I hate to point this out to the Clinton Supporters

[nadinbrzezinski]

but most people do NOT, I repeat this.... DO NOT... pay this much attention to politics

When the elections in november come around, and the choice is between four more years or.... Obama... most RATIONAL people will vote for Obama...

Why? He has a D behind his name

Most folks know the difference between a General Election and a Primary.

I have to wonder if the Clinton HARD CORE supporters get this at ALL?

By the way... MOST OF US RATIONAL FOLK know that this is now a General Election

This means you line up.

Here are your choices come November

Vote for the Democratic Party Nominee, regardless of who that person is... even if that is NOT your primary candidate

Vote for the Republican Candidate... McCain

Vote Third Party

Write in YOUR PRIMARY Candidate

Or STAY HOME

Those are your choices. It does not matter how much you stamp feet and make my cockatiel look a mature human being, and boy he does throw tanter tantrums. I wonder if HE should be the one registered to vote at this point!

JEEESSUUSS AGE, can't you guys get it? It is OVER.

The Math AIN'T there...

Time to put YOUR COUNTRY ahead of your primary candidate!

[Blue_State_Elitist]

1. Yep.

The voters are rational, just look at 2004. psh

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. I also hate to point this out but 2004 was stolen (in OH, Cuyahooga CO)

to be specific.

There is more, the DEMOCRATIC party did NOT CHOOSE to fight it, and for that they will have to live in the history books as a bunch of cowards

There were other critical places where this was stolen

After all, you forget, there are STATE elections, not a NATIONAL election

(and yes, we have some of those crooks now in charge of MY county's electoral system... the things that should get you to go HMMM)

[patrice]

22. And according to Bob Woodward, HC pressured Edwards to urge Kerry not to challenge the Ohio vote. nt

[BlooInBloo]

4. Which is why Obama is enlarging the voter base.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Time to put THEIR COUNTRY ahead of their primary candidate?

That's gonna be a difficult transition!

Like Hillary said back in 2004....during the primaries, you fall in love, but during the General Election, you fall in line.

Said at the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, 2004.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I suspect she will fall in line, and most of her hard core supporters will

as well... all pissing in the wind and moaning non-withstanding.

And I hate to use this language, but JEEEESSUSSS AGE.. enough already!

[papau]

19. I agree most will fall in line - but the 10% that do not will perhaps win the race for McCain

But at least Obama will please his fans by not having Hillary on the ticket.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Depends... if the RNC succeeds in the voting supression efforts, you are right

and boy they are doing a good job

If they don't, and we have the number of folks show up at the GE that have shown up during the primaries, it will not even be close

After all, more than one state has had more voters in this primary, than last GE.

Just a little factoid there

Oh and I am sure some of the Clinton Hard Core supporters are looking forth to 2012

A) I don't know if the country will be around, yes that dramatic

B) In the modern system you get one byte at the apple

[PoliticalAmazon]

86. Bob Barr will drain votes from McCain. Barr is really a Goldwater....

Republican. It's the GOP that has wandered from its roots.

For Republicans who believe in the old-school ways, Barr's loathing of the GOP's invasion of our rights to privacy and taking hostage of states' rights (making the federal government all powerful) is met with a huge sigh of relief.

I doubt any Democrat voters will vote for Barr, but I bet you LOTS of GOP voters will.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. I suspect she will fall in line, and most of her hard core supporters will

as well... all pissing in the wind and moaning non-withstanding.

And I hate to use this language, but JEEEESSUSSS AGE.. enough already!

[baldguy]

5. And anything other than "A" supports McCain.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. In my personal view voting third party is your choice

and we need third parties like a bad dream, but that is a matter for another thread.

(Also it is third parties that first push agendas the two main parties shy away from)

[baldguy]

16. We're stuck with a 2-party system

because our laws only allows winner-take-all elections. Change the Constitution, I'll start voting for third partys, Until then...

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I'll remind you that the greatest of all Progressive programs

(New Deal) didn't start with the Democratic Party'

So far that is their role.

