Who's fooling who?

[Drunken Irishman]

A few people here say Obama can't win because much of the party's base will abandon him over the way this primary has been run. This is often used to prop up the prospects of Clinton winning the nomination, as she would do the best against John McCain. Except there is a fatal flaw with this belief, as winning the nomination now means she will have done so with less delegates than Barack Obama. For all the arguments you can make, no nominee has ever lost the nomination when they've had more delegates than their opponent.

Now what we have here is a scenario where all hell will break loose, because Clinton's only hope for the nomination will be at the convention in August. If this thing goes that far, it will be a couple months of brutal fighting between the two and it'll end with her ripping the nomination away from Obama. You think Hillary supporters are pissed now, how do you think Obama supporters will feel if he loses the nomination in any type of scenario needed for Clinton to win? You think the party is divided now, well you ain't seen nothing yet. If Clinton were to win the nomination, even though Obama won the most delegates, it would be hell on earth.

So for all this talk about dividing the party, Clinton's only hope at the nomination would do just that, but even worse because there would be minimal time to repair the rift and most Obama supporters would feel as if the nomination had been stolen from him. So that argument doesn't wash anymore, because there is no plausible way I see Clinton getting the nomination without creating a far bigger divide in the party than we have right now.

[rucky]

1. Don't get yourself too worked up.

This is pretty much over.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. Oh, I take it the coordinated troll attack is over then?

God I hope so!

[rucky]

15. We're in the last three scenes of a zombie movie. n/t

[2rth2pwr]

4. If you keep using that "worst post ever" cartoon, it loses it's impact.

[Drunken Irishman]

10. It's a joke, in the poster's sig.

[Aramis]

20. ...kind of like comparing all political adversaries with Hitler.

[rucky]

32. But with you I really mean it.

welcome to the DU.

[Radio_Lady]

3. Yours is a worst-case scenario. There are others that have him asking her to join him on a Unity...

ticket, or turning his back on her because she came in second place with millions of votes. She might also respectfully decline (lots of conjecture on that scenario).

Let's see what happens. Psychics need not apply.

I am not going there, but if your interested, may I direct you to my journal page:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Drunken Irishman]

8. That is completely different.

I'm not talking about her joining the ticket, I'm discussing the slim hopes a few on this board have of her actually winning the nomination. I agree, most Clinton supporters have conceded the fact she lost long ago, but there are still a vocal few who believe otherwise.

Or they use this bullshit argument that Obama will split the party, thus we need to back Clinton. As if nominating her at this point wouldn't do just that.

[Radio_Lady]

12. DI, I'm not fighting anymore. Just reading and crying out for some sensible answers to...

the dual devastation that has ravaged this website.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[iconicgnom]

44. What is your idea with an O-C or C-O ticket?

Is it that C will stop throwing the kitchen sink at O if he agrees to this proposal? Don't you think she should stop first? Or do you claim that O has been throwing the kitchen sink at H? But I haven't seen that, so am I blind? It seems to me that those who claim that O has been throwing sinks at H, are claiming that O is actually the originator of C's attacks. Not unlike how C claims that O is the reason why her latest gaffe caused such a stir. That seems pretty wierd to me -- and I dunno, but if it doesn't seem wierd to you I just can't grok it. I don't think O could grok such a claim either, in the sense of "groking" required of the relation between P and VP.

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[AtomicKitten]

5. You are correct, sir. K&R

:hi:

[Radio_Lady]

7. Folks, here's the second crystal ball! Step right over here...

Cordially,

Radio Lady

[AtomicKitten]

11. it doesn't take a crystal ball to track Hillary's campaign

and from what we've seen so far, she obviously isn't above doing anything nefarious and foul including invoking the Nuclear Option that she has threatened

cordially yours
AK

[Radio_Lady]

17. Should I point out the divisive language? Nefarious, foul, Nuclear Option, threatened.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady

Get back to me later.

Cordially,

Radio Lady

PS. You are speaking with a 68 year old woman broadcaster who predicted there would be a black male American President before there is a white (or any other race) female American President. That was in 1972.

Looks as if MY crystal ball prediction is coming true.

Regrettably, I don't have that program recorded on my reel-to-reel check tape. Damn!

[AtomicKitten]

23. And your age gives you, what, leverage? An all-knowing opinion?

I'm 54 :shrug: and I've followed the course of HRC's campaign. The adjectives I employed are not only fair but necessary in waking up people like you to see the truth not in retrospect but now when it matters.

Continuing to muddle the reality of the status quo in an effort to smooth over the ugliness of the Clinton campaign is not healthy for the party. I agree with the end-result you are trying to achieve with that, but not at the expense of the truth.

A change is coming to America. No more sweeping ugly truths under the carpet to smooth over ruffled feathers.

[Radio_Lady]

25. No, but my age gives you another dimension for derision.

I stated a true fact about my own history and that is all. Draw your own conclusions.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[AtomicKitten]

27. as I pointed out age is irrelevant

[Radio_Lady]

28. Fine. You win, AK. Think positively.

Or not.

No worries... Thanks for your comments.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady

[shraby]

6. That's her plan..win the nom in backroom deals

without first having the most delegates, lose the general election because so many dem. voters are mad, make another run in 4 yrs. after McCain has royally screwed over the country in an extension of the Bush presidency.

