The Clinton Marriage

[Stephanie]

How does that play in? I think it's always been an assumption among Beltway sophisticates that theirs is a marriage of practicality. He's been supposedly put on a "woman diet" since her campaign began. They maintain separate residences, hers in DC and his in NY.

What is left of that marriage, and is it relevant to what's left of her campaign?










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[MercutioATC]

1. I don't care.

It's between them and it has nothing to do with the election.

[Stephanie]

3. If he were not the former President of the United States, you might be right.

[MercutioATC]

22. How does it have any bearing on this election?

Who cares how they handle their marriage?

[Stephanie]

24. Well, for instance, say that Lynne Cheney was running for president

You don't think it would be relevant to consider her marriage as a factor in her electability?

[MercutioATC]

28. No, why would it be?

I'm really trying to understand why this is an issue for you. What's concerning you about their living arrangements?

[MercutioATC]

31. "I don't care who my President fucks, as long as it isn't me"

I said it when Bill got caught and I'll say it again now.

I. Don't. Care.

[CreekDog]

53. if you don't think the president is fucking us, then i've got news for you

:eyes:

[Radio_Lady]

58. Goodness! If any president is fucking me, I should know about it!

But, then again, perhaps my memory is failing...

I hope to hell you're not talking about President BUSH!

:evilgrin:

[MercutioATC]

77. It was in reference to the Lewinski issue...

...I know that Bush is fucking us, which is why I DO care about him.

[polmaven]

93. You are correct that this (p)resident

is figuratively fucking us. His marriage, however, is between him and his wife, and no one else. The same is true for the Clintons.

[Stephanie]

32. I am tired of being lied to.

Aren't you?

[MercutioATC]

38. Lied to about what? You really care if they have a marriage of convenience?

I'm not saying they do or don't, but why does it make a difference?

[Stephanie]

41. It makes a difference because of the pretense, because of the lying

Because it's all fiction. We've had eight years of that. I'm sick of it.

[MercutioATC]

44. You're certainly entitled to your priorities...I just don't think this is a big deal.

I don't care about the status of their relationship one whit.

[Radio_Lady]

59. What is going on with people? Could you stick with soap operas during the daytime on TV?

This is audacious! Just because they are politicians doesn't mean you need to drum up stuff about their personal lives.

People who are presidents and senators have a right to have any kind of marriage they want (or not).

These people stayed together during a time of turbulence. They came out of it with the appearance of trust put back into it. Maybe they'll last another twenty years together; maybe not.

If this were your sister and brother-in-law, would they get so much scrutiny?

The bewildering mish-mash of this internet forum is so beyond comprehension that I have just really given up.

However, on the issue of someone's marriage -- we are beginning to really fray at the edges and it isn't funny. Gossip is everywhere, innuendo prevails, every person's truth is suspected and then trashed, and it's all supposed to be for something positive? Like winning the White House again?

Here's the white dove of peace. I just hope we haven't shot it dead by November 4.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady

(Married woman, gone through thick and thin -- and some of it was Clinton-thin, folks -- for 35 years and counting.
I'm just glad I didn't have some people like you looking at us with a microscope.)

[marions ghost]

86. It IS a soap!

It's what people ARE basing their votes on...

Many people base their votes on what Jon Stewart and Oprah and Rush and daytime talk shows say.

The media PROMOTES this and it's the only way some people pay any attention at all.

What people thought about Clinton's marriage weighed in a LOT on how people supported, or didn't support her.

Haven't you figured it out yet?

That horse is LONG out of the barn...

[JuniperLea]

90. Well said, Radio Lady

I just don't get why people think they are so entitled.

[Hoof Hearted]

131. Oh LOOK! The Obama's muxt be LYING ABOUT THEIR MARRIAGE, I have photographic "proof"

Just as strong as yours.

[Why Syzygy]

54. A marriage of convenience for what? Running for president?

[MercutioATC]

76. Like I said, it doesn't matter to me.

Arguably, their marriage has helped them both politically, but I don't care.

