GOP sees Obama mired in base

[NJSecularist]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080526/NATION/469428595/-1/RSS_NATION_POLITICS

Sen. Barack Obama is close to clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, but he faces trouble on several fronts in the general election with blue-collar workers and other parts of the electorate who question his lack of experience, foreign-policy judgment and social liberalism.

Fewer than a few dozen delegate votes away from making history as the first black to win the nomination of a major party, the freshman senator is also showing signs of weakness among white voters in Midwestern and Southern battleground states, including Ohio and Florida, which Democrats must carry if they are to win the White House.

A senior Republican official in Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign said the party's internal polls show Mr. Obama is having trouble reaching outside of his base of blacks, young adults and college-educated voters.

"We're seeing that in state after state Obama has trouble drawing beyond his own base. His coalition has been secular liberals, young people and blacks. That's proven to be enough in the Democratic primaries, but he's going to have to go beyond that to win the general election," said Frank Donatelli, the McCain campaign's chief liaison at the Republican National Committee.


"He's done poorly in the last two months in every contest he's run outside of those areas. He's clearly not the candidate he was in February and March when he won a dozen primaries in a row," said Mr. Donatelli, who was President Reagan's White House political director.

The results of matchups between the two prospective nominees in a Quinnipiac University poll in several swing states were similar to the RNC's internal poll findings, he said.

If the media had done their job and vetted Obama before March, he'd be back in the Senate by now working on an actual resume. Instead they told the American people fairy tales about Obama's record up until that point. By the time the American people got to know the real Obama, it was too late. His base now only consists of latte liberals, blacks and young people. His base is McGovern-esque. That is not a winning electoral coalition. He'll lose Ohio due to his problems in Appalachia. He'll lose Florida because he disenfranchised millions of voters in that state. He stands no chance in other big states like Virginia and North Carolina. He won't win any Southern states. Instead of expanding our electoral map due to the sorry shape of the GOP, Obama is contracting it. He is our worst general election candidate since Dukakis, and he may even give McGovern a run for his money. Another 4 years of GOP rule is going to be hard to take.

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Liberal Veteran sees Hillary support mired in bitterness.

[TahitiNut]

43. Barack would've been so much more "experienced" if he'd slept with Bill Clinton for 8 years.

Come to think of it, we all might've been better off if Hillary did, too. :evilgrin:

[roguevalley]

71. tahitinut, that is killer funny. thanks.

[Raster]

80. Ouch! That is definitely going to leave a mark!

:kick:

[VotesForWomen]

98. so that's all a wife is? a sex partner? wow. and hill's responsible for bill cheating? i'm guessi

guessing you're not voting for 'the bitch.'

[TahitiNut]

106. Besides failing at math, you don't read very well, either.

It must be tough going through life both mentally and ethically challenged. :nopity:

[GarbagemanLB]

2. I think I hear a waaaambulance!

[marmar]

3. Wow. Who needs Free Republic when you have NJSecularist?

:wtf:

[The Doctor.]

65. Now now...

Funny though. Don't worry, he won't be around after she drops out.

[grantcart]

4. Yeah also having organizational problems

too many donors to keep track of

[ekwhite]

112. I hear they're choking the FEC computers. N/T

[muntrv]

5. Yep. The GOP would be pissing on themselves if Hillary were the nominee.

:sarcasm:

[TooRaLoo]

6. Hmmmm... nope.

Still not concerned with what the GOP's opinion about Obama's base.

[rurallib]

7. So how does this compare to McCain's supposed base?

He only ran in a couple of contested primaries and I don't think he ever polled over 50% when he had competition. The repub primaries were mostly white & male and small in comparison to the Dems.

[villager]

42. That's the great unasked question, isn't it?

McCain will have no broad "base" to speak of, come fall...

[roguevalley]

74. even when everyone dropped out, he still lost over 25% of the vote

to the others. LOL!

[DJ13]

8. GOP sees Hillary as a loser

Still trying to promote her.

[David Dunham]

9. Surveyusa has Obama up by 9 over McC in Ohio, a key swing state

[NJSecularist]

12. The partisan breakdown is 52% Democratic, 28% Republican

It's not a legit poll.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

That's what the partisan breakdown IS in a lot of places right now.