[Radio_Lady]

9. Joined by a third crystal ball... check it out: This one deserves a Deadly DUzy for its intricacy.

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

14. I would suggest you take off your blinders

and stop ridiculing people for merely following her campaign to a reasonably plausible conclusion

thank you for your attention to this matter

[Radio_Lady]

18. Divisive language: I am not a horse and I do not have blinders on.

I'll look forward to a reasonable conclusion, hopefully very soon.

Thank you for your comments.

RL in Oregon

White dove posted for peace -- in the DU, in the party, in the White House, and in the world.

[AtomicKitten]

26. ridiculing others in the process is not compatible with seeking peace

I hope you keep that in mind.

[Radio_Lady]

29. See previous post upthread. You may be right.

:loveya:

"He drew a circle that included me out; I drew a circle that included him in."

[Radio_Lady]

30. Unitarian/Universalist citation for this quote, which I use frequently.

A 19th century Unitarian once said "He drew a circle that excluded me; so I drew a circle that included him."

[TheDebbieDee]

13. What makes you so sure that the people who put forth this meme

(that Obama can't win in the fall) are Clinton supporters?

I'm of the opinion that you can't take what everyone says at face value here or at any other message board. Repukes have learned from experience that the best way to conquer is to divide and I've noticed that they have been doing a lot of dividing here at during the primary season.

Don't do the repukes jobs for them by repeating what I think is baseless speculation. TRUE Democrats, REAL Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who he or she is.

[Drunken Irishman]

16. It's possible, maybe they aren't.

I don't know, I just see it posted a lot by people claiming to be Clinton supporters here.

I won't name names, but I think you probably know who I'm talking about.

[Radio_Lady]

22. DI, I call this paranoia, and I try to avoid it. The mods have enough problems.

[Radio_Lady]

21. Exactly what I posted last April, after thinking it through the best I could at that time.

"TRUE Democrats, REAL Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who he or she is."

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Skidmore]

19. After Super Tuesday, Clinton's campaign has been almost entirely

smoke and mirrors and negativity. Inflated dollar amounts, outrageous claims about levels of support in some states, outright lies...a shell game conducted in concert with the right wing media machine which is still going on.

[Radio_Lady]

24. Remember, you are dividing a party that must unite for our best chance to win in November.

Maybe you're wrong. Maybe you're right. But it's "the truth" as you see it. Millions of people disagree with you, but their voices are still being heard until June 3rd.

It's all divisive and unnecessary at this point.

White dove for unity...

[Skidmore]

31. I am not dividing a party by opinion.

Unless, of course, you would care to hurl the same accusation toward the Clintons and their supporters, who are apparently held blameless at all times. The "truth" of my opinion is based on the words and actions of Hillary and her surrogates. There is a very reality of deeds and statements which have been extremely offensive and deceitful which I cannot ignore. "I'm not ready to make nice," to quote the DCs.

[Radio_Lady]

39. Fine. You win, Skidmore. I just hope we can win the Presidency and Vice Presidency.

You are shining a ray of light on only one side of this situation, which is the side you support. You are blinded by that ray of light so I believe you cannot see the other side or are putting all the negativity in one spot.

It is divisive -- a daily drip, drip, drip here in GD : P -- as many other actions, accusations, opinions, and perhaps even the final results. We could go down in total defeat and have to accept McCain for four years. That is unacceptable to me.

I'm trying my best to omit that crucial last step. Decipher this however you wish. That is all.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. The "Hillary supporter" chasm is bullshit.

It's a few hundred people.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. Please keep this in mind: the superdelegates KNOW this...

as do The Enablers no matter how many times they sling mud. If the supers were convinced that Obama's so-called "shortcomings" will cause him to lose as the Clintons assert, then shouldn't the supers be defecting to Hillary en masse? The fact that they aren't speaks volumes. Pardon the language, but they aren't buying into the bullshit being thrown at them by the Clintons, The Enablers, and the M$M.

They are waiting until the last vote has been cast and the meeting takes place this Saturday.

[Radio_Lady]

35. What is this, some kind of a movie script? "The Enablers" -- written and directed by

Liberal_Stalwart71, who interestingly enough posts nothing about himself. One can only wonder whether s/he hasn't just fallen into some despicable ditch wherein he finds the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No problem -- just get in line for a pleasant, youthful, and charismatic candidate without too much experience and damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

After that, the plot thickens so much there's nowhere to go -- but wander into the realm of the absurd.

We shall see what we shall see. Let me know if you come up with some actors and a real distributing company for your cinematic crapola.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

[FrenchieCat]

36. Obama supporters are keeping their powder dry......

for now.

[Radio_Lady]

37. What kind of powder are you talking about? Is that face powder, or gun powder?

[FrenchieCat]

40. As long as it stays dry, it doesn't matter.

[Radio_Lady]

41. LOL. From www.usingenglish.com, it's an unnecessarily militaristic term, but OK.

Idiom: Keep your powder dry

Idiom Definition

Meaning:
If you keep your powder dry, you act cautiously so as not to damage your chances.

Category:
War and conflict

[Skittles]

38. ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLED n/t

[Radio_Lady]

42. As in "What fools we mortals be?" or would you rather explain yourself?

:popcorn:

n/t

[Skittles]

43. the idolization / demonization of these candidates

it is way, WAY over the top and absolutley DISGUSTING to witness

[Radio_Lady]

47. Skittles, way to go!