I'm disappointed in this group

[metis]

I joined this group quite some time ago. I enjoyed turning on DU every morning/noon/night to catch up on news etc. Sadly, I can’t do that any more. What on earth has become of this group? I thought this was a united Democratic group. What’s with all the childish goings on?…picking away at Bill Clinton for instance. I didn’t see this during the last election. Is this group been taken over by the weird people of FR? Shame on you. Some of you sound worse than a group of children!

[AlCzervik]

1. try another forum here, i understand everyone is unhappy with gdp but there are places

to post besides here.

[cali]

2. ugh. board nannies.

[Deep13]

6. So, do you have a canned, insulting nickname for everyone...

...who does not agree with you?

[Forkboy]

8. I keep mine on a rolodex.

Your's came up, "Cali hater."

:hide:

[Fleshdancer]

16. I recommend going digital

They've really improved the insult organizer software over the years. :D

[Forkboy]

21. LOL

I'm an insult luddite. :)

[Tyler Durden]

13. Yes. she does.

If a civil discourse between equals in a political party is suggested, yes, then you're a "Board Nanny."

NOTHING cali likes more than a divisive, nasty, name-calling, knock-down, drag-out brawl, and don't hold the name calling.

[JimGinPA]

17. As Opposed To All Your Thoughtful And Inspirational Posts...

Please... :eyes:

[Tyler Durden]

22. Yes, they are very well thought out.

Not "one-hit" smilies.

I've been writing essays for this dump since January of 2001, when you had SUBMIT your copy to get APPROVED to sit on the front page, not relying 50 "GREAT!!! K&R"'s from fellow partisans.

I suggest you to a search on my name or look at my journal. As far as I'm concerned, someone who showed up here in July of 2004 hasn't been hear for the WAR, just the last couple of battles.

Just my opinion, but you were the one who got rude.

[JimGinPA]

45. If Pointing Out Rudeness Is Rude, You're Right...

And I've come to have very little respect for your opinion. Sad that your blind loyalty to a failed candidate has brought you to this.

[scarletwoman]

47. Sorry, I've got to stick up for Tyler here, he's been around here as long as I have,

and he DOES write thoughtful and inspirational posts. I have been stopped in awe by some of the writing that he's done over all these years.

That fact that he supports a different candidate than I do takes nothing away from my admiration of his skills as a progressive thinker and writer.

sw

[JimGinPA]

48. Yeah, Great Work Here...

"NOTHING cali likes more than a divisive, nasty, name-calling, knock-down, drag-out brawl, and don't hold the name calling."

And yet I come to find out he took his username from a character in "Fight Club". Go figure.

[scarletwoman]

49. Just stop. Really. Just stop. You don't know him, I do, and I call him friend. (nt)

[cali]

29. oh, please. I don't tell you what your purported aims here are, kindly

return the favor. YOU call names on a regular basis. I've been on the receiving end of your largesse. I don't start flamebait threads. And please don't ever call me out again. You already had one thread locked this morning.

[Tyler Durden]

38. I don't call you out ever.

and you frequently tell me what my "aims" are. And it is against the rules to refer to locked threads, isn't it, no matter how equal their intention.

You are in for one hell of shock in November. I think at this point no matter who got nominated, we have poisoned the well so effectively that it cannot be cleared.

Say whatever you want.

[cali]

42. bullshit.. You just called me out in the post I responded to.

And sorry, dear, I won't be shocked whatever happens in November. I live in reality.

Don't call me out again, Tyler.

And no, I certainly don't tell you what your aims are.

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. We have survived worse. Unity will be a relief n/t

[dionysus]

43. b-b-b-but see, he can call you out cause he's tyler durden, an imaginary alter ego...

no hypocricythere, nope not at all ;)

[Bluebear]

18. My favorite nickname for that poster is "ignored"

My online life is so much more pleasant since I started calling her that.

[Elidor]

7. Makes you wonder how long they've been on the interwebs

Even GD-P is tame compared to a lot of other boards.

[ruby slippers]

14. omg, that is funny

[PoliticalAmazon]

54. ITA. Bad enough tohave Clinton finger-wagging, but a poster? That's ridiculous. n/t

[high density]

3. What happened is that we have our own Bush-like candidate polluting our primary process

She's taking a lot of clues from the "uniter not a divider" train of thought. Changing definitions, creating your own reality, us vs. them, etc.

