Poll: Hillary Beats McCain In Kentucky, Obama Loses Big

[BobbyVan]

Poll: Hillary Beats McCain In Kentucky, Obama Loses Big
By Eric Kleefeld - May 26, 2008, 9:05AM

Barack Obama's Appalachia problem couldn't be more apparent in a new Rasmussen poll, with Hillary Clinton winning Kentucky in the general election, and Obama losing it in a landslide:

McCain (R) 57%, Obama (D) 32%
Clinton (D) 51%, McCain (R) 42%

Sample size: 500 likely voters.
Margin of error: ±4%

Obama has done well among white voters in many other parts of the country, but the Appalachian region has become something of a no man's land for him. And with that region spanning a lot of electoral votes, this poll definitely gives some weight to Hillary Clinton's arguments on electability.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/poll_hillary_beats_mccain_in_k.php

[DemVet]

1. Quit clouding the issue with FACTS.

[Hugabear]

5. Hey DemVet - who's leading the popular vote right now?

Who has more popular votes?

Who has won more states?

Who has more superdelegates?

Who has raised more money?

Quit acting like just because Obama isn't doing well in one particular region, that it means he's "unelectable".

[mythyc]

71. i love the sound of crickets in the morning....

the only work for the silent party: gorked....

[Hugabear]

2. If the entire election was based on Appalachia, I'd be worried

But since there's a whole lot more to the country than Appalachia, I'm not.

[City Lights]

6. Ditto.

:thumbsup:

[NJSecularist]

25. If Obama does not make in-roads in Appalachia, he will not win Virginia.

Which is an Obamite pipe dream anyways.

[hokies4ever]

44. Is that why he won Virginia by 29 points in the primaries?

:rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

45. Apparently you know NOTHING of Virgina politics

Seriously, stop talking, because you have no idea what you're saying.

You don't need appalachia to win VA. You need the South Eastern part of the state and Northern Virgina. You win those two areas, which skew to Obama's demographic, and you'll romp in the state.

[NJSecularist]

47. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Every presidential candidate who has won Virginia over the last few decades has won Western Virginia.

NOVA is trending Democratic, but there are not enough votes there to put the Democrats over the top.

[Joe the Revelator]

48. Whens the last time you worked in VA politics?

Because, I mean, just looking at my resume, I was still working in VA politics a year and a half ago. I mean MAYBE you know more then me, looking at your almanac in New Jersey, but I'm pretty sure I know a shade more then you when it comes to Virginia's evolving political climate.

So keep up your spin, maybe some people will buy it, but when it comes to VA, you are way WAY out of your league.

[NJSecularist]

49. For somebody who worked in Virginia politics, you know remarkably little.

To what extent did you work in Virginia politics? Were you the lunch fetcher for your county's clerk?

[Joe the Revelator]

51. I was 3-1 kiddo.

But I'm not going to sit here and measure with you. if you want to talk, you can PM me. The fact of the matter is, you have no idea what you're talking about in Virgina.

[palindrome]

65. I just wanted to say

We appreciate the strong arguments you put forth.
Hillary supporters are still here :)

[NJSecularist]

20. Appalachia is a huge part of the United States

You can't just ignore it and hope to win the election.

[against all enemies]

55. They should shoot at more food, we need that "bubblin crude".

[roguevalley]

60. she's prepared to ignore four states in HER math. so much for the

spew over Michigan and Florida. four states.

[muryan]

68. You can't ignore the west either

If kerry won Nevada/NM/CO he would be president.

[PBS Poll-435]

27. Just think.

WV, KY, OH

If Gore won just one of those states...

[Hugabear]

34. What the fuck are you talking about - Gore WON the 2000 election

Recounts show that Gore would have won Florida, had the SCOTUS not intervened.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. Where did I say he didn't win?

No where.

So take your potty mouth and fill it with Dial to wash out the bile.

If Al Gore had won WV or OH like Clinton did, Florida would be a punchline rather than the tragedy that it was.

[Tarheel_Dem]

3. Who gives a shit about Kentucky or WV? There are plenty of other

polls around here where the reverse is true. You can pick and choose polls all day, to your liking, but it still doesn't change the fact that Hillary WILL NOT BE THE NOMINEE! Get it?

[nichomachus]

4. In May of 1992 polling, Bill Clinton was"unelectable"-- Ross Perot was "unbeatable"

[Beacool]

7. Psst, they don't want to hear it.

She also beats McCain in the national polls and in several other states.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. And does Obama...by a wider margin...

