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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:19 PM
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Do you leave open any possibility that the Clinton's negativity is from what you've projected...
onto them?

I think I know the answer, but I'll leave it open for discussion.

~Writer~
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:22 PM
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1. If they don't, they're not being truthful with themselves
For people to definitively state that they are not biased is kooky talk.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:44 PM
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39. I don't get this. now WE are projecting negativity onto them. oh
god.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:52 PM
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42. Pay attention. It is NEVER the Clintons' fault. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:25 PM
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2. I'm absolutely sure that Clintons think Hillary is a better candidate than Obama
Consequently, they are more negative about an Obama candidancy then a Hillary candidancy.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:26 PM
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3. Defiinetly, a clear cut case of SMPS. Clearest case I have ever seen.
Everything is going swimmingly until Nov 07 and she starts the campaign and then bamm Spontaenous Mass Projection Syndrome. 30 million people all share the same negativity.



Or it could be that she ran a piss poor campaign.

Your choice - does it really matter?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:28 PM
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4. Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:30 PM
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8. heyyyyyyy reeeennnnnnnnn! what, stimpy?
:)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:32 PM
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11. oh that reminds me----
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:45 PM
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40. yoooooou eeeeediot!!!
:)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:29 PM
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5. do you leave open that same possibly about Bush? You could ask the same question about
a myriad of people.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:31 PM
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10. I was thinking the same of Liebermann
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:32 PM
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13. huh, see, there we go.
:thumbsup: :hi:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:29 PM
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6. oh sure, I had Mark Penn on speed dial and kept telling him how to torpedo her campaign
yep, that was all me, I personally projected my desire for her to self-implode and boy did they take to it like a fish to water.

Its all my fault.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:49 PM
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32. You mean like a lerkfish to water, right?? n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:30 PM
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7. I didn't project the Feburary kitchen sink campaign.
Predicted it, but I didn't project it.

She sunk to depths during this campaign that have shocked everyone. We didn't even know they had previously existed.

Her negativity in this primary season has been an endless well. We just keep waiting to hear that the quarter we dropped has finally hit bottom.

Its not there yet.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:53 PM
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43. I didn't project Hillary's assassination campaign strategy. In fact, she even took me by surprise.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:30 PM
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9. YOU MUST BEE A CLINTON SUPORTUR!!1!1!!!!11!! N/T
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:32 PM
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:33 PM
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14. Nope, no possibility whatsoever
I keep trying to find ways to not beleive they are what they've become.

Unfortunately, every time I get close to getting over it all, they do something even more abominable than the last time.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:33 PM
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15. I'm not sure I understand your contention
That they're behaving badly because they don't think they're universally liked?

Or that they're not behaving badly and it's all in my head?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:36 PM
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17. If you think Clintons are negative you are a nutcase - at least thats how I interpret the post
if so there are lots of us nutcases.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:40 PM
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18. I see.
Guess I'm a nut then, too.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:36 PM
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16. It doesn't matter
Even if the Obama supporters have an epiphany and discover they love the Clintons in order to help get Obama elected, they've alrerady burned those bridges.

Obama and his supporters have earned a reputation as foolish, selfish, divisive Democrats who can't be trusted. Repeat: They can't be trusted.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:41 PM
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19. from my last journal post:


You just dont FUCKING GET IT DO YOU BILL? We are on to your charades. Your mind meld over us is gone

We know all about Your and Hillary's REAL philosophy.

We know about Hillary's college THESIS.

That all the matters in politics is the WAR of opinion and Winning it by distorting what people see as REALITY.

Your projector is BROKEN BILL!

The REALITY train is no longer something you can SCREW WITH BILL!

FUCK YOU AND EVERY GOD DAMN BULLSHIT ATTEMPT TO DISTORT WHAT I SEE AND KNOW TO BE REAL.

WE fucking SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR BULLSHIT.

Maybe its GEORGE W BUSH'S FAULT.

Why don't you blame HIM?

George played all those same dirty distorting propaganda tricks and got CAUGHT so MANY TIMES he RUINED it for you and HILLARY.

GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY

THE O TRAINS A COMIN!!!!
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:14 PM
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20. Of course -- it's all our fault
We're projecting all our badness onto her creamy goodness.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:56 PM
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27. Drooooool.
Hillary's creamy goodness.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:43 PM
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21. Do leave open the possibility that YOU might be doing some projecting?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:45 PM
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22. So now the fact that the Clinton's say things that are completely terrible is OUR fault?
The victim mentality takes a drastic turn for the stupid.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:53 PM
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25. This is an embarrassing OP



Projection is related to denial in the strongest psychological bindings, denial, arguably the only defense mechanism that is more primitive than projection. Those who project deny a part of themselves that may otherwise come to the surface.

I think the mirror should crack if someone really looked at what they were saying.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:58 PM
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28. Projection is Related to Denial! They are psychologically cousins


Here is their queen




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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:50 PM
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33. And like they say, you can't fix stupid. n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:46 PM
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23. No, I think the Clintons' negativity comes from the fact that they're sore losers.
They've been in de facto control of the Democratic Party for sixteen years, and now that's slipping away from them. And they aren't happy about it, and are deperately trying to cling to their power by any means necessary. It's sad and ugly, and I'm personally sorry to see their utter lack of class and grace...but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:47 PM
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24. I liked the Clintons
until I discovered they will do anything to win.
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:55 PM
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26. I kind of think Clinton's negativity...
...is a result of losing.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:14 PM
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29. They are politicians, and so is Barack.
Saying that makes me a heretic around here, but I wouldn't have it any other way. It's a badge of honor to be hated by these shitbirds. :patriot:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:15 PM
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30. No, it's a perfectly natural response to HRC's below-the-belt campaigning.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:20 PM
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31. I have no idea what this question means
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:51 PM
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34. Is there any possibility that supporters of Clinton are in denial about
her negativity?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:55 PM
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35. No, they don't leave the possibility open
I see you got the anticipated response.

I remember right after 9/11 - all the threads about the Big Dog, and people missing him - I remember the excitement he generated on his book tour (I had friends who waited in line for hours to get their book signed by him and emailed me about how great it was). Now he's the anti-christ and I won't even mention what she's been called.

On Thom Hartmann last week, some Democratic party official in Oregon actually referred to Hillary as "the Queen of Appalachia". It just shows to what level things have generated that Hartmann didn't challenge it. He didn't even seem to NOTICE it. It was a pitiful moment for his show, I thought. I also heard a Republican on MTP say that half the country thinks Hillary rides around on a broom, and neither of the two Democrats on the panel, or Tim Russert, said a word. It was unbelievable.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:58 PM
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48. Have you ever considered that our changed opinion of the Clintons has been
spurred by a change in the Clintons' behavior, character, and/or rhetoric?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:09 PM
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51. You're fucking drowning in Koolaide
NOT

Earth to all the morons out there: I don't need to consult Axelrod and Obama when I hear Hillary say something outrageous to know that it's outrageous.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:23 PM
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53. Sigh.
The media would like you to think so.

Obama is the media darling. If he's elected, he'll probably continue to be a media darling. There are some candidates the media hates (Gore comes to mind) and will do anything to bring down. There are others they give a pass to.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:30 PM
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54. So I don't know the sources of my own emotions? Jeez, thanks.
:eyes:

If it weren't for you, I wouldn't know how to feel about anything.

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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:58 PM
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36. No, because I can pinpoint when the negativity started
Hillary's campaign was, as far as I could see, very upbeat until she realized that she could never match Obama's charasmatic style and speaking ability. It seemed to frustrate her, bringing on the "experience" meme in which she tried her best to portray Obama as an empty suit with nothing more than a golden tongue (The praising of McCain coupled with the "he gave a speech" comments).

After that we were promised the "kitchen sink" and Hillary did her very best to try to deliver it. It gave her a win at any cost image that I have heard many, many people who never have been to DU or any other internet community comment on. She did this to herself.

Had she had a competent campaign staff that was truly prepared for the caucus states and not put all her eggs into Super Tuesday she probably would have won the nomination easily and we'd all be rooting for her in the general and saying what a bright future that Obama kid will have some day.

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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:07 PM
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37. Wow this is embarrassing
And one of the reasons Hillary has lost big time. Ya'll have taken faux cries of sexism and now victimhood to a whole different level. This isn't even humorous anymore it's just pathetic.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:37 PM
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38. bingo. nt
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:49 PM
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41. Spin spin spin. Twist twist twist.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:53 PM
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44. Ok, so now Clinton's loss is all OUR fault???
Can't Clinton and her campaign take responsibility for any of their own mistakes? :eyes:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:55 PM
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46. Well....if YOU would have supported her she'd be the nominee by now
Dammit x(
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:54 PM
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45. The correct way to phrase that
...is that Hillary and Bill are bewildered that things haven't gone the way they wanted, have gotten the optics of the whole race precisely backwards, and that they've had to deal with unexpected challenges and handled them very badly.

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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:55 PM
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47. Nope. Wasn't me.
The answer you seek is in the Kitchen Sink.

- as
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:59 PM
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49. Projection is a defense...
Edited on Tue May-27-08 04:00 PM by Blue_Roses
when one says they are being treated unfairly, chances are, they are the ones doing the unfair treatment.

You can't project something that's not there. I was on the fence and a huge Bill Clinton supporter from day one. I have given him the benefit of the doubt time and time again, but lately no more. His latest "cover-up" comments are ludacious and make him look like he's lost his ever-loving mind. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I not only am NOT projecting my frustration and anger, I'm not projecting THEIR lies.

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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:00 PM
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50. Only the first time.
Then I chose to interpret the words to fit my already conceived notion of her. I choose to view everything she says through the lens of my own bias.

Not really, but it could be true. (Don't beat me up! I think both of our candidates are awesome. I prefer Obama, but Senator Clinton is fabulous too.)

Signed,
Not a Hillary hater.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:23 PM
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52. Here's what I remember...
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark
By JAKE TAPPER
Dec. 13, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3992371&page=1
Bill Shaheen, the Clinton campaign's New Hampshire co-chair, stepped down Thursday one day after publicly raising the issue of the youthful drug use of her chief opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

Shaheen, the husband of a former New Hampshire governor and an influential Democrat, was a constant presence by Clinton's side whenever she campaigned in the Granite State, where recent polls have her and Obama in a dead heat for first in that first-in-the-nation primary state.

Hours after the Wednesday release of a CNN/WMUR poll showing Obama in a statistical tie with Clinton for the first time among New Hampshire Democratic voters, Shaheen told The Washington Post that should Obama get the nomination, "one of the things Republicans are certainly going to jump on is his drug use."

Shaheen said Obama having been so open -- as opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further queries on the matter.
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On Sunday, a second Clinton staffer -- Linda Olson, an Iowa County volunteer coordinator, who followed Jones County coordinator Judy Rose -- was asked to resign after reporters discovered she had forwarded an e-mail repeating the scurrilous allegation that Obama, a member of the United Church of Christ, is a Muslim plant.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties

By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.
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In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.

Rosenberg had been arrested in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite, a submachine gun and other weapons from the back of a car.
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And in 1999, President Clinton also pardoned 16 violent Puerto Rican nationalists responsible for more than 100 bombings of U.S. political and military installations, after they promised to renounce violence. The attacks reportedly killed six people and wounded dozens more. In justifying the pardons, President Clinton noted none of the men had been convicted of crimes that resulted in death or injuries.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.



January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary Supporter Cuomo: Obama Tried To "Shuck And Jive" With Media

The Hillary campaign might have their own surrogate with foot-in-mouth syndrome who they'll have to deal with. During an appearance yesterday on talk radio -- at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears -- New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words about Barack Obama that have a very troublesome racial history.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," he added. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

The phrase "shuck and jive" refers to mischievous blacks behaving innocently in the presence of an authority figure, so as to lie and get out of trouble.

......Lies on Tape....