[Tesha]

71. "I did *NOT* have sex with that woman." "I will never lie to you."

When Bill Clinton absolutely proved, beyond any and all
shadow of a doubt, that he was, in fact, a liar, any
effectiveness of his Presidency was over.

Tesha

[JuniperLea]

91. Men who do these things always lie about them

So what? That has no bearing on anything else he's ever said. Nothing. It was his little head talking. The big head is what ruled the nation.

[Tesha]

112. But once he did this, nobody cared what the big head said.

Because Clinton had lost *ANY* moral ground to
take *ANY* stands. And the Republicans understood
this far better than we did at the time. We should
have encouraged him to resign and allow Gore to
have taken the reins.

Tesha

[yewberry]

2. I don't think we have any place commenting on their personal lives.

I don't want to know, and it's not my business.

[PoliticalAmazon]

13. Considering the fact that Bill sidetracked the nation's agenda for years....

because he put the best interests of his dick ahead of the best interests of this country...

and considering the fact that Bill is already involved with Belinda Stronach...

and considering the fact that Hillary wants to be president...

I think we damned straight have a right to know about his personal business, because NO ONE wants to go through another 4 years of Bill Clinton being investigated for one case of sexual harassment when he starts another affair because of the flash of an intern's thong.

[Why Syzygy]

55. As usual. Concisely stated.

Who's Belinda Stronach? My thinking was that they had to start vetting his women. Know your enemy kind of thing. I don't want another term discussing his shenanigans either. For all intents and purposes, Hillary would be a SINGLE WOMAN living in the Whitehouse. I'm single and of course that's FINE. Just don't try to run my country when your home life is a wreck.

ps..ironically, and cynically, I've always believed that Hillary's *forgiveness* was in large part due to the political future she was promised. SOMEONE promised her. Hasn't that been evident? Ironic, that his dally will end up at least playing a part in her failure to reap the reward he promised.

[Hoof Hearted]

132. I think someone should investigate what is going on in this photo

It's just as good as the "proof" provided above.

THE OBAMA MARRIAGE IS A SHAM! LOOK! HERE'S the PROOF!

[Raejeanowl]

56. What Bill Did Was Stupid, To Be Sure

But mainly what he accomplished with his private member was gift his Republican enemies with more fodder for the opportunity to sidetrack the nation's agenda. And wonder of wonders, he was an amazingly effective and popular president despite all of it.

Prosecuting the sex scandals was the last resort of the touted VRWC, chiefly because they couldn't seem to make anything else they were trying to use to bring the Clintons down, stick. No one outside the closed circles would have known otherwise, which is not an endorsement of the behavior. I think to put the matter in further perspective for you, JFK, RFK and MLK were all reputed (more than reputed, but I'm downplaying the dirty talking points) philanderers.

Getting back to Clinton, let's try to keep the facts of that era (eight years, if I may point out) straight and not re-write them to the Clinton's further disadvantage. Applying the same ridiculously invasive rules, we should also fully vet the truth or falsehood of the Obama gay rumors, or insist upon DNA tests for the two little girls, or run a video investigation of Michelle's outings with "the girls."

Finally, I have to ask - where were you and what were you doing during those years? Were you even an adult at the time? Because you certainly don't seem to have a solid base of information shaping your opinions about that era.

(edit: punctuation)

[Stephanie]

74. Considering his billionaire playboy pals...

Pages 103 and 104: Clinton and Ron Burkle, the supermarket magnate, have been buddies since 1992. Felsenthal repeats the old rumor that "Burkle and Clinton are … partners in philandering." She also quotes an unnamed source alleging that "Burkle and Clinton spend time together doing things that Hillary would not want made public" and reports that Burkle calls his private plane "Fuck Jet."