I need to remind The Enablers that Bill Clinton won WV because of Ross Perot. In 1996, Dole/Kemp was a weak ticket.

So Obama will most likely lose the bigots in WV and KY. WV only has 5 electoral votes. Obama will make up for that in places like VA and NC. I'm sure of that! ;)

[mdmc]

19. she had a better shot of winning the GE

but she blew it.

Obama will win, and might have coattails.

[sellitman]

Obama doesn't need Kentucky.

For the past 52 years, Kentucky has only voted for southerners and Republicans in national presidential elections. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are neither, so they would have to defy half a century of electoral history to pull out a victory in that state.

Link: http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/05/who-needs-kentucky-000601.php

[Dinger]

8. Whistling. . .

No worries.

[dbmk]

9. He is winning quite fine without those votes. (nt)

[SoonerPride]

10. Why are you still posting about Hillary? Obama is our nominee. She is an also ran.

Might as well post about how Mike Gravel does in these states.

Just as relevant.

The race is Obama v McCain.

Period.

[RoadRage]

11. Ahh Kentucky.. the totall non-racist, yet hugely popular swing state...

:eyes:

Let's worry about polls in say... October. And, let's also focus on states that perhaps... matter.

Congrats... racist states like KY & WV will go to the white guy.. what a shock!

[HarveyBrooks]

38. Yea...

cuz if you dont vote for obama you're a racist.

[EnviroBat]

12. Hillary Who?

:shrug:

[w4rma]

13. Hillary would never win Kentucky in the General Election. Both of those numbers are very soft. (nt)

[stevietheman]

15. But Obama is appearing strong in the Mountain West.

Kentucky, my state, is probably going to go for McCain, but not without a fight. It usually goes Republican in Presidential elections.

[SurfingAtWork]

16. Kentucky is 8 electoral votes. Oregon is 7 and Wisconsin is 10 and in those states Obama is

Leading McCain, and Clinton is trailing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/wisconsin.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oregon.html

See? Its fun to play "lets cherry-pick polls for elections 5 months out to demonstrate our preferred candidates electability".

[Mike L]

31. But Clinton gets FL (27) and OH (20)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ohio.html
(the SurveyUSA poll for BO vs. JM is invalid. It samples Dems over Repubs 2:1)

[Independent-Voter]

46. Not without Perot he doesn't. Bill should be kissing Perot's ass to this very day.

[Mike L]

52. WTF? I'm talking about Hillary. She's leading McCain in those states.

Those are the only states that matter. The rest are blue or red or don't have enough electoral votes.

[Independent-Voter]

53. I think you're kidding yourself if you think Veruca, or any Democrat for that matter, takes FL

It's just not in the cards with the demographics these days.

Now Virgina and some of the PNW and SW states on an Obama ticket? Very much in play.

But what the hell do I know? I've only netted 5 figures on InTrade this primary season.

[Independent-Voter]

17. I'm not worried about those dumb fucks in SE Ohio, Kentucky, WV, or W. PA

Sorry if this is harsh, but that area is clearly to the most fucked up part of this country by far. That those ignorant fucks swung so far for Hillary is telling.

[marylanddem]

23. Those are my roots but I agree with you

I escaped.

[Independent-Voter]

36. My wife has some family up that way as well. The brain-drain from those states is enormous as kids

get the hell out of there when they can. Those states need to get off their collective asses and reallocate some of their resources to their education system if things are going to improve within the next 50 years or so.

[Arugula Latte]

33. Here we thought our problem was the deep south. I see it actually lies north of there.

[SeaLyons]

18. K&R

[havocmom]

21. Meanwhile, in MOST (if not all) other states, HRC on a ballot with GOTV for the GOP

more than McCain as their nominee will.

Hillary is a radical magnet. NOBODY in politics today can draw a bigger bunch of MORANS out to vote against the DEMS. And that damages more than the presidential race; it damages all the down ticket DEM candidates too.

[Max_powers94]

22. wake me up when the GE starts

:boring:

[Shae]

24. Crap!!11!! I bet Obama is going to lose Utah too!!!111!!

:rofl: :rofl:
We must turn this primary around and give it to Hillary!!!11!!

[pampango]

26. So much for his chance becoming governor of Kentucky, if this "president" thing doesn't work out.

:)

[uponit7771]

28. lol! You guys are starting to sound like wackadoodles

[still_one]

29. and why do you suppose that is? Do you think it is because of the Supreme Court?

Do you think it is because of the Iraq War?