[rug]

9. I would never have realized this if you didn't point it out.

GDP is really getting stale.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Gotten

[OzarkDem]

10. Winning hearts and minds

:rofl:

Good candidates know how to win a primary without dividing Dems. Obama made his choice, he has to live with it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. One Candidate, WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON

the most recent candidate to enter the general election with a weak following (and I might remind you the party elders didn't expect a victory either in 1992... trust me "kid" you don't want to go there)

May I remind you who WON in 1992?

Of course I could go and dig the rest of the history of the republic, but I think you were given that history lesson already.

[OzarkDem]

21. and Obama is no Clinton

Good luck getting him elected.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I know he doesn't have your vote

I realize that.

But you are NOT every voter in this country

Sorry to point this out

[OzarkDem]

28. Clinton is polling ahead of McCain

Obama is losing to him. Tell us again how he's going to win all those voters when Clinton is beating him against McCain.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107488/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Maintains-Lead-Over-McCain.aspx

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. It is May

you can read a calendar, can't you?

[OzarkDem]

35. Learn the hard way, then

You can't win elections by insulting voters then asking for their support. Obama's tendency to do this has made him unlikeable and untrustworthy.

His obstacles are insurmountable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. I could have made the same argument in 1992

for bill clinton and HRC was WAAAYYY ahead in the polls when this started

I can read polls and a calendar.

By the way Carter was also way behind Ford when the race started....

And FDR wasn't polling well either.

See where this is going?

The only poll that truly matters is the election...

Of course I cannot look much father back since we have a little problem... polls are a relatively recent phenomema

[Drunken Irishman]

49. So how does Clinton expect to win the nomination and the presidency by insulting Obama's supporters?

You know, by saying they're basically two-bit elitist blacks?

Your own candidate has alienated a huge chunk of the party with her bullshit and that's actually shit she spews. I've never heard Obama pass off her supporters as racist or unimportant like Clinton has over the past few months.

God sometimes I wonder if you even think before you post, Ozark.

[muryan]

77. Hillary was up by 20-25 points 6 months before the primaries started

What is McCain up by? Half the polls have him up in the margin of error, the other half for Obama. 6 months to go

[wileedog]

68. Thank goodness. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

14. haha, good one!

I love how it's not Obama supporters who want to leave the party and vote McCain, no it's you guys! And yet you'll tell me with a straight face it's Obama who's divided the party. Based on what? Because he had the audacity to actually go against Queen Hillary?

I'll join you in a laugh!

:rofl:

[baldguy]

90. Just another DINO McCain supporter.

[Bleacher Creature]

33. How the hell did Obama divide anyone?

Seriously, that argument makes NO sense. If anything, he's been way more deferential to the Clinton campaign than it deserves. Only one campaign has been classifying the party into disparate groups, using terms like "eggheads," "elites" and "latte liberals," and it's not Obama's.

(Actually, I mean two campaigns -- if you count McCain.)

[mkultra]

67. troll

[D23MIURG23]

88. That or they don't have cutthroat competitors who would rather sink the party

than admit defeat.

[cloudythescribbler]

13. You'd think the repukes R going down this year, but NEVER underestimate the MSM's power to confuse

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I don't either, but with "allies" like these ones

you don't need many enemies.

And I fear some of these hard core folks are going to do some of the heavy lifting for the media

And the only one that wins is one John McCain...

(and the very rich of course)

[papau]

17. Nope - not really - many rational Dems that support Hil will stay home so that the DNC knows the

sexism it allowed in the 08 campaign can not occur again. Indeed many rational Dems believe the way Obama has had his staff treat the Clintons - planting smears and lies - deserves a no vote - indeed some feel it deserves a vote for McCain. To many it is more important that the Starbucks/college crowd/AA alliance to treat Hillary so poorly must be punished so it does not happen again.

The final nail will be Obama not putting Hillary on the ticket as VP if he is nominated for Pres. I'm hearing I hope just angry reaction votes for McCain - but it may well be a realignment of the parties that is beginning because some have concluded they can not trust them Dem party "partners".

It will be interesting to see if Obama is interested in unity, or is into pleasing the Obama fans desire to toss Hillary - and with her many of her supporters - out of the party.

Sadly it appears Obama getting Hillary to say all is forgiven and just support Obama (which is what she will say will no prompting)- which is the screw Hill as VP because we don't need to make the offer position - will only get about 90% of her supporters back on the bus (I know the polls say 50 to 75% of her supporters will not support Obama but I expect vast majority will vote Obama in the end). That 10% that will be missing - many voting for McCain - will make what should be a Dem blowout into a very close race if Obama choses to run without Hillary on his ticket.

But at least the DU Hillary haters will be Happy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. No they won't

I'll grant you that a slightly larger percentage of Primary partisans will stay home or vote for McCian.. but most folks don't pay this much attention. What is more, most of them will vote for the democratic candidate.

I know in many people's realities you'd like to think that indeed this is what will happen, but most folks don't know who the number three man was in the race for President. And they know Obama and Clinton thanks to the media

Ask most people in the street how many Dems and how many Republicans ran, and I can bet they don't know


Hell, ask most folks HERE how many candidates are still officially running for the RNC (Yes Ron Paul has not withdrawn yet, he is still running) and they don't know either

That my friend IS reality.

[Swamp Rat]

41. Those who stay home or vote for McNuts, are they themselves insane.

nuts

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. I would not go that far

as to call them crazy... or irrational

Angry yes

Bitter, absolutely

And also the other reality is that some folks are wearing their misogyny (in one case) and their racism (in the other) on their sleeves

I ain't blind, and that will also have an effect during the GE... and I hope it is minor

[Swamp Rat]

52. Condemning another 4,000 American soldiers and millions of Iraqis/Iranians

to their deaths is the epitome of crazy.

There is no other way to put it. Repeating the same mistakes, which caused so much death and misery, IS insane. To let the crazy repukes back into the White House is more than just stupid. I'd vote for Bill Clinton's penis before letting McNuts into the White House... we must not let him get near the Big Red Button. We are very lucky to have survived thus far, with Bushler in power, without going thermonuclear. Bushler is a conniving, sniveling, STUPID frat-boy - McCain is crazy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. I also understand the POLITICAL reality

if the election is clean and we both know the RNC is hard at work... to disenfranchise et al, the number of folks who had an active role in the Primary system tells me that in the GE the Repukes will loose... it is the numbers who have gone to the polls that must be scaring the living daylights out of them.

Now reality is that I don't expect an election to occur... but that is me.

Partly because nobody builds a police state to walk away from it...

And they know they will loose

Can you say Iran?

But we both have had this conversation before

What is nuts is that people still think that this matters this much and are not paying attention to the signs of what is truly going on.

Hell, with global warming and the end of the age of oil, this will be a footnote in history I fear.

But I will not go as far as to call bitter and angry people (who in some cases might be wearing racism and misogyny on their sleeves,) nuts... and I fully understand why you are.

[Swamp Rat]

60. Well, we do agree on most things, but I am not giving up without a fight.

Even if it means being a little abrasive to my Hillary and Obama supporting friends here. I have family and friends in the military who are counting on me to bring them home. I am not saying Hillary supporters, in particular, are crazy, but I will consider them so if they REFUSE to vote for the opposition to the war machine come this November.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. A few will not vote for the Democratic candidate

it happens every year. A few get angry because their candidate didn't make it

Reality is that it is a very small percentage.

In 2000 it was enough to make it damn close

So was in 2004 (OH and Florida also helped with the massive disenfranchisement)

The battle is not here with the Hillary supporters (and I wish the Democratic Party got it)

It is at the local registrar of voters and the Secretary of State offices

I am almost betting Indiana is in play now... because of the new ID law that the USSC said was legal

And Missisisipi is about to pass a law where you need to show your passport or birth cert to vote (thanks Malloy for alerting me on this one) So while the kids fight here, that is what the RNC is up to... and those are the obvious and well known ones

Oh and California.. guess where the folks from Cuyahooga Co went after 2004?

Can you say San Diego? I knew you could... they want to bring Cali in play.

And no, I am not going down without a fight either. My hubby's shipmates are still out there.

[Swamp Rat]

37. No rational Dem would stay home. Those who do must not care about their own families,

friends, neighbors, pets, trees, city, state, country, planet, or themselves.

