Question: Will there be MORE or LESS dissention here about the Vice Presidential choice?

[Radio_Lady]

Please assume that Sen. Clinton is NOT the choice.

I'm really troubled by that choice going on and on for weeks and weeks, even if the June 3rd date is Hillary Clinton makes a final concession speech.

(Did anyone read President Carter's prediction this morning in the news?)

[anigbrowl]

1. Much less.

[Radio_Lady]

5. I hope so.

Thanks.

[gateley]

2. Good question. We're on a roll... nt

[saltpoint]

3. Much less. I think it would be helpful if Senator Obama did not select

Sen. Clinton.

[Radio_Lady]

15. I understand. I purposely took her out of the equation in my OP.

Thanks for your comments.

[saltpoint]

34. Attempting to acknowledge all the options, I included her as a

choice I'd rather see him not make, which isn't to say that I won't support the ticket if he does.

You're welcome.

[davidinalameda]

4. if it's Clinton

it will get way uglier here

if not, you'll see the Garden of Eden

[Radio_Lady]

11. The Garden of Eden? What about that half-eaten apple? And the snake?

:loveya:

[davidinalameda]

49. before the half-eaten apple

and I'm sure someone will say that my comment is sexist

[Andy823]

6. What did Carter say?

Well as far as I am concerned there should be less talk. It's obvious that what she said Friday has taken care of any chance she will get the VP slot, and if she does, then we are screwed big time come November!

[Radio_Lady]

8. Carter predicts she'll concede in early June. Here's the 12-hour old link at comcast.net:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080525/POLITICS-USA-POLITICS-CARTER-DC/

Sorry, for some reason the site will not let me pull in any text. Basically, he said she will leave the race after the last primary June 3rd, and superdelegates will fall in line for Obama.

[billyoc]

13. Carter sees superdelegates prompting Clinton to quit

LONDON — Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said on Sunday he expects Democratic superdelegates to reveal their choice for presidential nominee soon after the final primary in June and that Hillary Clinton will then have to quit the race.

In an interview with Sky News, Carter said he did not think Clinton was achieving anything by staying in the fight.

"I think not. But of course she has the perfect right to do so," he said while attending a literary festival in Britain.

"I'm a superdelegate ... I think a lot of the superdelegates will make a decision quite, announced quite rapidly, after the final primary on June 3," he told Sky News.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080525/POLITICS-USA-POLITICS-CARTER-DC/

[Radio_Lady]

14. Thanks, Billyoc. Appreciate your help.

[OzarkDem]

53. If that happens, Obama supporters will be on their own

it will be their race to lose. Choice of a VP candidate isn't going to make much of a difference.

[LordJFT]

9. yeah, what did Carter say?

[Radio_Lady]

10. See the link in my post above.

[genna]

7. LESS

O8)

[Radio_Lady]

12. Thanks, Genna.

:hi:

[cboy4]

16. If Obama is the nominee and it turns out to be Richardson,

you will not hear the end of it from me.

I don't want a back-stabber as second in command.



Or one who thinks homosexuality is a choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBaoLiZGNsI

[Radio_Lady]

17. I totally understand. So your answer will have to be MORE dissention because...

Obama might choose someone whom you don't care for?

So, how hard will you be willing to fight others about Obama's own selection.

Also, how will that continue to play here at the DU?

[newmajority]

30. When did Richardson "stab" Edwards in the back??

You are still pretending to be an Edwards supporter, right? Or have you and the three or 4 others using that excuse finally taken off the mask and revealed your inner Hillbots??

As for Richardson and GLBT issues, you might want to compare his actual record on the issues as governor to what he said at the Logo debate.

Yes it was a bad choice of words, but even if that IS what he actually believes (and that wasn't my interpretation) ask yourself the following question....

If somebody supports my civil rights, does it matter what his or her personal beliefs are??

In the case of GLBT rights, Richardson has acted in the interests of equality. And the Equality Forum seems to agree.....

PHILADELPHIA, (USNewswire-PRNewswire) — Equality Forum, a national and international GLBT civil rights organization, will recognize New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson with its 13th annual International Role Model Award, and Wachovia Corporation will receive its 2008 International
Business Leadership Award.

The awards will be presented at the International Equality Dinner at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia on Saturday, May 3 during Equality Forum 2008.

As Governor of New Mexico, Richardson has expanded anti-discrimination laws to include sexual orientation and gender identity, and signed into law the state’s hate crimes legislation for acts including those based on sexual orientation and gender identity. He provided state health insurance for domestic partnerships, and called a special legislative session to enact civil union benefits.

“Throughout his career in public service, Governor Richardson has been a strong supporter and friend of the GLBT community. Governor Richardson has repeatedly used his political standing to champion GLBT civil rights,” stated Malcolm Lazin, Executive Director of Equality Forum.

http://gaynewsbits.com/2008/05/02/gov-bill-richardson-to-receive-international-role-model-award/

[Radio_Lady]

39. OK, folks. Settle down and give your opinions. Can you please keep the name calling OUT of this?

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[cboy4]

40. Spider, you ever have anything intelligent to say?

I'll answer for you.

