a problem with people who say to me "Vote for Hillary so we have the best chance of winning in November" but who turn around and say "If Obama wins I'm going to vote for McCain" that's hypocritical.

[JFN1]

66. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The money Obama has raised, and the cash Clinton has loaned to her campaign, sure tell a different story than you...

[Perry Logan]

68. On the contrary--the more people see of Obama, the less they like him.

[smiley_glad_hands]

73. You are not very bright are you? eom

[Perry Logan]

69. Not to mention his charming wife.

[Perry Logan]

70. Not to mention his wanky fans!

[Perry Logan]

71. Not to mention his past associates--phew!

[dionysus]

107. your shtick is stale perry... it sounds... well.... quite bitter of course.

[saltpoint]

72. In saying so you are suggesting, what -- that he does not have

a majority of delegates?

He does.

Or that he does not enjoy considerable support in national polling?

He does. He leads Clinton. He's leading McCain AND Clinton in Ohio, for example. And Virginia.

Or that he is obliged to win an "overwhelming" percentage of support to meet your personal qualifications?

That is untrue.

Would one be terribly off-base in guessing the point of your post was to just take a slam on the Democratic frontrunner and likely nominee?

[NJSecularist]

74. He is not leading McCain or Clinton in Ohio.

Try again.

[Blondbostonian]

76. Liar

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b03c08ab-30b9-463d-8be2-5cb118e05b74

Try again

[saltpoint]

77. Here's that try:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/05/23/surveyusa_obama_beats_mccain_in_ohio.html

[NJSecularist]

79. 52% Democratic, 28% Republican

And you call that a legit poll?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[saltpoint]

96. Consult the polling company on their methodologies if you wish,

but the polling result is clear.

Obama has won the nomination.

Clinton has lost it. :hi: :dem:

[book_worm]

80. he'll clinch the 2025 within a couple of weeks.

[ProSense]

81. Hillary lost, and she should now focus on her future

If you respond to this post, accept my follow-up response in advance: Hillary lost, and she should now focus on her future.

[LordJFT]

82. and JFK wasn't the overwhelming favorite of the American people

what's your point?

[roseBudd]

83. Clinton is not the overwhelming favorite of the voters, her unfavorability index just

keeps rising. The schoolyard bully tactics and the intentional misrepresentation of the facts regarding MI & FL and caucus states of this primary campaign by Clinton's surrogates and supporters impress no one.

The rules are for everyone. Don't like them, change them for next time.

[ericgtr]

85. Hillary is the one with the back room deals LOL are fucking kidding me?

Jesus Christ what is wrong with some of you people. After this is all over are you just going to run around bitching at everyone else because you've lost. Time to get the hell over it and quit acting like a child.

[grantcart]

86. Obama now polling better in NY than Hillary against McCain

[MrsT]

87. "The only way he will win the primary is through back room superdelegate deals."

And how will Sen. Clinton win? I know you strive to be one of the most dishonest and disruptive posters on du, but surely even you can see that they BOTH need superdelegates now. There is no reason to think one will be making a back room deal while the other won't.

And you accusing anyone of "intentional misrepresentation of the facts" makes me :rofl:

[NJSecularist]

89. I realize that.

I never said otherwise.

BTW, when are you going to join Team Obama? Good grief, your devil's advocate positions are getting quite pathetic. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[madrchsod]

90. .........he`s going to lead the party to disaster..........

[WonderGrunion]

104. Or....

the White House. My scenario is more likely than yours.

[madrchsod]

111. just kidding

sometimes i feel like a nut....

[apocalypsehow]

92. He won, she lost. The sooner you get over it the sooner you can get back to posting on your

preferred website.

[FlyingSquirrel]

95. You're absolutely right.

Actually I just said that so you'd click on it and I could tell you this:

Obama has won the primary.

:P

[hendo]

97. Obama won the majority of the pledged delegates.

If Hillary is pissed off cause the system didn't work in her favor then she should have bowed out, changed the system and ran the next time.

[ruby slippers]

98. 1 + 1 = 2, 2 + 2 = 4, 4 + 4 = 8, etc. Maybe Hillary supporters can't add?

The Superdelegates get that 1 - 1 = 0 so they will get her out of it soon...real soon. The party is imploding with her tactics....

School is out for today, kids...

[Auntie Bush]

99. You tell em NJS!

The primary will be over when she says it's over or when the SD say so. The people aren't in control anymore. It's up to the SD in a close race and that's the job they were assigned to do by law. Why else are there any such thing as SD? With all the hatred of Hillary I can see them abandoning her out of fear of retribution and their loss of jobs. That doesn't mean they honestly believe Obama can make a better CiC. It will mean they won't be flamed. I think many are just plain scared of the Obama supporters and it isn't worth the trouble. I don't see how any real honest politician could possibly think Obama...a neophyte with no foreign policy experience... could do a better job than Hillary or have a better chance to beat McCain. Also........remember some of those good old boys on C Hill couldn't stand the thoughts of a female CiC telling the military brass what to do or how to do it. Think about it! Can you just imagine? can you just picture that scene? If you don't think that's true...then I have a bridge...............

Misogamy is far worse than you ever dreamed...just like racism. Neither one can be ignored. However, I think a black man has a better chance of being CiC than a white woman (and that's not a racist comment.) Misogamy can be insidious...it doesn't have to be overt...like Chris Matthews comments... but it is just having no respect or stomach of a woman in charge. Too many men to this day don't feel comfortable having a female boss. Women still have a looooong way to go. Unfortunately, I've lost hope of ever seeing the day but, I still have hopes my daughter will as Hillary has broken the ice if not the glass.

[stevietheman]

108. Enough. n/t

n/t

[kwenu]

109. He is the nominee. People really need to take the stick out of their asses and get with the program.

There are no other options for you other than McCain...and Bob Barr.

[Danger Mouse]

110. He's going to win. Sorry.

[casus belli]

113. So, by your logic, you'll shut up next week when it's clinched?

Or should we not hold our breath and expect a new goal line right around the time he reaches 2025?

[salguine]

120. Clinton is not going to be Democratic nominee.

It would be nice if the deluded spluttering fanatics in her camp stopped trying to make the case that she is.

I keep hearing the refrain from the Clintonistas that "Hillary has won the primary". The only way she will win the primary is through back room superdelegate deals.

The sooner the Clintonistas realize this, the better off we all will be.

This should not go to the convention. The schoolyard bully tactics and the intentional misrepresentation of the facts of this primary campaign by Clinton's surrogates and supporters impress no one.

Hillary won't leave the race until the party is in ruins. Until then, Hillary will continue to inspire anger and hatred among people who used to respect her, which will only be mollified when she and Bill finally just go the fuck away.

[MadHound]

122. Let's see, he's gotten the most pledged delegates, the most super delegates, and the popular vote

Oh, I get it, another Hillary supporter trying to cook up another way to move the goalposts:eyes:

You do realize that Hillary can't win without the supers either, right? Your desire for this to go to the convention simply indicates a couple of things, you want the will of the majority of Democratic voters overturned, and you really want to sow discord and hate all the way up to the convention, thus negating the chances of the Democratic nominee to win the GE and allow four years of McCain. Are you sure you're really a Democrat?