Page 109: In addition to Burkle, Clinton spends much of his downtime with Miami businessman Philip Levine, billionaire money manager Jeffrey Epstein, and movie producer Stephen Bing. An unnamed source told Felsenthal, "Stephen Bing epitomizes that crowd. Clinton's still very much a skirt chaser and these guys in Hollywood are movers and shakers. Stephen Bing rich, young guy on the loose with power … who is bedding every broad. … That really appeals to Clinton."

***

Page 109: Off the golf course, Felsenthal has no doubt that Clinton still fools around. An unnamed source claims that Clinton "has done some things that are wildly inappropriate, even after Monica Lewinsky, even after he's trying to become this venerable sage of American politics, he still does it. He's just fundamentally flawed."

Pages 224-226: Felsenthal repeats the tabloid rumor that Clinton dated Belinda Stronach, a Canadian heiress and former member of the Canadian parliament. She doesn't have any irrefutable evidence, but she quotes Eric Reguly of the Globe and Mail as saying, "Bill Clinton was very much a part of life." Per Reguly, Clinton was attracted to Stronach because she's rich, attractive, and at one point had a chance to become prime minister of Canada.

Page 226: Never wary of spreading blatantly unsubstantiated gossip, Felsenthal says vaguely, "Closer to home, rumors persisted about a married woman, a neighbor in a woodsy, hilly village north of Chappaqua."

Page 217: So he cheats, but what's his technique? Felsenthal has the scoop from a woman who had seen him around Hollywood. "olding your hand just a little too long, putting the hand on your back, ah, just a little too long."

http://www.slate.com/id/2190632/

[marions ghost]

87. yes

the state of Hillary's marriage enters into it because of what we have already been through. Absolutely.

[polmaven]

94. Bill didn't sidetrack anything!

It was the Republicans and Ken Starr who did that.

[msallied]

129. And if you don't leave food lying around, you won't have an insect problem. Get it?

[polmaven]

135. Sure you will...

When the "insects" are more like vultures.

[JerseygirlCT]

101. But that's about Bill's behavior and character - not about the nature

of their relationship.

You get close to seeming to say that H. Clinton is somehow complicit in her husband's horrid behavior, and I've never been able to accept that one.

His behavior while he was president, hers and his while they are campaigning - absolutely for public consumption. What they say matters.

But what goes on between them in private, the nature of their relationship, whether it's a love-filled or loveless, or something in between marriage? Just not our business, I think.

[LisaM]

115. CLINTON sidetracked the nation's agenda? Try Grover Norquist,

Ted Olson, the Arkansas Project, and a complicit Republican congress.

[msallied]

130. Try the fact that Clinton gave them plenty to chew on.

[tammywammy]

4. They look very lovely there together

That first pic is very nice.


And no, their marriage has no bearing on her campaign.

[AuntPatsy]

Nice post, wading through the other trash yours pleasantly surprised me.

[Stephanie]

8. Except that he's out there campaigning for her every day

And if she made it, he'd be back in the White House, But, um, it's none of my business. Ok.

[AuntPatsy]

12. I assume you believe that JFK was a horrific man as well and his wife a fool

and that their private affairs should have been first page fodder and anyone mourning his horrific passing foolish?

[Stephanie]

18. Jackie never ran for president

As far as I know.

[Hoof Hearted]

133. Oh LOOK! The Obama's must be LYING ABOUT THEIR MARRIAGE, I have photographic "proof"

OMIGOD! They like totally lied and everything.

[PoliticalAmazon]

20. JFK didn't have affairs with employees or interns, and was not investigated

for sexual harassment for his solicitation of a blow-job from a state employee when he was governor of Arkansas...and, during that investigation, started another affair with a freaking INTERN at the WH.

JFK never flat-out lied to the American people, and lied under oath during an investigation of sexual harassment, about his conduct with employees and interns.

Finally, Jackie Kennedy did not buy off, with her own money, one of JFK's women.

You might want to try again with a more accurate comparsion. This current one stinks.

[qijackie]

36. how do you know?

[AuntPatsy]

43. LOL exactly, back then the secret service ensured he was left alone

and many sources claim they were made to get women for him, could you imagine what people would do to him in today's society? Talk about crucification, he would have never ever held the status he does today though he was as a president, and leader one of the very very finest..

[Radio_Lady]

61. Ted Sorenson (his advisor and speechwriter was just on TV)...

He's promoting his book "Councilor."

He said that pretty much everybody knew that JFK did not keep the sanctity of his marriage vows.

But he didn't make any judgement on JFK, saying only that he and President Kennedy were politically involved, but not socially involved.

There is a difference, you know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Perhaps You Should Ignore Her...Hate Has Clouded Her Judgement

"No Discernible Duties. The two often turned up in the presidential entourage when Kennedy was traveling. Although assigned no discernible duties, they were with Kennedy in Nassau when he met Macmillan to discuss cancellation of the Skybolt missile program, at Yosemite Park when he plugged conservation measures, at Palm Beach when he was vacationing. They usually were assigned quarters near the President and were code-named "Fiddle" and "Faddle" by the Secret Service."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945440-2,00.html

[Beacool]

100. Boy are you uninformed!!!!!

I guess you never heard of two women nicknamed Flim and Flam. Find out who they were and where they regularly had sex with Kennedy.

He never had affairs with employees......Too funny!!

:rofl:

[NashVegas]

122. No, He Just Fucked Movie Stars and Then Invited Them to Sing "Happy Birthday" at Madison Sq Garden

There's an old tale about Jackie leading a French journalist on a tour through the White House. As they passed some anti-room, she said to the reporter, in the French language, "and this is the woman it's said my husband is having an affair with."

JFK never *had* to lie about his affairs to the American people because his affairs were always protected by the press and other politicians.

[tammywammy]

19. Um, yeah, their marriage is no business of ours

:shrug:

I don't really care if Bill Clinton is sleeping with a different woman every night. It's none of my business.

[Why Syzygy]

57. So, you're in favor of a *single* Hillary living alone in the Whitehouse?

[tammywammy]

72. I'd have no problem with that

:shrug:

[Lilith Velkor]

83. Two words

Secret Service. :evilgrin:

[polmaven]

98. What???

:shrug:

[polmaven]

96. Thank you, tammy...

You are showing a lot of bravery wading into the abyss here!

[tammywammy]

105. No bravery needed

But thanks for the compliment.

Stupid is stupid. Why don't we start a thread on John Edwards $400 hair cut or large mansion those are just as silly. Their marriage is their business.

[question everything]

5. None of your business

Every marriage is different, including yours - if you are married - and every marriage evolves over the years.

Would you comment on the marriage of any other candidate? What about Kucinich with his trophy wife?

And this, too, is sexist. You would not analyze a marriage of a male candidate. But with Hillary, her hair, her clothes, her cleavage, even her pant suit is a fodder for discussion.

[Why Syzygy]

60. You don't think Cindy McClone's private 501c drug cartel is worth mentioning?

[polmaven]

102. And yet another..

What? :shrug:

[Hippo_Tron]

6. Good Lord this is like the 7th thread tonight

[highplainsdem]

7. Inquiring minds want to know. Let us know what the tabloids tell you.

Editing to add a :sarcasm: smilie, lest this be misunderstood.

[AlCzervik]

9. it's not my business and i have no business commenting on the state of their marriage.

as they have no business commenting on mine.

[AspenRose]

126. Agreed.

.

[msallied]

10. Even if too many people here are afraid to "go there" because they like to think they

are above such things, I can assure you that a larger chunk of America will be looking, especially with the "family values" voters step up to the polls.

[AlCzervik]

16. so let them, doesn't mean we have to go along with it.

[msallied]

26. Even if you don't want to go along with it.

Millions will, like it or not.

[AlCzervik]

34. like i said, let them, but i will not.

[Stephanie]

17. I found these photos provocative.

What is really going on there? I think I have a right to know, if she'd like to be the POTUS.