Of course not.

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[Radio_Lady]

42. --

Cboy4, thank you for your comments. (Cute baby, by the way! Even while screaming!)

White dove signifies peace -- I am trying to calm things down a bit while the leading Democrats begin to consider the leading Vice Presidential candidates.

[cboy4]

46. Hi Radio_Lady =)

We need more white doves flying around this forum!

[Radio_Lady]

47. It would be nice, wouldn't it? Maybe soon...

we'll have a whole flock of them.

Hey, thanks for your kindness at that freakin' blog site.

When I saw your subject line, I got really sad.

Then, I read your message.

You're a doll! Thanks so much.

[saltpoint]

38. Hi, cboy4. Richardson needs to update his file on social issues a bit,

I will grant that point.

But that is not to say I would berate his command of global affairs. He has the star resume on the global criteria and knows his world leaders, how to spell their names, how to address them properly, and many other components of diplomacy (and adulthood) that the current president spectacularly lacks.

I would praise also his bilingual profile. This hemisphere is significantly Spanish and as the song goes, it is the loving tongue, one that is quite beautiful and which deserves serious consideration as mandatory study by U.S. school kids. Many will threaten to firebomb my abode for saying that, but that's how I feel the wheel is turning, and I've bee comfortable with it for a long time. Richardson would help usher that era in.

Bush enjoyed majority support among Hispanics. I want them back. We are more attuned to people issues than the Pukes, and Richardson could be the catalyst to inspire a massive re-alignment in the choice of Hispanic citizens. Certainly he will inspire a reconsideration of Hispanics generally with a resume like that.

The 44th president will face energy emergencies, very likely. Richardson was Secretary of Energy and can sit down in a large conference room of environmentalists and industry big wigs and forge a plan better than anyone for at least the last 8 years. Cheney had oil lobbyists WRITE the legislation. It would be a huge lift to have a blue expert rather than a red dicktuck running the show on Energy.

We want New Mexico back. Bush took it narrowly in 04. I want it back. Now. Richardson on the ticket would almost assuredly give us New Mexico.

He would also likely represent the margin of victory in Colorado. I think Colorado turns blue this time and having Richardson making appearances in towns like Pueblo would be a huge lift.

Not least, and please don't laugh, because it sounds off-the topic, but really isn't. I like the way Bill Richardson is around horses. I like the way he treats them in the footage and how comfortable he is, how he seesm to acknowledge that he is in the horse's debt and not the other way around. I'm an animal lover and watcher and note that George W. Bush, that tough-talkin' brush-clearin' balls-out fake cowboy, has never been on a horse, is never around them, is never pictured with them. He's afraid of them. Or more likely, the horses get sick every time he comes near them. In any case if you believe as I do that it's significant how people treat animals, Richardson wins some points there.

Our convention is in Denver -- west of the Mississippi. A governor from a neighboring state might be welcomed in that hall with thundering applause.

Just my take. Not trying to pick a fight.

And in any case, hello, happy summertime, and all good wishes.

[cboy4]

44. I'm always happy to read your comments my friend.

I won't lie. Obama rubs me the wrong way.

However it goes without saying that I very much respect your views, opinions and analysis.

And on the bright side, if Obama turns out to be the nominee, I've said from the beginning I'll be voting for him.

Happy Memorial Day :)

[Radio_Lady]

45. cboy4, you're exactly the kind of person I'm looking for.

Open to the possibilities of a Democratic ticket that we can be proud of...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[NC_Nurse]

18. Less. Thank God!

[Radio_Lady]

19. Unless it's done in what kind of way? Are there others who are unacceptable to you?

[NC_Nurse]

22. I'd prefer that Clinton is not foisted upon an Obama ticket because she's a

sore loser. Other than that, I'm not worried about it. He has lots of good choices.

[Radio_Lady]

27. OK with me at this point. It's time to settle our differences, IMHO.

White doves are the symbol of peace.

(I had to choose another dove today because my first signature was TOO LARGE!)

[book_worm]

20. I think the only choice which would cause great dissention would be Clinton.

[Radio_Lady]

23. I'm not quite sure -- but we will wait for developments.

Thanks for your comments.

[AllentownJake]

21. VP pick is different

No one is going to have primaries. One day Obama is going to come out on stage and introduce someone and people are going to have to accept it. There is a process and people will be vetted and polled. Cross your fingers and hope the process works.

There may be a few days of bitching however once he picks someone its kind of final.

[Radio_Lady]

24. You may not be old enough to remember this, but... I recall it was August 1968, on vacation,

and we were parked alongside a bucolic Pennsylvania farmhouse, taking pictures of the barn. The man on the car radio said the name for the first time... They announced....

SPIRO who?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew

FYI, the bewilderment and misery continued with Spiro Agnew -- who turned out to be not so good a choice -- until he resigned because of criminal charges. (However, it must be noted that he did have a good head of hair!)

