How Clinton is really disenfranchising the voters of MI and FL

[Hamlette]

The Clintons repeatedly say, when making their "count Florida and Michigan" argument that 2.3 million voters cast ballots in these States, and Hillary often adds that the 1.7 million turnout in Florida was the highest ever for a Democratic primary. Sounds impressive. But guess what? I compared the number of persons who cast ballots this year in each of the other top ten States to the number of persons who voted for John Kerry in the 2004 general election. In every single State where both candidates campaigned -- meaning every State but New York, which Obama ceded to Hillary and Illinois, which Hillary ceded to Obama -- the turnout was at least 75% of the Kerry vote. (CA: 75%; TX: 103%; PA: 79%; OH: 85%; NC: 107%; GA: 79%; as for IL and NY, IL: 70%; NY: 44%).

In contrast, in Michigan, the percentage was a paltry 24% and in Florida the percentage was 44%.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/how-the-clinton.html#more

so, the very small (in comparison) number of voters who were willing to break the rules get rewarded if any delegates are seated based on the results of this flawed primaries. Those who did not vote, because they knew their votes would not count so why bother, get screwed.

If these numbers are true, and they can be verified, this is among her most dishonest claims. That and Lanny Davis wanting half (28) of the 55 "uncommitted" delegates when he knows Obama won 31 of the 36 up for grabs at the MI convention.

[nichomachus]

1. What I've been saying all along

Telling people their vote won't count -- and then deciding to count the votes after all -- is an undemocratic bait-and-switch pulled on the people who decided not to vote in what they thought was a meaningless election.

[Skidmore]

7. Just as much as saying that the votes of those in states

in which the outcome were not favorable to you did not count. I'm sick of this type of campaigning and manipulating.

[papau]

2. What bull - can we say Move-On and caucus state wins for Obama "disenfranchise"?

[Hamlette]

3. how? I don't understand. Everyone can participate in caucus states

and at no time were ppl in caucus states told their votes would not count.

I don't understand you point at all.

[gristy]

4. papau doesn't have a point

He hasn't for quite a while.

[CoffeeCat]

5. It's a bullshit Hillary-concocted...

...argument about the caucuses--that she has fabricated with lies and distortions.

Unfortunately, there are Hillary parrots who can't think for themselves. They know
nothing about the caucus process and they happily repeat her false claims--even though
the facts do not support their baseless drivel.

The caucuses have been an institution for nearly 100 years.

Many politicians have won them. Even more have lost them. Hillary is the first candidate to
disparage and lie about the caucus process and complain like a sore-loser, whiner.

She lost the caucus process, so she has to tear down this century-long process--just to leverage
herself.

Aren't we all tired of Hillary Clinton's wake of destruction??????????

Aren't we tired of her inventing realities which disparage people and processes that no one complained
about, until she lost???????

Aren't we tired of her spineless, impressionable, naive lock stepping supporters, who have never
attended a caucus--but will parrot her drivel anyway??????

Worst. Democratic. Candidate. EVER.

[DarienComp]

6. Hillary supporters have BEEN saying that!

In fact, Hillary supporters have been claiming that every Obama win has been illegitimate somehow.