[msallied]

30. Personally they could be having orgies in the Lincoln Bedroom for all I care.

But people who think these sorts of things aren't going to matter are being willfully obtuse.

[polmaven]

106. I'm sorry..

You found the photos "provocative"?

Um...Huh?

[leftynyc]

111. You need a hobby

if you find those photos provocative. Just sayin.

[jsmirman]

21. 1) she's not going to be running for anything 2) this just isn't necessary

nm

[msallied]

29. You're right about one thing, for sure. Is it necessary? No, but since when

has THAT been a qualifier? lol

[jsmirman]

33. I think we just need to focus on how absurd her campaign is and how wretched

she has shown herself to be. Nothing else needs be said and it just doesn't seem helpful.

[msallied]

37. Oh I agree completely. I don't need any further convincing that the Clintons

are without values, morals, or scruples. lol

[Muttocracy]

11. Not helpful. nt

[Stephanie]

46. To whom? n/t

[ruby slippers]

14. the comment right afer Monica sticks with me. She said to him...

"What do you think you are doing?" and the way she said it was that they had a "partnership" for him to be President and then she would rise up and he wasn't thinking about that. I don't think she gave a darn about his infidelity...I just think she knew then that it might ruin her chances and she had to remind him. Had it been me it happened to, I would have said something more strongly.

And, when she cried this year, I think it is because she knew then that her dream might not happen and what she has had to endure, not because she felt empathy for whatever she was saying. I think it is the first time that it hit her that she stuck with him and got slapped down in the end....

I imagine after this they will still maintain private residences....

[scarletwoman]

15. I don't care. Their marriage is their business. Obviously they are a DC power couple.

Nothing unusual about that. The power elites have ALWAYS had marriages that are business/power arrangements.

Are we supposed to believe that all these reptilians are paired up solely due to romantic love, as opposed to cold-blooded calculation? That's just silly.

sw

[NanceGreggs]

23. None of my beeswax. n/t

[Stephanie]

27. I don't like being lied to.

[NanceGreggs]

40. As disappointed as I am in the Clintons these days ...

... and make that very disappointed, their personal lives, together or separately, are none of my business. Just as my personal life is none of theirs.

Did he lie? Yes. He lied in answer to a question that no one had any right to ask.

[Stephanie]

42. That's not the lie I'm talking about

It's the current lie, the one where a former President is married to a current Senator and they are together and campaigning for her election to the WH. I think it's fictional, for the cameras, and I think we have a right to the truth from someone who would like to have the WH.

[EFerrari]

47. Lying or acting? Check this out. Kearns Goodwin had this to say

about the "good cop, bad cop" act they seemed to be doing in January of this year:

MS. GOODWIN: You know, I heard you guys last night talking about the good cop, bad cop thing, and to some extent that reminisces about RFK and JFK. But it's different. I mean, when JFK--there's a wonderful moment when JFK's on a porch in the White House, and a Southern senator comes up to him and says, "I'm going to have to attack you on these civil rights," he says, "Oh, no, don't do that. Can't you attack Bobby, instead?" So to some extent he's playing the role of the guy who attacks, whereas Hillary can then be above the fray. The difference was that Bobby was an inside player, he wasn't a public spokesman. And everything that Bill Clinton says is on the air.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22754999/page/3/

I think when you say "marriage", most of these posters are only thinking sex. But, there's obviously much more to the partnership than that.

[marions ghost]

104. I keep going back to the fact

that so many voters in THIS primary have based their votes for (or against) Hillary on how she handled her marriage after that egregious public flailing and impeachment. Therefore this is a factor in Hillary's campaign that is not somehow beyond discussion.

And the fact that Bill comes back into the White House with her is also a consideration. People can say they don't have any interest in their private life, but OTHERS (Republicans, media vultures, political enemies) certainly DO. I have so little interest in their private lives I'd like SOME assurance that it would NOT be a factor in a "Clintons Return to the White House" story.

I agree with you Stephanie...it can't be a taboo subject. Uncharted territory really...have never had these circumstances ever.

[Beacool]

107. OK, enough already!!!

You obviously don't know the Clintons. If you saw them interact outside the glare of the cameras you would realize the B.S. of your thread. They may have an unusual marriage, but there's plenty of love there. They form a very close knit family along with Chelsea. Attack one and the other two will jump in his/her defense. You also have never seen Hillary's eyes light up when she talks about Bill or Chelsea.

Leave the speculation on their marriage to the RW and the pundits.

[polmaven]

108. You "think" it's fictional

so that constitutes a lie?.....The state of their marriage is absolutely none of our business unless she or he is running for Sainthood. Even then.....questionable.

[NanceGreggs]

117. Nope. None of my business. n/t

[kwassa]

118. I don't think this question is any of your damn business

Their marriage is between the two of them, and nobody else. As long as they are happy with it, that is all that matters. It could be a great marriage, it could be a sham, and it is still be none of your business. You are not in that marriage.

You have no rights in this area, nor does anyone else.

[anigbrowl]

25. Their marriage is not my business.

[Neshanic]

35. You know, driving that bus running over people, you may take a turn and find out some items about

Obama that will be of interest when we are "married" to him as our candidate. Courtesy of the republicans of course.

Is that how this is played?

[AuntPatsy]

45. Sure seems so, that is why it is more than dangerous to put someone

anyone on such a high pedestal and hold them to impossible standards...

[EFerrari]

39. That's a really interesting question. All this couple has known

for a very long time is running for something. They didn't stop when he left office, they just retooled and she ran. It's difficult when you and your partner are in the same family business because it's difficult to keep things sorted out -- business, pleasure, down time. The boundaries can get very fuzzy.

Coming down after this campaign could be very difficult and X 2.

[JohnnyLib2]

48. Kinda broken the template for marriage, haven't they?

'Tis a marvel, and IMO we have no real points of comparison.

[Alexander]

49. NEWSFLASH: Almost all politicans cheat, and everyone knows it.

Do we really need to go over Vitter, Craig, Spitzer, Newsom and Bob Allen again?

Does Vicki Iseman ring a bell?

Politicans cheat on their spouses. Everyone knows it. At this point nobody cares, because it's expected.

Can't we concentrate on real issues?

[emilyg]

50. Their marriage is none of your business.

[Radio_Lady]

65. agreed emilyg. we've got to stop meeting like this....

It's too fetid in here.

Have a good Tuesday!

RL in OR

[asteroid2003QQ47]

51. "I don't like being lied to"-

-Stephanie

Then you best NEVER marry, Stephanie.

Convent life is meant for you,
uh, on second thought, a life spent in
total solitude is your ONLY option!

[Raejeanowl]

52. The Clinton Marriage Is The Business Of The Clintons

It was "back then," it is now, it will be in future.

On the other hand, I want to know how exactly how many times a week (day?) the smokin' hot Obamas get it on; and whether they plan to try it out swinging from a chandelier at the WH. :evilgrin:

[Radio_Lady]

63. You bad, Raejeanowl! Hotcha!

:evilgrin:

Regrettably, they have two small children. That tends to tone down a couple's sex life.

But maybe, with the right nanny holding sway over the kids, the Obamas will find their way into the Lincoln bedroom or under the desk in the Oval Office. There, they can find piece (oops... peace) together.

You know what's gonna happen to this thread, don't you?

Somebody will say that the picture of a black man and a black woman, swinging on a chandelier or through the trees -- would look like monkeys or chimpanzees -- and we will be RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED IN 2000!

"Chimps'r'smarter" :sarcasm:

[asteroid2003QQ47]

69. Piece!

:evilgrin:

[BklynChick]

62. they seem like business partners to me

[Radio_Lady]

64. Hey, BC! You married? Our marriage of 35 years is like two business partners!

We're doing business with the outside world -- outside the marriage. The inside is none of your business.

What the hell is wrong with that? Aren't the Clintons nuzzling enough in public for you?

Get off the tabloid treadmill and get a life!

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen

[JVS]

66. I find it odd that people consider the marriage none of our business when without that marriage...

HRC would not be a presidential candidate, and certainly would not have been the heir apparent to the nomination that she was last fall. While I understand the desire for privacy, I also resent having her inflicted upon us by a former president. When a former president decides he's going to make his spouse into a protege politician, then their marriage has encroached on the public's sphere and will certainly be examined by the public.

[Raine]

67. I agree

plus I blame Clinton's cheating for the loss that Gore suffered. Gore had to run a campaign separating himself from the peace and prosperity of the Clinton/Gore years and had to put Holy Joe on the ticket. So we ended up with Chimp for 8 years. :-(

[polmaven]

109. Most political analysts, at least

the unbiased ones, are of the opinion that, given President Clinton's popularity when he left office (if he could have run for a 3rd term he would have won overwhelmingly), Al Gore would have done even better than he did if he had NOT run away from Clinton.

[Radio_Lady]

116. Raine, I'm LOL. That one statement can be slashed and trashed by almost anyone who

understands logic! If anything, it's the ultimate Monday (oh, Tuesday!) morning quarterbacking.

Hey, wait until November 5, 2008 (or longer, God forbid, if the courts get involved again).

That could get blamed on Clinton's indiscretion, too!

Brings back the old bumper sticker!

DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR CLINTON.

That one will cover a MULTITUDE of sins!

:loveya:

[susankh4]

70. None of our business.

That's the answer.

It's the GOP that likes to snoop around in folks' bedrooms. Remember?

[TexasObserver]

73. I believe they have a marriage of state, and each pursues their own sexual appetite.

He has his hook ups and she has her companion.

They are a political partnership.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. It's their loving marriage to the DLC that has always concerned me.

Which appears to be thriving all the way to the divorce from the American people.

[MyNameGoesHere]

78. I would rather hear about your marriage or

relationship. Come on give us all the details, it really is relevant.

[Stephanie]

79. The second I run for POTUS, I promise to reveal all.

[MyNameGoesHere]

80. Well isn't that convenient. Well there ya go

we want to pry into marriages just because they have some notoriety.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

81. It's always been Bill and Hillary against the world. If they focused half that energy

into being as dedicated to the American people as they have to each other, the outcome of this primary would have been different.

[emilyg]

84. I wish my ex and I had shared such a dedication to each other.

[Major Hogwash]

82. Well, who knew before this year that she could lie just as much as he could?

I didn't. So, I think their marriage is not only a sham, it's a match made in hell.
They are both outrageous racist liars who think they can hoodwink the entire country.
Ain't going to happen.

[union_maid]

85. I really think it's their business

I'm an Obama supporter. Of late, I've taken issue with Clinton supporters because I think they're going way over the top as are the Clintons. But this is none of our business. The Clintons aren't lecturing us about the sanctity of marriage or about family values. If they were, then their private lives become a little more fair game. I'm not sure if, even then, if the nature of their relationship to one another is at issue. In any case - none of our business.

[Bucky]

88. Hogwash. The picture you post (thanks for them, by the by) belie your pointless attack

Their marriage doesn't include two things: you and me. So it's not really proper to discuss their marriage. I will point out, however, that the photos you show illustrate a couple who are very much in love. Yes, they got a few hang ups; yes, he's been a dog at times.

But any questions we might have about the solidity of their marriage are answered by this.



I don't particularly want to see them in the White House again (except, perhaps, as Barack & Michelle's overnight guests). But these people have given their bodies and hearts and souls to our party. We live in a better country because of them. Anything else you might want to say after that ultimately really doesn't matter.

[JuniperLea]

89. None of our business... eom

[RB TexLa]

92. You do realize her job is in DC? Many people have to do that because of work.

[Beacool]

95. And you give a damn about their marriage, why????

I don't care about anybody's marriage and that includes Obama's and MCain's.