[Texasgal]

4. The last primaries here on DU

were brutal and nasty as well.

I'd stay out of GD-P for now. Once we have a nominee things will simmer down.

[Tyler Durden]

15. This one makes 2004 look like a pillowfight.

More than half of the comments here these days on both sides would have gotten the poster BANNED in 2004.

But hey, what's good for ratings and GOOGLE hits is good for DU, right?

NOT.

[Texasgal]

23. I agree that this primary seems

particularly bad.

Primaries seem to bring the nasty out.

[Tyler Durden]

26. Herding Cats.

I've written so many essays on the subject, they would make a 300 page bound volume.

As usual, Democrats bathwater of choice is the blood of their own.

[Texasgal]

34. which is so sad

on many so many levels. :(

I am trying to do my best to stick to the commentary, avoid personal attacks and swipes and to stick with the whole reason we are here thingy... It's tough, but I am trying my hardest!

[Swamp Rat]

5. It will get better

:hi:

Different Strings

Who's come to slay the dragon,
Come to watch him fall?
Making arrows out of pointed words,
Giant killers at the call?
Too much fuss and bother,
Too much contradiction and confusion.
Peel away the mystery,
Here's a clue to some real motivation.

All there really is,
The two of us,
And we both know why we've come along.
Nothing to explain,
It's a part of us
To be found within a song.

What happened to our innocence,
Did it go out of style?
Along with our naïveté,
No longer a child.
Different eyes see different things,
Different hearts beat on different strings.
But there are times
For you and me, when all such things agree.

-- Rush

[panhead1961]

9. People are worried there will be 4 more years

After the stolen election in 2000 - the right wing religious fanatics movement - then the 2004 election fraud - more war more embarrassment. People are scared that all this crap is just what the RNC wants. When you get scared you get angry. At least people are doing something.

This can be a place to rant and rave. Hate mongering has no place anywhere.

[progressoid]

10. Take that back or I'm tellin' Mom!

[billyoc]

11. Perhaps Canadian politics would be more to your liking.

Hey, do you know Bill Clinton's girlfriend?

[Tyler Durden]

25. That post is fully worthy of "the site that shall not be named."

And anyone sinking to that level should be ashamed.

[Fleshdancer]

12. This happens every Primary season but things will get better

I recommend just staying out of GDP for a while...that usually helps. Once we have an official candidate you'll start to see more unity (eventually) but expect the random "I'm staying home on election day!" or "I'm voting Green Party!" threads from the few who are still upset over the primary results.

I know it's jarring at first, but you'll get use to it. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. It's Disturbing How Low Some Have Become, Ain't It? I Totally Hear Ya.

[Tyler Durden]

24. Doesn't matter what side you're on...the mud wrestling has moved to the cesspool.

VERY disappointing.

I now believe that Democrats will never exhibit the kind of loyalty to party and lack of infighting required to get and hold legislative and executive power in this nation long enough to make the nation whole.

[applegrove]

20. If you go now you'll miss the huge comming together that will take

place. Imagine how great it will feel to all be behind one candidate and ready to fight off the GOP and their smears.

[LisaM]

30. Doubt it. My SO and I can't even talk politics now

we've never had this problem before. The irony is, if we ever manage a ten-minute discussion about health care plans, etc., he agrees more with Hillary's version, but tells me not to worry about it if BO gets the nomination. I think he's bought into the media hate for her. It's so FRUSTRATING.

[applegrove]

55. It would be frustrating if you didn't agree with your SO. But even then,

you will come together under one banner when the time comes. One of you will grieve and get over it. Then you'll be together for the GE.

[LisaM]

56. I don't know. He won't give any concrete reasons for liking Obama

and doesn't seem to care if we ever get a woman president or not.

[LisaM]

27. This is the most splintered I've ever seen DU or the Democrats as a whole

I don't know if it's runoff from the radio hosts (Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhodes) who hate Clinton so much they can't control it, or just the final culmination of the corporate media picking our candidates for us - I just don't know.