How about Social Security and Medicare?

What about healthcare?

Jobs, are a big issue also, and of course food and energy

Looking at the sampling it is relatively small, 500 LV
adding the total percentages up give us the following:

Obama verses mccain 89%
Clinton verse mccain 96%

That implies that 7% of the clinton voters will sit out, and the remaining will switch to mccain

This poll implies the following:

A significant percentage of those Clinton supporters in this poll do NOT care about the issues, only that THEIR candidate wins

That speaks volumes on the intelligence of those particular supporters

If THEIR candidate is not the nominee, and they decide not to vote for the Democratic nominee or vote for mccain, they deserve the consequences.

I do not believe this poll is reality, because the stakes our quite high, and the Supreme Court matters

[dionysus]

30. since when is appalachia a must win for us?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

32. Guess what? When Huckabee was in the race...

...he garnered 60 percent of the vote in Kansas, and McCain snagged only 25 percent.

At least Huckabee wasn't a deranged fool, who sauntered around the countryside, screaming, "I
won a state!! Therefore McCain is unelectable and we need that state to win in the General
Election! This is evidence that I'm the better candidate. He can't win these hardworking,
white votes in Kansas!"

It's not about one state. Everyone realizes that, except Hillary.

Actually, it's about the delegate count, and there's no way she catches up. Obama is our
nominee, and we'd like to get started with the GE--but Hillary's too busy hanging around in
a race she can't and won't win.

At least Huckabee knew when to get out. At least Huckabee had some dignity and class, instead
of behaving like petulant jerk--making a new red-herring argument every day.

[Politics_Guy25]

39. Well put

Although I would be loathe to praise Huckabee too much.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

37. Stop the presses! We all want our communities to emulate Appalachia

:sarcasm:

[ampad]

43. Thank you

What is so funny is these people think that the racist are going to go for the woman in the GE instead of the white man. Yea, whatever, keep cherry picking those polls.

[AspenRose]

40. Quit it.

eom

[beachmom]

41. Kentucky will go to McCain. Hillary is polling well, because people like that she

is bringing Obama down. If "something happened" and Hillary were the nominee she would definitely lose KY. The Right has held its fire on Hillary for months, and her people praise Fox News.

[Iceburg]

66. Bill Clinton won both KY and WV. ...its Clinton country/nt

[Bright Eyes]

42. Then she can become Empress of Appalachia.

Appalachia isn't America, you know.

[fujiyama]

73. Thank God!

This country would be in even worse shape than it's already in!

[GoesTo11]

50. Playing to racism takes KY and loses other states.

Not a great strategy and not a good strategy. It might win KY, but cost the GE.

[Hola]

54. KY Democrats

"Obama earns just 48% of the vote from Democrats."

This is the problem, they need to come around, and they will after the June 3rd.

[haymakeragain]

56. Too bad Hilly is done. Maybe she'll come back for 2016.

Vote McSame, it's what you want sort of anyway.

[Jersey Devil]

57. This couldn't be because Hill was camped out there for 2 weeks, could it

and is less than a week off of saturation campaigning in KY while McCain has been off doing other things?

Hillary lost. Get over it.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. Guns, god, gays, and the environment

Hillary is just as liberal as Obama on those issues, although lately you wouldn't know it for some reason. If she were the nominee, McGramps would hammer her on all of these and she would not stand a chance in Kentucky and West Virginia. Very socially conservative electorates don't vote for Democrats as socially liberal as Hillary Clinton anymore.

[Telly Savalas]

67. No doubt.

Bush beat Kerry by 20 points in Kentucky in 2004. It's a stretch to think that the 30 point turnaround suggested by that poll would stand.

[JimGinPA]

59. She Has A Strong Base There...

[thoughtcrime1984]

61. Since Obama has virtually won the nomination

Your point is moot.

[BobbyVan]

62. This is what's wrong -- we're acting as if the election is over in Denver

It's not, we need to be looking ahead to November. Electability is critical.

[thoughtcrime1984]

64. First off, I believe Obama to be more electable, secondly

he is going to clinch the number needed to win the nomination. Why in the hell would he not be the nom if he clinches the nomination?

[hendo]

63. I wonder how far she is trailing McCain in other parts of the country. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

69. Democratic Presidential Nomination Polls:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[TerryPorter]

70. Woah

That's great. Kentucky has been red for ages.

[NorthCarolina]

72. Hillary should run for President of Kentucky then

or maybe when Obama becomes President he can make her a Kentucky Colonel. :patriot: