Does anybody know which military Obama's uncle fought for?

[2rth2pwr]

Obama seems to have rewritten WWII history such that the allies liberated Auschwitz. (On Memorial Day!)

Here is the shocking video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA&eurl

...Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz... http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml

Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: "The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic." http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/26/obama_speaks_with_deep_humilit.html

Auschwitz of course is in Poland. It was liberated by the Red Army (Russian) on Jan 27 1945. Poland, on most maps is usually placed to the east of Germany.

The Allies were wrapping up the battle of the bulge in late January of 1945 -- the Rhine crossings were still well into the future when Auschwitz was liberated. The

first, the Remagen railway bridge which was discovered intact, was crossed on March 7 1945.


--
And by the way, which Uncle? Obama's mom was an only child and his dad was Kenyan. Maybe he was referring to one of his mother's uncles?; presumably his grandfather

and grandmother had brothers of service age during WWII? And presumably the uncle in question was involved in the liberation of some other prison camp?




Now, more than ever, we need Hillary.

Editing to add link to where this story came from- as you can see, he uses "sees dead people" that I used first- I was seeing who else thought of the same theme, obviously many people saw the connection. While reading I saw ANOTHER gaffe by Obama, there you go.
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/05/obama-hes-ready.html

[David Dunham]

1. He was with Patton's US army, which did liberate concentration camps

[lumpy]

92. Patton's army didn't liberate Auschwitz , the Russians did.

Obama must have gotten the story or the right army wrong.

[palindrome]

115. Bosnia comments are an issue, this isn't? Obamanautical!

[The Doctor.]

141. I don't recall Obama claiming he dodged sniper fire at Auschwitz.

But I'm sure you'll find a way to find parity in anything.

[Chulanowa]

122. I think that's the case...

Sad, but there are a LOT of people who don't know the names of any of the death camps besides Auschwitz-Birkenau and thus it's the first one that comes to mind when the topic comes up.

I have no doubt that his uncle was part of Patton's Army, just that the guy's nephew is getting the particulars confused.

[Hieronymus]

267. Can't we keep freepers off this board?

[NotThisTime]

236. Obama's Great Uncle Was A Member Of The 89th Infantry Division That Liberated The Ohrduf Camp

[NotThisTime]

238. His Grandfather was in Patton's army - a family of military members

[fascisthunter]

2. BREAKING: Hillary Lost

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

67. BREAKING BREAKING: And McSame won't win.

[fascisthunter]

80. thank you!

[reflection]

3. Yes, we need Hillary.

Because she is all that is truthful and good. :crazy:

[marmar]

4. "Now, more than ever, we need Hillary."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Why do you cling to this fantasy? It's bad for your mental health.

[Arugula Latte]

186. Hillary would never make shit up. 'Specially things about war and sniper fire and such...

:rofl:

[Cant trust em]

5. I really think that this falls under more of misunderstood family legend

He says that his uncle was one of the first American troops to have "entered" Auschwitz. Then it gets muddled with "liberated". Obviously the difference is that liberating is the actual ousting of the original occupying force and entering can be done any time after liberation. I believe that this was a confusion of the two instead of a deliberate attempt to mislead us.

[OzarkDem]

12. One would think

that running for president would motivate a candidate to make sure his historical knowledge of WWII is correct.

[gabeana]

31. you just walked into it

why don't you learn that you can't win with trying to be ironic or funny

it is more important to have historical knowledge of presidential primary politics

Hillary wrong on 1968 and 1992 campaign

MARK SHIELDS: I think it was, at the best, totally reckless. I mean, her history is absolutely faulty. Robert Kennedy's first primary, Ray, was in May 7th of 1968. He was murdered four weeks later. She's talking about a long campaign.

This campaign began the first week in January. She's still talking about June. So, I mean, it's faulty there.

And then her explanation afterwards was just unbelievable. She said, Senator Kennedy, Edward Kennedy, had been on my mind. And, therefore, I was thinking in these terms.

I mean, it's absolutely bizarre. And I just -- I really do think it was a reckless statement and one for which she should be held accountable.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/brookshields_05-23.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/us/politics/27checkpoint.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

Bill in his book says that he wrapped it April of 92

[OzarkDem]

53. Talking about Obama

and his shameless attempts to ride the coattails of his "racist" relatives.

[gabeana]

102. No you were talking about knowing history as a measure

to be president, You were trying to be cute, I just pointed out your hypocrisy. A hypocrisy the Clinton choir is full of.

[Doityourself]

133. I hear Crickets yet again. Poor Poor OzarkDem..shown up yet again..with fact

[EmilyAnne]

184. His racist relatives? What is wrong with you? You can't be real.

[2rth2pwr]

206. You already forgot about his racist Grannie?

[EmilyAnne]

240. He never said she is racist. You are saying that. How do you defend that? Utter bullshit.

I really hope that you are getting paid for these posts. I truly do. The alternative is much more horrible.