What does that have to do with anything?

Besides, they see each other an average of 3 to 4 days a week. Hillary usually comes to NY, but sometimes Bill goes to DC. Are you perhaps interested, like the NY Times was a few years ago, in calculating how many conjugal visits they have per month?

Pathetic.......

[PBS Poll-435]

97. Great pictures!

Nasty OP.

[JerseygirlCT]

99. Honestly, although I know the temptation to speculate is strong

and fun in a celebrity gossip sort of way, in a real world sense, that's no one's business but theirs.

If it's a marriage of convenience, or a partnership only - so what? I'd guess plenty of married people have come to some sort of arrangement outside the expected hearts and flowers, love you forever, diamond ring commercial sort of mystique.

So long as their marriage doesn't impact the country (I don't know - dating bin Laden or something??? You'd really have to stretch to come up with an example, lol), that's one area where I just don't think it matters.

[mitchum]

103. Their marriage is their business...with emphasis on "their BUSINESS"...

and all that "business" entails

[Freddie Stubbs]

110. Freepers were obsessed with this in 1998 and now many DUers are obsessed with it in 2008

[Beaverhausen]

113. Some Obama supporters are sounding more like freepers every day

[QC]

121. Amazing coincidence isn't it? n/t

[Straight Shooter]

114. WGAS.

You used to be one of the most uplifting DU'ers. How the mighty have fallen.

[Stephanie]

119. I am still fighting the same fight.

And Bill and Hillary seem more like Bush and Rove every day.

[Straight Shooter]

124. LOL.

What a sad existence, to turn an ally into an enemy.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

120. Move along, Dr. Laura. n/t

[Orangepeel]

123. Not that it is any of my business, but I think they genuinely love and admire each other

I wouldn't care to be married to either of them, but I'm pretty sure they'd each feel that way about me and my husband. Everybody has their own personal dealbreakers.

I know that if I WERE judging a candidate based on the strength of his or her marriage, I'd rather someone who was married to a hound dog then one who dumped a crippled spouse to marry his wealthy mistress.

on edit: this Obama supporter thinks those are nice pictures!

[QC]

125. The transformation of DU into Free Republic is now complete.

Stephanie, take a bow. What you have been working on so hard these past few months has finally come to pass.

You can count me as another who remembers you from the old days and can't imagine what in the hell has gotten into you these past few months.

[Stephanie]

127. Thank you very much!

I'll be here all night! Don't forget to tip your waitress.

[Hoof Hearted]

134. Glad to see that you own it - most decent DU'ers wouldn't be proud of

being compared to a Freeper.

[kwenu]

128. I'm all in favor of her going away to spend time making her marriage better.

Or not. Just as long as she goes away.

[GihrenZabi]

136. Here's why I find this important

Because it speaks to her character as a person.

It's one thing when someone remains in a situation which is distasteful because they HAVE to. I don't particularly like working five days a week, but I have no choice if I want to support my family. I don't particularly like putting up with idiocy from my family but I have no choice but to accept them as is unless I want the family to fall apart. Etc. Compromises all reasonable people are expected to make on a daily basis.

It's another thing entirely to remain in a situation which is distasteful but which you do NOT have to remain in, yet you do so purely for personal gain.

I call this "being a whore."

Hillary Clinton is a political whore of the highest caliber. If she had any integrity as a person she would have divorced Bill long ago. He's a serial cheater. He did it as Governor, he did it as President, and I'm sure he's still doing it now.

So, rather than have some self-respect and divorce Bill and stand on her own two feet and her own accomplishments, she retains the marriage, and the name, all for her own political benefit.

I don't need any more so-called "leaders" who are just political whores of one sort or another - and that includes all the white men in our Congress who whore out to moneyed interests.

[joeybee12]

137. Oh my, another RW talking point copied by an Obama supporter..

...who woulda thunk it????