Pollsters go by how people identify themselves. A lot more people i.d. as Democrat than Republican these days. It's about 45% to 35% nationwide right now.

[jefferson_dem]

27. How about the NC and OR polls you referenced in saying Hillary would pull off upsets?

Given how those failed to work out for you, I'll offer your GE prediction as evidence for ...

Obama winning in a landslide.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[OzarkDem]

28. Good luck

GOP will take him out with ease in Ohio.

[roguevalley]

75. no they won't. the machine that tooled for the GOP is out.

[OzarkDem]

78. Yeah right

clap harder.

[rockymountaindem]

10. The Washington Times

The Washington Times? Do you think we're idiots?

[TahitiNut]

48. The Hillbots can only go bottom-feeding on right-wing sites.

It seems to be their natural environment.

[mcg]

94. The WT is a far right-wing Moonie rag,

I wouldn't use it for toilet paper.

[sakabatou]

11. Dems see GOP mired in lobbyists

[AllentownJake]

13. Your one week grace period

will be coming very very soon :-)

[OzarkDem]

14. True, he has very limited appeal

and has succeeded in alienating pretty much everyone over the age of 21.

[klook]

17. I'm over 21

So there's at least one of us Obama hasn't alienated. :P

[NJSecularist]

19. You're in the minority. n/t

[klook]

47. There must be a hell of a lot of <21-year olds out there then!! LOL (n/t)

[OzarkDem]

57. Got 43 million more?

Tell us.

[roguevalley]

77. since you speak for millions, I assume you have a great big rolodex

to get all that information

[OzarkDem]

104. Are you delusional also?

Its simple electoral math.

McCain and the GOP are going to fight hard in the GE. Obama is vulnerable because his campaign has alienated half the Dem base of voters.

[AllentownJake]

18. Wow you are BITTER

Clinging to your memories of the 90s.

[jefferson_dem]

37. Given the state of the race...

Either under 21s turn out to the tune of 100% or you are seriously misinformed.

Hmmmm...

[Arugula Latte]

49. Yes, all those millions who voted for him were all 21 or under.

Yes, that makes perfect sense in HillaryWorld.

[OzarkDem]

55. Tell us how he'll pick up 43 million more

especially after he's called them bitter racissts.

[The Doctor.]

68. Wow, thanks for making my "Holy shit you're a pathological liar" list.

Let's see the quote.

Oh, wait... it's all in your head!

You really want nothing to do with reality, do you?

[roguevalley]

79. because they will. they always have and they always will. most of

them have a squint more touch with reality than you.

[iconicgnom]

51. He's gonna be the nominee

He clinched it long ago! I laugh at you and your Repug friends and your desperate attempts at taunting :)

[OzarkDem]

53. Its the GE that matters

and the odds are very much against him winning the GE.

[The Doctor.]

70. You'll be seeing this post again.

I'll post it in November in case you haven't decided to join reality by then.

[roguevalley]

81. this is bookmarked so that when he wins in the biggest landslide

in American history, I can pull it up and laugh.

[VotesForWomen]

100. yeah, i'm bookmarking it too. nt

[VotesForWomen]

99. not to O-ists. they just want to 'beat the bitch.' who cares if we lose the GE.

[Douglas Carpenter]

110. " Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.0% chance of winning the White House in November"

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.0% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Average of National Polls:

Obama 47.0/McCain 44.0 = Obama + 3.0

Clinton 46.1/McCain 44.0 = Clinton + 1.4

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[The Doctor.]

66. Which would explain why he's the presumptive nominee by a large margin.

:eyes:

Reality will welcome you back anytime.

[roguevalley]

76. I'm twice 21 and then some and you are full of it. nice how you speak

for millions.

[muntrv]

15. The moonie times also says things are going swimmingly in Iraq.

[klook]

16. I'll withhold comment until I hear what

the National Review has to say on this matter. :crazy:

[Hippo_Tron]

64. I'm holding out for the Weekly Standard

If Bill Kristol says Obama is unelectable then he's unelectable. But until then, I'm not so sure.

:rofl:

[Bensthename]

20. NJSecularist, sorry to give you some depressing news but Obama will beat McCain

this November.. No doubt..


The war, economy, HC, etc are alot bigger issues then you think..

Sorry to burst your bubble but your man McCain is going down..

[VotesForWomen]

102. if you ever left the cult compound you might have a different opinion. nt

[still_one]

21. washingtontimes, hmmmm, what bull. Let's do a reality check

Would anyone who is prochoice vote for mccain?

Would anyone who is for civil right vote for mccain?

Would anyone who is for woman's rights vote for mccain?

Would anyone who wants healthcare reform vote for mccain?

Would anyone who wants us out of Iraq vote for mccain?

Would anyone who doesn't want social security privitized vote for mccain?

Would anyone who is tired of badly negotiated trade agreements vote for mccain?


If you seriously believe that people who would vote for Clinton would not vote for Obama, then either THOSE people are complete idiots, or they don't understand the issues

The media more than did their jobs, and the campaign Clinton ran showed not only how incompentent she is, but hateful and divisive

[jefferson_dem]

22. NJSecularist cites Moonie Times, whines about media coverage, bashes our nominee.

Typical.

Lameness.

[Hippo_Tron]

56. I bet he doesn't even realize the irony

Next thing you know he'll be posting an article from Rush Limbaugh about how the liberal media treats Hillary unfairly.

[Youphemism]

23. "the first black to win the nomination"

I guess he's not biracial, he's not african-american -- he's not even a black man or a black person.

He's just "a black."

If you were to manage to win this argument for your candidate, he'll probably be calling her "the first chick to make it to the GE."

[Skittles]

115. I noticed that too

WTF!!!

[madrchsod]

24. a right wing site linked to prove a point

please come up with something other than the washington times if you want any chance of making argument why hillary is the better candidate

[Bensthename]

29. Fox news and washington times are their friends lately.. I wonder why?

:shrug:

[lastliberalintexas]

41. In all fairness, I've seen Obama supporters link to such drivel as well

And some Obama supporters have themselves taken to right wing speak- ie, a very active thread on the front page referring to Bill Clinton as Slick Willie. From a supposed Dem/progressive?

[Hippo_Tron]

61. I call my fellow Obama supporters bullshit when they post stuff from right wing sources

I didn't believe Hillary's comments about RFK when the source was the New York Post. I waited until MSNBC confirmed it.

[madrchsod]

69. have`t seen that one...

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

25. This is what a movement looks like

not a campaign mired in base

[jefferson_dem]

30. And this is what a loser looks like.

[bridgit]

36. Well, no, point taken & all, but as a DUer in Klamath Falls, OR, pointed out as well...

"Any day it doesn't rain in Portland is a good day to go to a rally." :)

[roguevalley]

84. ah, klamath falls. many a time I went there. :)

[Hippo_Tron]

63. Silly latte liberal

Those are all just kids going to a rally cause they want to meet chicks and get laid. Seriously, I heard it from a Hillary supporter. It must be true.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

67. Damn, the suspension in my Volvo must

not be up to snuff, I just hit a bump and spilled my latte.

[tabasco]

26. Don't worry! Even if Hillary loses her Senate seat,

she will still have her seat in the Punjabi senate



and the Hussians!



and all of her new "progressive" friends



and her singing career!

[Dinger]

31. KRB

Kick, Rec, Bookmark

[lastliberalintexas]

32. If Obama loses, it will be because electoral college bias we weren't able to overcome

But I really can't believe that there is a substantial portion of Dems who would refuse to vote for him. Only in the dreams of the republican media.

[NJSecularist]

33. Oh, you better believe there are a significant portion of Dems who won't vote for him.

If you think otherwise, you are naive.

[lastliberalintexas]

38. Then they aren't Democrats- or even democrats

I'm not an Obama fan, as most Obama supporters on this site would gladly tell you. But I believe that, at the end of the day and after the long general election campaign, Dems will unite behind our nominee. Regardless of who that nominee is. President McCain and an invasion of Iran requires it.

[OzarkDem]

83. Its our choice to not waste our votes on poor candidates

Our party has forced us to do that too many times in recent years. Time to stand up and take the party back, make it win elections instead of losing them, even if it takes until 2012 to get it done.