Or, after everything that has happened in the past 8 years, they must have gone completely insane.

[jbm]

64. there is also a 'write in Hillary movement'..

There won't be enough people choosing that option to give Hillary a win, but some will choose that option to express their displeasure with the presidential choices.

[Donkeykick]

20. Look.

I'm a Clinton supporter. But I know that he has this thing, OK? I'm voting for him in November, too! Now, why don't you quit pissing off Clinton people before they DO choose to stay home in November, OK? Try a thread on why McSame is not the man for the job; that will be fantastic therapy for you.

Unless you're frightened about something more than math, of course.

(Think about this: you're the one that started the thread, so why worry? I mean, you're not worried, right? Please say that you're not worried. Because if you're worried than I'm going to worry, then we'll make everyone else worry. And after all of that, is this really worth it in the end--especially since Barack Obama has this?)

There now. Wasn't that better? Have a nice night. :toast:

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Do you want links to all the threads threatening to stay home or vote for McCain?

That is why?

And I am an Edwards Supporter, so you know and just like you I will vote for Obama in the General Election

[Donkeykick]

50. Keep on baiting them...

and see how many more threads you get.

Those threads don't scare me; what scares me is if there are any Democrats that are going to stay home because of them.

Think about that. :hurts:

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. There is a SMALL percentage of folks who will stay home

perhaps a tad larger than usual.

See the number of folks who voted in the primaries

Have you seen the numbers?

In several of the states those numbers are WELL ABOVE 2004 General Election

Do you think most of those folks will stay home?

And do you honestly believe most of them will vote for McCain?

There is a percentage, Op Chaos and all

But what I posted as an OP is the political reality... most folks will vote for the D, since they have something at stake in the GE... since they VOTED in the primary

You can go look at history for this

In many ways this is NOT 1968... even if in some limited ways it is

[Donkeykick]

55. nadin:

lets hope so. Good health to you! :toast:

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Same to you

We SHOULD be clinking champagne glasses in November


:toast:

[SoCalDem]

26. and for many? the lady, the black guy or the old scary guy

:P

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Very true... hell I have heard exactly those words in the supermarket

[L0oniX]

27. You don't really hate to point this out to Clinton supporters do you?

:evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Well, apparently yes, and damn it as an EDWARDS supporter, it is sad I have to

:-)

[ruby slippers]

29. and gas is supposed to be 5.00 a gallon by mid July...that will help with

the D come voting time....

[nadinbrzezinski]

I heard seven dollars by the end of the year

I am looking at a bike

[ruby slippers]

47. we got two and also a mini scooter. works nice!

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Actually at one I'll have to pedal

I can use the exercise and damn it the price of gas will force us to PARK the truck... and just use the Hybrid

So I need a bike...

[ruby slippers]

54. are you in the South? Because in the winter it might get cold biking? HOpe

you don't have hills, either.

We are in Florida and even in winter it gets kinda cold on that scooter....

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. So Cal

and yes winter it gets cold and rainy, and at that time will have to split car... but looking at our gas budget, it's gone up, by quite a bit

And we don't drive that much... especially the truck

[ruby slippers]

61. that's good. just pity those poor people in the Northeast....they

don't have much choice in winter...

I don't have a hybrid yet, but looking at one in August when the oil pension starts....for now I drive a Saturn and it isn't all that bad. And, hubby gets his van filled from work....for now....but when he retires, I told him...scooter it!

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. BRRR.... I know that this is not my preferred choice but I was looking at

kids playing the other day... and if Peak Oil is as bad as some are predicting, they will need to ride horses

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. I heard seven dollars by the end of the year

I am looking at a bike

[OzarkDem]

38. Clap harder

and keep clicking those ruby slippers and maybe a miracle will happen.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. It's the economy stupid

didn't Begala come up with that one?

And he was right

[ruby slippers]

45. I'm only clapping because hubby's pension starts in August and

it is from an oil company (Kendall Motor Oil).....so is that my miracle?

Seriously, even though I reap the harvest on that one, I still feel sorry for others who won't have pensions, let alone afford gas and/or cars....