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Top 9 Lies to Voters on the Campaign Trail
#1 Bill Clinton lied to voters at their rallies and said he had been opposed to the Iraq war from the start.

#2 Hillary Clinton lied and said she had been opposed to NAFTA. After an advocacy group sued to have her First Lady records released, it was revealed that she had supported and advocated for NAFTA.

#3 Hillary Clinton lied to voters about a trip to Bosnia claiming she was running for cover and did not attend a greeting ceremony.

#4 Bill Clinton lied to voters about Barack Obama’s Iraq record.

#5 Bill Clinton just completely made up a story to supporters about Obama dismissing the 90s.

#6 Hillary Clinton said she was instrumental in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland.


#7 Hillary Clinton lied to Iowa and New Hampshire voters about whether she would try to count the Florida and Michigan primaries.

#8 Hillary Clinton lied at one of her rallies and said she began criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did

#9 On April 21, Bill Clinton said “I think they played the race card on me” of the Obama campaign. The next day when an NBC reporter asked Clinton, “Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?” Clinton claimed that he didn’t make that statement.
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
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55. Let's draw some distinctions between the critics of Clinton. They aren't all of one sort.
Yes, there are some people who project their insecurities onto Senator Clinton. I'm thinking of asshats like Glen Beck when he says "Clinton reminds everyone of his first wife." Get on a couch and work it out with a shrink, Beck!

Why is that sexist when Ann Richards's hilarious line about George HW Bush ("He reminds everyone of her first husband") isn't sexist? Because men and women aren't equal in our society. It's sad but true. Ann Richards was poking holes in a publically inflated ego. Glenn Beck's joke was, at best, ungallant.

He also has a habit of calling her "bitch." It sets a nasty tone for the whole election season.

But there's also Clinton critics who aren't working out their unresolved mommy issues. I'd like to think of myself as one of them. I've voted for plenty of women candidates in my day--my first vote ever when I was 18 was for a women who revolutionized Houston politics by getting elected our first female mayor. I'm proud of that.

For me, I was uncomfortable with Clinton not because she was challenging the system, but because she was a part of the system I wanted to see challenged. I didn't like the way she dominated the money contest in 2006-2007. It seemed small-d undemocratic to squeeze out other contenders from getting donations. I didn't like how her election was being pitched in part as a work-around past the 22nd Amendment and the principle of rotation in office that our Founding Fathers saw as critical component to small-r republicanism.

I was uncomfortable with her inflexibility in admitting error in granting Bush permission to start a new war and let Osama get away. I saw too many of her positions as the same old warhawk posturing me-too-ism that's plagued the Democrats for decades. Once in office, I'm sure she's have used American power responsibly (her husband certainly did), but it was refreshing to hear other candidates making dove sounds and offer balanced critiques of foreign policy (Biden, Richardson, & Obama all did this) and offer fresh thinking on how and when to put American blood on the line.

To be honest, I was quite favorably impressed with much of how Clinton handled herself early in the primary season. But sometime after South Carolina, her style got more aggressive and she started to seem less presidential. When she was on the ropes, she got a bit snarky, a bit petty. The reasons she gave for her candidacy seemed contrived and at times of dubious intellectual quality. I didn't think she was giving me "straight talk." I saw someone who tempermentally, for all her talents and service, was simply not the best person available for the job.

I've tried not to allow the negativity of Clinton's supporters on DU cloud my perceptions. I think I've done okay in this regard, in large part because I tend to assume the nastier comments are being made by Freeping disruptors, not actual Clintonians. But my assessment of her really hasn't changed that much. I think she's a great senator, an important voice in our democracy, and a leader I agree with far more often than not. But I've never trusted her candidacy because I can recall seeing Fox News faces and pinheads like Chris Matthews pushing her onto us since 2001. I always try to defend her against the nasty attacks that come at her from the creeps, misfits, and lurks on this boards. I always report it when someone drops the B-bomb. But on the balance, I think she's a flawed candidate. I'd've voted for her if she won, but Obama's imminent victory has been something of a relief to me.
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