[EstimatedProphet]

28. Personally I think it's an invasion of scum

[Tyler Durden]

41. Does it matter? Does it stop?

Same old Democratic Party speciality; snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

After this year, I am following the advice of Voltaire; I shall tend my garden.

[scarletwoman]

51. It will stop when enough of us stop it. I'm trying to do my part, I figure it's at least worth a try

Two Wolves

I would love to have you on my side of a battle any day.

sw

[iconicgnom]

31. I'm disappointed too. I expected the $$ to be rolling in by now. And not even a dime.

These jokers must've sent all their $$ to Obama. :cry:

But I stick around because I figure I'll get luckier after Obama wins the GE.

[ProSense]

32. Ah, more focusing on DU to excuse Bill

A variation of projecting:

Focus on DUers' criticism of the Clintons to excuse Bill and Hillary's actions.

Focus on DUers' criticism because Bill and Hillary are "good Democrats."

Focus on DUers' criticism because Bill and Hillary have done nothing to deserve being called out.

Focus on DUers' criticism because Obama would be ashamed of some of his supporters.

All the while, excusing Hillary and Bill's behavior.

Hillary's delusional talking points and Bill's conspiracy theory are acceptable because DU has been "taken over by the weird people of FR."

What BS!

[H2O Man]

33. Participate in the

positive threads, and avoid the negative energ. It's not hard to do.

[thewiseguy]

35. Some Hillary supporters are trying to get their last shots in before Obama is the nominee

They have increased their attacks in the past couple of days to the point of disrupting the dialogue. I am surprised that they are still allowed to carry on.

[AllentownJake]

36. Change the channel

EOM

[redqueen]

37. "I didn’t see this during the last election."

You weren't paying attention.

Many seem to have forgotten he's been widely criticized for years now.

[scarletwoman]

39. It'll sort itself out eventually. If you want to help improve the tone here, saying "shame on you"

probably isn't a very effective way of doing so.

Just sayin'...

sw

(edited for missing word)

[NeedleCast]

40. I'm Unconcerned About Your Disappointment

You choose to post here. If GD-P is not to your liking then pick one of the other 100 or so forums or topic groups to post in.

Instead of telling us what terrible people we are, why don't you chose to walk your ass on out of here instead of berating us with your disappointment. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read GD-P. The primary is over anyway. This is just the fallout.

[marions ghost]

46. New to these parts ma'am?

the Democrats haven't been united in QUITE awhile....lotsa DINOS in our midst too.

Factions fight. It's not pretty and people get emotional. There is so much at stake. Come back when it's Obama vs. McCain and you'll feel more comfortable. :hi:

[FrenchieCat]

50. We are not a "group". We are individuals who post at the same forum......

but you knew that.

[Window]

52. There are many other forums on DU you could visit.

[Youphemism]

53. There are definitely some zealots, but...

...I'd also have to point out that it was Bill Clinton who said, "Politics is a contact sport. If you can't take a few bruises, don't suit up."

It's exactly that kind of statement and attitude that is fueling this divisiveness. And -- looking exclusively at the candidates rather than their eager followers -- it's coming almost entirely from one camp.

I agree that people are too worked up against their fellow party members. I don't want to add to that. I agree that Hillary has a right to run until it's done and that, done properly, that could be a good thing for the democrats.

Unfortunately, it's not being done properly. You can already see republicans thanking the Clintons for the ammunition they're using against Obama. John McCain has cheered her on in an SNL skit, because he knows the way the campaign is being waged, it favors republicans.

I agree that people are getting too wrapped up in their candidates on both sides, in a way that doesn't help democrats in November. But I believe it's pretty clear what side is the primary driving force behind that problem. Obama and his crew knows he needs Clinton supporters on his side and is tripping over himself trying to be fair and respectful at this point. Bill and Ms. Ferraro, on the other hand, are saying that Obama can't win in November and that he's demeaning women.

Given that context, it's somewhat understandable why people are getting upset, even though they're clearly, in some cases, overreacting.

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to post a YouTube video of Geraldine Ferraro, as represented by Flip Wilson's Geraldine. (That would have to be done carefully, of course, given that Flip/Geraldine called his/her boyfriend "Killer.")