[lastliberalintexas]

89. Then you are too old to personally worry about choice or the draft

I am an avowed left wing pinko commie Socialist and I don't care for Obama or Clinton, yet I'll vote for either. I wonder why supposed big d Democrats can't do the same?

[OzarkDem]

90. Yep

We fought hard for women's rights, secure futures and to elect good Dems who bring peace and prosperity. If you all feel like throwing that away, go ahead. You'll find its not as easy to accomplish as you think. But the only way you seem willing to learn is to lose it and regain it on your own.

That's your choice, not mine.

[ekwhite]

113. We?

You seem to think that only Hillary supporters fought for those things. I campaigned for McGovern in 1972, marched against the War in Central America and against Reagan's nuclear buildup in the 1980's, and even supported the Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996. I believe there are plenty of those on the Obama side of things who have fought the good fight.

[anonymous171]

39. They aren't democrats then.

Hopefully McCain overturns Roe v Wade. That should shock them back to the 310 users of His44 back to their senses.

[roguevalley]

85. and you are making it up as you go or you would show a poll.

delusional.

[opihimoimoi]

34. This is bull crap....Obama gonna wipe the floor with McSame...

The evidence of GOP Malfeasance is OVERWHELMING.....the GOP/McSame's one last hope is to kill off Hillary(almost accomplished) and run a neg campaign on Obama....

Neg Campaigns and the GOP go together...thats all they do....

Might work this time too...so they wish....

I suspect, this time, they will FAIL.

The Masses are hurting mostly due to the GOP and their pet Prez...the HURT is such that a solution is desired/demanded....that solution is to remove the cause of the HURT...which is the GOP.

The Greedy GOP Gatta go....

The Dems must vote in MASSIVE Numbers...enough to make it steal proof.

[jefferson_dem]

40. The OP had an Obama avatar like a month ago. Now it's Hillary. Next month...

who will it be?

[Hippo_Tron]

59. I think his avatar will probably look something like this

[opihimoimoi]

62. Very Suspicious.....I wonder why????

[TahitiNut]

72. Well... d'oh!

As a Michigander who lives "below the bridge" (Mackinaw), I know trolls when I see 'em. :silly:

(Come to think of it, I lived "below the bridges" (Golden Gate and Bay) when I lived in Callyfohnya, too.) :rofl:

[Bleacher Creature]

35. A Moonie Times Article that Cites McCain's RNC liaison and Reagan's political director.

I'm SHOCKED that people aren't convinced by it. Shocked I tell you!

[quaker bill]

44. Washington Times

Always best to go to the moonie source.

The first glaring mistake here is the notion that Barack's base is among more mature caucasians limited to "secular liberals". Absolutely none of the exit polling indicates this. If Barack's base was as limited as they or you say it is, he would already be back in the Senate.

The holes in your argument are fairly glaring as well. I know the Hillbots love to stereotype Obama supporter as blacks and latte liberals, but there just aren't enough of them to win a nomination.

I am no latte liberal. I would bet I was off working for progressive causes when you were voting for Reagan, given you were of age.

Here is the reason why your side lost. You actually thought that elections are won on resume's. If that was the case, we would be talking about replacing President Gore. John Kerry had a "great resume'", it did not help.

Hillary said "consider it as a hiring decision". Well, I hire people all the time, and guess what, the resume is a nearly pointless exercise. In fact, I no longer take them. Performance at the interview is all that truly matters. I can teach the relevant job skills, but I cannot easily teach character and judgement. The interview is an assessment of character and judgement.

Here is another concept to bang about in your befuddled Hillbot head. Presidents are hired to deal with things that no one has ever dealt with before. There is no relevant experience applicable to this job. What relevant experience is there for dealing with the Soviet Government failing and still in possession of 10,000 nuclear weapons that are pointed in our direction? There simply is none. What relevant experience is there for cleaning up the mess GWB will leave behind? (And don't tell me about the mess GHWB left behind, as it pales by comparison)

All you have to go on is character and judgement. Hillary voted for IWR, a clear demonstration of sorry judgement, and when it actually mattered. She answered the 3am phone call, rather poorly. The interview has concluded and your candidate came up lacking.

[NJSecularist]

50. The only states he has won since March 4th are Vermont, Mississippi, North Carolina and Oregon.

Vermont and Oregon have significant latte liberal populations and Mississippi and North Carolina have significant black populations.

Blacks and latte liberals: that is his base right now. That is not a base that wins an election.

[roguevalley]

87. stuff your comments about Oregon in your rear. Amazing how you

hate Americans. Amazing how you emulate your QUEEN and her dismissive commentary about states that kicked her to the curb. I cannot wait until you are tombstoned, you and your HALLELUJAH! chorus of dead enders.

[Kool Kitty]

114. Blacks and latte liberals.

Really got those repub talking points down.

[cliffordu]

45. Some see OP mired in bullshit, film at 11

[Arugula Latte]

46. Bwa ha ha! And we all know that the GOP press only tells the truth, with no spin or distortion.

:rofl:

Jesus! How desperate are you to post this crap?!

[Hippo_Tron]

52. ZOMG you said the magic word "McGovern-Esque"

And you get extra points because your source is the Moonie Times.

[Yael]

54. Jlake comes to mind. Wonder how he/she is doing these days

;)

[Gore1FL]

95. Probably

still celebrating Hillary's victory in Mississippi

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4922132

[Yael]

96. That one is a classic.

:D

[ladjf]

58. Good political rule #1: Ignore what the opposing party is saying

about your candidates.

[Saturday]

60. BO will have a tough fight in the GE that is for sure.

Along with losing Ohio and Florida I have my doubts about him carrying PA and MI too.

[roguevalley]

88. read. Even Rendell said Obama would carry Penn. in the GE. Jeez.

[Chulanowa]

73. What is WITH people rooting for the Repubs, if option B is Obama?

Oh, hmmm. Let's THINK...

[mikehiggins]

82. Oh, jeeze? The Washington TIMES? As in Reverend Moon?

Are you serious?

[chascarrillo]

86. Wow. Clinton supporters are reduced to referring to white supremacist newspapers.

Brilliant!

[Why Syzygy]

91. I'm outside the base. I don't fall into any of those demographics.

Actually I'm supposed to be part of Hillary's base.

btw . that's the Moonie Times. It's not a reliable source.

[boobooday]

92. Catch the GOP fever - McCain style, baby!

Can you feel the excitement?

NO?

NO?

no?

[Leftist Agitator]

93. Hey! How is my favorite neighborhood Hillarite feeling today?

Dejected perhaps? Because Queen Hillary, Her Royal Clintonness, holder of the sacred Chalice of Fail is kicking a dead horse's dessicated bones?

Oh, you sad, pathetic Hillarites...

Try not to commit seppuku when the, um, INEVITABLE comes to pass. Perhaps the bunch of you can form a support group, though I hesitate to imagine the drooling, foaming-at-the-mouth, and gnashing of teeth that would undoubtedly ensue.


"How to kick Hillary without even trying", or something to that end. That's what you need.

Shit, you'd make millions just off of certain ardent fellow Hillarites. The ones of whom I speak are in dire need of some therapy, post-haste.

Oh, and by the way?

P.S. She lost. GET OVER IT!!!

[VotesForWomen]

97. you spoke the truth, but nevermind. nt

[Hawkeye-X]

101. Now you're quoting Moonie Times?

You're still delusional and even going to the 9th circle of hell.

[mkultra]

103. thanks for keeping us up to date on the GOP perspective

Let your freeper buddies know that you did another one.

[smiley_glad_hands]

105. LOLZ. They are afraid just as you are. eom

[mkultra]

107. troll

[avenger64]

108. Great post ...

... shows what awaits us - '72, McGovern all over again.

Senator Clinton - take it to the convention!

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Thank you for your concern.

You get extra points for using the phrase "latte liberal".

Did you know? There have been several highly regarded demographic studies done showing beyond a doubt that anyone using the phrase latte liberal is what is known as, in the scientific lexicon, an "asshole".

[ekwhite]

111. Hmmm - the Moonie Times, now there's a good source

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

How's that working out for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f08clPMODw8

[Gore1FL]

116. Yes We Can