[AllentownJake]

25. I wasn't old enough to remember

but in one of the books I read about Reagan he was offered the VP spot after Agnew's resignation. Reagan declined he was than kicking himself a few months later after Nixon resigned.

[Radio_Lady]

26. Good find! I didn't recall that one. Thanks for posting.

Learn something new every day here.

[Johnny__Motown]

28. Far less

[Radio_Lady]

29. Here's hoping you're right, Johnny!

Thanks for your comments.

RL in OR

[blonndee]

31. MUCH less, unless it's Clinton.

I would hope also that it'll be much more civilized. Of course the trolls will have their little say-so, but maybe we could actually have some logic-based arguments again amongst ourselves.

[Radio_Lady]

48. Surveying the internet just on a hunch, I came across this from JAN. 2008...

I'm not familiar with this site or this blogger at all.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/30/111316/998

Who Should Clinton Or Obama Choose As VP?

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:13:16 AM EST

By Big Tent Democrat

"Just to lighten things up a bit, let's start a pointless irrelevant thread -- who should Obama or Clinton pick as their VPs?

I am on record that Clinton has no real choice here - Barack Obama would almost have to be her VP choice, and yes, he would accept it.

For Obama, the choice is murkier. I do not think Clinton would be a good choice but you can not rule it out. I am no fan of these drab choices like Sebelius, the Governor of Kansas. If it was my choice for Obama, I would pick Jim Webb. Webb can be tough and yet still fits in with Obama's unity message. Indeed, he could give Obama a real way to merge his unity message with a partisan fighting edge. It is something he needs.

How about you folks? Who would you pick?"



Have fun! There are almost 200 comments on this blog! Sleepless in Seattle? Or anywhere else? Don't have much to do tomorrow?

Happy Memorial Day in ten more minutes...

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Tippy]

32. I don't know if it will be more or less...but

It boils down to...do you trust your candidate or not...Obama will be choosing his running mate...Yes we all know quite a bit about these people who's names have been talked about as a possible VP, but not as much as Obama is going to know about them....We probably won't know their reasons for not wanting the job or wanting it, these discussions have not really been made public in the past except in the simplest terms...

The first person who gets on here and says they will not support his choice for some reason or another ...well that will put that person in the same category as many of Clinton supporters....

If I don't get the one I want I'll voted for McCane...so help me God I might just....no I won't say it. You all know from earlier posts one Candida who has been mentioned I don't really care for but if he happens to be Obamas choice I will support them....

[apocalypsehow]

33. Much less, for a while, I'd wager. You see,

after Obama is declared the nominee I predict we will see a marked decrease in trollish activity because the incentive for disruption now is the ongoing campaign, and HRC's attempt to do as much damage to Obama as she can if she can't be the nominee. This incites trolls to squirt lighter fluid on the flames here.

After the nomination is settled, I predict most of DU will unify, and those that won't will either post their way into a tombstone, or go back to Jimmy's place where he will be waiting to greet them with open arms.

They will return in force as the GE starts to heat up, of course.

[ruby slippers]

36. only if McShame's choice for his doesn't overshadow ours.....

[iconicgnom]

37. I think at that point he'll be able to speak with decisiveness

and the Dem party and the whole world that puts its hopes in the US turning a corner, away from the past 8 yrs, will breathe a sigh of relief because the battle will by then have been joined. However it works out, I believe senator Clinton will be onside with the Dem party.

I think Obama will win the GE quite handily. I dunno why I'm so optimistic about it - I guess there's no single reason. One reason, tho', is the existence of these kinds of message boards and activist sites. The model that's being self-defined by the people who're the initiators and mainstays on them has proven itself powerful, and we've learned even more since 2004 - so for the first time in 100 yrs there's an effective counterweight to the corporate/big-money MSM.

[Douglas Carpenter]

43. no its going to be really boring around here

I have noticed that discussion forums that are extremely polite and civil tend to have a much lower level of participation.

I don't think that's a good thing. But it is how it is.

[Gore1FL]

50. It's basically his choice

Once it it made it is a virtua done deal. Delgates that do not support the choice in voting will be few.

[Radio_Lady]

51. Yes, that's true. But you think there will be NO discussion about it at the DU?

I wish I could believe that!

[Radio_Lady]

52. Other threads here this morning have convinced me that even if we handle this HOT POTATO..

we will still be in a lot of HOT WATER come November 2008!

Starting today, here's my scenario.

Obama a done deal sometime in June, hopefully early.

Obama doesn't choose Clinton for VP, and she essentially concedes or rejects the idea if offered...

Obama chooses WHOEVER...

Still gonna be A LOT OF unhappy people left over.

I do hope I'm wrong.

[madrchsod]

54. obama is an adult who can make a decision

on who he thinks will be the best for him and the nation. when he makes his decision is up to him and his advisors.

[tekisui]

55. Obama has said he will make his choice very quickly after

he has secured the Nomination.

[IndianaGreen]

56. Saint Hillary will join Saint Ralph in the pantheon of personas non grata

Holy Joe went to Hell.