My new mantra with gas prices...."There's no place like home...there's no place like home..."

[Lost-in-FL]

42. Nice try and i applaud you for that.

but many people here refuse to give up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. They will, five seconds after their candidate drops out

and for the sake of the party I hope soon

[Lost-in-FL]

43. duplicate post

[graycem]

56. Indeed...

At this point he's already won more votes than any candidate in recent elections, even Bill only got a little over 10 million in the '92 primary.

Here's the evidence:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6139595&mesg_id=6139595

[Tatiana]

58. Gas is $4.52 for regular unleaded where I live.

It could hit $5.00 EASY this summer.

GAO has confirmed that billions of dollars (that we borrowed from the Chinese and will have to pay back) has vanished in Bush's Excellent Adventure in Iraq.

I took the liberty of contacting my county officials. The foreclosures in my area are through the roof. I've counted twelve "For Sale" signs in yards nearby. There are a lot more "For Sale By Owner" signs down the road.

This nation is FUBAR. We can't afford to let egos and hurt feelings get in the way of taking care of business. The business is removing the right-wing strangehold on our government. The have infiltrated the Justice Department. The Supreme Court is on the verge of overturning Roe V Wade. Our legislature is in a precarious position and we are unable to implement any sort of progressive agenda at this time.

I repeat, this nation is FUBAR. It will take two terms at least simply to pull ourselves out of this hole we find ourselves in. McCain is selecting his VP. We're still fiddling around pretending there is some chance for one Democrat to actually get the nomination.

It's time to end the madness. McCain must be defeated.

[ruby slippers]

62. we drove through a little inland town in NE Florida and it was

only 3.87....I had to do a doubletake.....

BTW, gas up at stations with old pumps (not the digital kind). I saw something tonight that say that they can only set them at 4.00. Something about the way they were made. Most stations are converting, but if you can find one that isn't, their price can only be 4.00

[CoffeeCat]

66. Some of them won't put their country...

...before their failed candidate, because their candidate provides zero leadership
in this area.

She's a selfish, myopic, deluded, very-bizarre person who is inventing her own reality
and presenting it as sane--when, in fact--she's making a complete fool of herself.

She's not a leader. She's not going to do the right thing.

She's out for herself. Period. She will lead her supporters down a rat-hole and the
weak ones will follow her down it--no matter how putrid the stench.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. If history is ANY guide... most will vote for the Dem in November

regardless of all the foot stamping we are seeing.

As I said in the OP... most folks really do not know the ins and outs of this campaign...

They will vote for change and that is not McCain

Some will stay home and some, even of those posting here right now, will indeed vote for McCain... but that will be a very small minority

[Beacool]

69. Whatever..............

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Whatever reality is the one you wish to live

not the one that most of us realize exists

I'll put it to you in words you might grasp

The time to fall in love with your chosen candidate (in my case Edwards) is over

The time to fall in is now

That is why it is called a general election and NOT a primary

[Beacool]

72. I don't like nor support Obama.

I have various reasons for feeling that way, my main one is his inexperience. Having said that, I would vote for him only if Hillary were also on the ticket. Otherwise, I'll consider my options for November. First time in my adult life that I will not automatically vote for the Democratic nominee.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Then here are your options

vote for obama

Vote third party

Vote for McCain

WRITE her in (I hate correctly spelled misspelled words)

Stay home

That's it

As to the inexperience argument, realize many folks made the exact same argument about two other democratic candidates

Jack Kennedy and Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Hell some, albeit a few, made it also about William Jefferson Clinton

And no, I am not saying Obama is either of those people

[Beacool]

75. He's neither of these people.

JFK was in Congress for 14 years.

Clinton was the senior governor of the country in 1992, having been in office for 12 years.

FDR, I can't remember at the moment.

Obama was only 18 months in the US senate before he decided that he was ready to be president. His term in the state senate is frankly irrelevant to me. There are hundreds of state senators and most are not fit to be president.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. FDR was a one term governor

and no he is not any of those people... and we are at one of those moments in US History

The BEST presidents for a crisis, historically, have been young and ahem "inexperienced."

That is US History

Hell I could even cite Lincoln on this one, who also had a similar experience to Obama... he led the country during the civil war

While we have had really "experienced" folks kill the pooch and then some...

I am not saying that he is ready or not, but he is the only choice I have right now. Therefore I will vote for him...

Voting for McCain is crazy... and in my view Edwards was a far better candidate but the voters (and the media) have spoken

So I line up...

I'd rather roll the dice on this kid, than guarantee four more wars with McCain

[Beacool]

82. I knew you were going to mention Lincoln sooner or later.

I don't equate Obama to any of these people, even Clinton.

I see him as an opportunist who knew how to kiss up to the right people to get to where he is today. I find the guy undeserving and ill prepared to handle the job. He might yet get it, but it won't be with my help.

BTW, since I'm his age I don't consider him a "kid". LOL!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. I'm his age too

and yes I had to mention Lincoln, hate that history degree

:-)

There are days

Of course I could also dug hard and gone for Jackson, arguably the exception to the kid and inexperience being elected

But the last seven years, we have seen arguably the worst President in US History (not me, many a historian) not just the modern period

I don't think he'll be followed by a worst disaster! (Unless McCain gets elected)

[Beacool]

85. Well, we'll all follow our conscience.

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. That I agree, we all follow whatever guides us

for me it is my ECONOMIC interest... and a repuke is bad.

Obama or Clinton are slightly better for my pocket book

They are both centrists... but I remind myself, so was ... FDR in the campaign trail, so I hope... and no, not because of Obama's slogan... but because hope is the last ting to die

[JianSay]

73. ha...

[VotesForWomen]

76. you're right, people aren't paying much attention now, and by the time the GE rolls around, the repu

repugs and the MSM will have framed O as an america hating, israel hating, muslim manchurian candidate. and this, my friend, will trump the D behind his name. the democratic party will be screwed and america will be screwed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. Free clue, they will do that if we ran Jesus H Christ

that is the BRUTAL TRUTH

And that will continue until the media is broken up

[VotesForWomen]

81. they'd try, yes, but O just gives them too much material to work with; enough for an already suspici

suspicious, 'terrified' nation to put the dots together and come to the desired conclusion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. It is not Obama, it is the MEDIA

he who controls the media....

That is why they have to be broken up

And by the way, this is partly one of President Clinton's legacy... a media that can do this

(1996 Telecommunications Act)

[billyoc]

78. There are 310 of them.

But it seems like 311. :rofl:

[jespwrs]

89. Vote Democrat, vote Obama

You know, Obama was my fourth choice in the beginning. Hillary was eighth on my list.
As time went on and the nomination process played out, it became clear to me that I would line up with Obama. I know that some Hillary supporters are really disappointed with how things have turned out, and I understand that.

I just wanted to say that I am not frustrated with Hillary because she is still in the race, or because I disagree with her about some issue or anything-it's the endless manipulation and deception that is so frustrating to me. Especially when she is poking holes in the credibility of our nomination process, and thus in any nominee selected that is not her. It's hard for me to understand how you can't be appalled by her behavior. She's just so transparently deceptive and fake it bothers me to no end every time I hear the next press release. I don't think people would feel it so urgent that she leave the race now if she wasn't continuously escalating her rhetoric regarding the moral credibility of the nomination process and thus, any nominee selected that is not her.

She now feels that our process is morally reprehensible and utterly horrible, on par with slavery and universal suffrage? She espouses the greatness of the "popular vote". For those who say the popular vote is the only thing that matters this year, keep in mind the process provides no way of accurately tallying all participants' votes. Also, before you jump on the pop vote bandwagon, keep in mind that the process used has been developed over decades, and there are reasons it is the way it is, many of which are quite good I might add, and Democrats from all states have added input to this process, again, over many decades. {Aside: There are no credible arguments that the MI and FL elections provided a fair chance to any candidate involved and thus are irrelevant. This is so obvious that it warrants no further discussion.} So please, before dismissing the current process consider all the work and all the people's input you are throwing out the window, based on an argument that is so ridiculous, I can't even type it without laughing.

Thanks for listening.(reading I guess).