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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:14 AM
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Hillary's "some people" and Bill's "they" add up to pathetic. Who will clue them in that it's over?
*** UPDATE *** NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli adds, Clinton is also going up with a TV ad and radio spots and South Dakota, a week out from the Democratic primary there. The TV ad, "Responsibility," also focuses on the economy -- specifically on the national debt, social security and oil. The radio ad, "Matters," is 60 seconds and starts out similarly to other primary state ads: "In Washington, some people say the presidential primary in South Dakota doesn't much matter. That your voice doesn't really count. But you know what? Tuesday, we can show 'em. We can pick a President." And this: "Stand up for Hillary Clinton. She'll always stand up for us." The ad also echoes some of the economic themes of the TV ad.

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There is a perfect example of Hillary projecting. She is the "some people" who repeatedly argues that some states don't count:

She said Monday that she is the "more progressive candidate" and dismissed the hype surrounding Obama that results in the large crowds like the record rally of an estimated 65,000 he drew in Portland on Sunday afternoon.

Clinton said Obama, who has refused to debate her since they last faced off just before the Pennsylvania primary last month, would "rather just talk to giant crowds than have questions asked."

Later, while speaking to several hundred people in a high school gymnasium, Clinton picked up her campaign's argument that Obama's victories in states that had caucuses instead of primaries are somehow less significant because turnout was lower.

Clinton also revived her pitch that many of the states where he has beaten her, like Alaska, Idaho and Utah, matter less because they would not be competitive for Democrats in November. Anybody "who's really analyzing this" should come to the same conclusions, she said.

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Bill invokes "they" to push his conspiracy theory:

Bill Clinton: 'Cover up' hiding Hillary Clinton's chances

(CNN) -- Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, and suggested some were trying to “push and pressure and bully” superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

Bill Clinton did not explain who he was accusing of “covering up” Sen. Clinton’s chances.

“I can’t believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out,” Clinton said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News.

Clinton also suggested some were trying to “cover up” Sen. Clinton’s chances of winning in key states that Democrats will have to win in the general election.

” ‘Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.’ “

Clinton did not expound on who he was accusing.

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*** Did Hillary stay in too long? Given the thud with which Clinton's RFK flub was received, it's starting to become clear that perhaps she erred in deciding to stay in the race this long. Imagine had she suspended her campaign and still won primaries. Wouldn't that have put her in an even stronger position than now? Obama hasn't run a campaign against her for the last few weeks and, in turn, it's helped Clinton prop up her personal standing. But wouldn't she be winning over the support of some in ObamaNation if she were sort of returning the favor by getting out and suspending the campaign? And that's the rub: At some point for her political future, she has to win back the support of Obama's supporters. And they don't seem to be very forgiving of her right now. The Clinton campaign may believe these folks are being irrational, but it's the state of play right now. It's interesting -- Clinton partisans are mad at a lot of folks, but Obama isn't at the top of the list. For Obama partisans, Clinton (or the Clintons) is at the top of their anger list. As for Clinton, she really hasn't given a good reason for staying in (versus suspending her candidacy while keeping her delegates) for any set of voters other than those folks in Michigan and Florida or for the folks in Puerto Rico. If she were in suspension mode, she could be focusing on legacy restoration. Instead, everything she says is viewed through the prism of angling for a longshot 1% chance at the nomination. Whatever the outcome at this point, Clinton's folks may wish they had suspended their candidacy a few weeks ago. In this case, short-term gain could end up being long-term political pain.

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In a week this will be over. Obama has effectively clinched the nomination:

Total delegates remaining: 287

Obama will get a minimum: 54

287 - 54 = 233

If Hillary gets all the remaining 233 (never going to happen), she comes up 13 short:

Hillary has 1779 + 233 = 2012

Obama has 1976 + 54 = 2030


Hillary's next campaign will be for her future:

No Clear Map For Clinton's Political Future

By Shailagh Murray and Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 27, 2008; Page A01

The climate on Capitol Hill has changed considerably in the 18 months since Clinton began her presidential campaign. The Senate leadership path that she had once viewed as a viable alternative is now all but blocked. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) has gained clout in his role, and he will grow even more powerful if Democrats succeed in expanding their narrow majority in November by up to half a dozen seats.

Reid's deputies, Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) and Democratic Caucus Vice Chairman Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), also have enhanced their status in recent months and are quietly laying the groundwork to succeed Reid whenever he decides to step down.

"Within the caucus, there's strong support for Senator Reid, and those who speculate otherwise don't understand the Senate," said Durbin, who was the first senator to endorse Obama. When Clinton returns to her old job, assuming she does not win the nomination, Durbin added, "she will be an important part of the future. But I can't tell you that anyone has approached me, or anyone in the caucus, with any specific suggestions about what she would do."

When Clinton announced her bid in January 2007, she was the prohibitive favorite, and most of her Senate colleagues appeared ready to rally to her side. But as her primary battle with Obama draws to an end, with the senator from Illinois almost certain to emerge the victor, Clinton has discovered that the reservoir of Senate goodwill was not so deep after all.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:15 AM
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1. The superdelegates pledging en masse on June 4th.
:shrug: However, I'm convinced they're going to run it all the way to the convention. HRC and Bill's hearts are that DARK - their behavior is truly VILE.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:23 AM
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3. Funny
It's confusing to watch the Obama supporters want "the rules" followed when the DNC refuses to count the votes of some of the people, BUT when it comes to following the rules of primary elections and their candidate is at the top, they want the rules thrown out. Declare him the winner, declare him the winner, declare him the winner.
Cut the primary process short...who needs to follow the procedure? It seems they want the DNC to appoint the candidate instead of allowing the primary procedure to be completed.
They are frightening.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:29 AM
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4. Question: Do you believe including FL and MI changes the fact that Hillary lost? n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:51 PM
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9. Watching the Clintons invent a myth out of whole cloth is far more frightening...
... than your invented, divorced-from-reality narrative.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:47 AM
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5. That will be interesting to watch:
Hillary continuing to push her candidacy after Obama reaches 2025.

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Aramis Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:57 PM
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11. I wouldn't have expected anything less.
Quitters never win. And winners never quit.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:28 PM
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15. nice. she dissed my state. what a pathetic person she is.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:18 AM
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2. It would be nice if the media . . .
would start regarding them as a nonstory. That would get them out soon enough.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:21 PM
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6. Edward Lewis, Chairman of Essence and Latina magazines, Endorses Barack Obama

Edward Lewis, Chairman of Essence and Latina magazines, Endorses Barack Obama

By Sam Graham-Felsen - May 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pm EDT

Chicago, IL – Edward Lewis, chairman and founder of Essence Magazine and chairman of Latina Magazine, today endorsed Barack Obama for President. He switched his endorsement from Clinton to Obama, citing Obama's vision for a better America.

Lewis said, "As the founder of a woman's magazine, I acknowledge that Senator Clinton has served as a role model for many women across America and I have great admiration for her."

"However, as the campaign has unfolded, I have witnessed the strength of Senator Obama and both his passion and commitment for new possibilities for a better America. His conviction has led to my conviction that he is the hope for our country. I urge all Americans to support his candidacy for President of the United States."

Mr. Lewis is the chairman and founder of Essence Communications Inc., which he built into one of the country’s largest African-American multi-media organizations. Essence Communications is the publisher of Essence Magazine, the leading lifestyle magazine for African-American women. Lewis is also chairman of the Board for Latina Media Ventures LLC (LMV), which publishes Latina Magazine and is the leading integrated media company for bicultural U.S. Latin women.



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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:14 PM
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7. Girlfriend ain't going nowhere. She's going to win on the merits.
Hillary: Why I continue to run

"I am running because I still believe I can win on the merits. Because, with our economy in crisis, our nation at war, the stakes have never been higher - and the need for real leadership has never been greater - and I believe I can provide that leadership."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/05/25/2008-05-25_hillary_why_i_continue_to_run.html
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:50 PM
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8. ""I am running because I still believe I can win on the merits."
Does she really believe she can win the primary? And if she's talking about the GE, OMG!

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:07 PM
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16. I know. I felt the same way when I read that phrase, too.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 04:13 PM by Window
I truly believe Hillary and Bill are in hock to big business, big pharma, big donors, and all the people they promised only God knows what to back when she was considered "inevitable."

Something is just not right here.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:53 PM
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10. The Clintons are trying to establish the ubiquitous boogieman to rail against in faux indignation.
K&R
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:00 PM
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12. Nutshell.
At least you get it, AtomicKitten!
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:09 PM
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13. That's how Fox News reguarly reports their opinion as news
As: "But Senator, some people say that all liberals hate the troops. Why would they think that?"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:35 PM
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14. While You Were Sleeping (Obama's "insurmountable lead" was built up in February)

While You Were Sleeping

May 27, 2008 2:56 PM

Sen. Barack Obama's seemingly insurmountable lead definitively was built up in February, whilst Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, was busy lending her campaign money, saying goodbye to her campaign manager, and otherwise running a not-so-hot campaign.

Talal Alkhatib of the ABC News Political Unit crunched the numbers, and here's the breakdown.

February 9:

Louisiana primary - Obama nets 12 pledged delegates over Clinton.

Nebraska caucuses - Obama nets eight.

Washington caucuses - Obama nets 26.

Virgin Islands caucuses - Obama nets three.

February 10:

Maine caucuses - Obama nets six.

February 12, Potomac Primaries:

Maryland primary - Obama nets 14.

Virginia primary - Obama nets 25.

Washington DC primary - Obama nets nine.

February 19:

Hawaii caucuses - Obama nets eight.

Wisconsin primary - Obama nets 10.

February contests gave Obama net 121 delegates over Clinton.

She currently trails him by 159 pledged delegates, and 203 delegates total.

Who knows where we'd be today if Clinton had had a post-Super Tuesday strategy.

Ready on Day 67.




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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:29 PM
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17. Donna Brazile said today on CNN she'll be supporting whoever gets to 2026 delegates first-not 2210,
or any other "new magic" number.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:51 PM
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18. Taylor Marsh losing hope... awww.. (too funny)

Taylor Marsh losing hope... awww..

by Joe Beese
Tue May 27, 2008 at 03:33:13 PM PDT

Honestly, I wish I could give you better news, but things are moving against Hillary everywhere. ... The reality is that candidate Clinton of the last couple of months may have shown up too late. It's the math, stupid, because electoral college and delegate count trump popular vote, and unless superdelegates change their minds and move towards her, which they haven't done so far, the Fighting Hillary who has emerged at the end of this primary season may not get her due. It could cost the Democrats the election in November, but the fact remains February was the cruelest month for Clinton and the truth is the campaign missed the importance of the caucuses, which made Fighting Hillary's job, when she showed up, even harder. Unless, of course, superdelegates wake up and see her electoral victory is far more realistic than bama's. No evidence that's about to happen anywhere.

Hard to swallow medicine, I know, but the odds against the better candidate prevailing are getting larger. Those are just the facts. The reality is that the strongest candidate has a very tough road ahead. That's reality.

I'd almost be moved to send her a balloon bouquet to help her feel better. That is, if she hadn't led off her post by quoting the raving lunatic Larry Johnson, whose No Quarter blog is where the racists too gross even for HillaryIs44 to stomach end up.

<...>

Oh, by the way, Taylor... Ronald McDonald called. He wants his wig back.






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