[2rth2pwr]

243. What was he saying when he brought up that anecdote and referred

to her as a "typical white person"?

[EmilyAnne]

251. Well, see, he specifically said that she was not racist. He was saying that she had fears of

people who were not like her, but there was no racial animosity behind those fears. You should already know the exact quote by now.

[2rth2pwr]

252. He did not say there was no racial animosity bhind those fears.

[democracy1st]

259. Your name should be 2rth2BS ,I guarantee you that Barack Obama is your Nominee for Pres.

[WinkyDink]

124. No, it's a case of accuracy and calling everyone on it.

[Labors of Hercules]

183. duly noted. I'm sure he'll correct it in his next speech.

now, do you think you might could go correct things that are actually relevant for a change?

[Arrowhead2k1]

62. Yeah sure,

and Hillary couldn't even get the history of her OWN life straight. (Read: Bosnia sniper fire)

[merh]

68. One would think that running for president would

would motivate a candidate to make sure her historical knowledge of her travels as first lady were correct, she could even check her own book and her daughter's thesis to verify the information - hell, even her campaign staff and speech writers could look it up if they were so concerned about the truth and running a smart campaign.

:rofl:

[Brundle_Fly]

76. Or Bosnian

when you were there.

[lumpy]

94. I suppose the GOP will be using this bit of Obama 'family

history'in the coming fight for the top job.

[Doityourself]

130. One would think someone running for president would be motivated to speak the truth about being

under sniper fire, especially if they have their child in tow and cameras all around.

At least, an honest, upfront, trustworthy, truthful person would think so...

[wmbrew0206]

46. I don't think any US Troops ended up in Poland after WWII

[ieoeja]

77. Or more likely it was another camp.

A lot of people use "Auschwitz" as a synonym for "NAZI concentration camp".

I imagine his great-uncle helped liberate Buchenwald, Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, Dachau, or Mauthausen. Family members probably forgot which, if they ever knew, and just tossed out Auschwitz as the most recognizable name.

[lumpy]

97. Obama shouldn't ride the coattails of his relatives military

exploits if he can't even get the facts straight. It could quite likely be BS cooked up by his speech writers for all we know.

[Doityourself]

134. hillary can't even get her own coattails straight..lol..yeah I had my daughter with me and we were

both under sniper fire!

[SwampG8r]

101. unlike the OP

[galledgoblin]

220. I agree

I have two great uncles, still alive, who both served in WWII; for years I thought great uncle "A" was at Pearl Harbor, but then it turned out to be the great uncle "B"... I think... I KNOW that great uncle "B" was there, but I'm still not clear where "A" served, he may have been at Pearl Harbor as well, or (what makes the most sense), both served at Pearl Harbor, and "B" was actually there for the attack whereas "A" was stationed there later.

it's hard to keep the exact detail of family mythology straight. it's best to write everything down so the facts are certain if you want them, but for the purposes like this speech, it's not the exact details that mattered, it's the message and the emotion that the story carries.

[Marrah_G]

6. First of all WW2 would probably mean a great uncle

Secondly he is referencing a family story- Perhaps someone forgot the name of the camp and went with the most well known one?

Why are you continuing to make big issues out of nothing?

You are no better then the assholes who condemn Hillary for every minute detail of every sentence.

Stop this shit, it doesn't do anything except widen the fucking divide.

Are you a Democrat? Do you even give a shit about our party?

Your posts are the same as some asshole RWer, looking for the smallest detail to play "gotcha" with.

Remember that Obama is a Dem and he may well be our Nominee.... so stop this shit.

[lumpy]

103. Since Hillary Clinton has been pummeled, literarily spit upon,

vilified, shit upon and generally condemed to hell in the name of Barack Hussein Obama, it is mighty tempting to respond in same to her political rival B.H.Obama.

[NOLALady]

138. McCain should be her rival.

[onenote]

139. I don't think you know what the word "literally" means

I think if someone had "literally", as opposed to "figuratively" shit on a presidential candidate, it would be big news.

Then again, maybe a pigeon got her.

[pnorman]

156. "Barack Hussein Obama,"

Didn't you mean to say: "Barack Hussein Osama"?

pnorman

[uberllama42]

167. When did someone literally spit on HRC?

Do you have a link for that?

[kdpeters]

191. That literally depents on the meaning of literally--literally.

Clyde and Judith (a.k.a. the Literally Duo)

Clyde (Michael McDonald) and Judith (Nicole Sullivan) are a married couple without children who often attend youth events such as little league baseball games. They provide sarcastic and bitter commentary and often end their sentences with the word literally. (At a school play, Judith comments on the costume designs, claiming she "has not seen so many overly-made up fat kids since The Facts of Life went to Paris--literally"). Clyde makes comments such as, "That parking lot was so busy it was seeing more traffic than Mariah Carey's vagina--literally."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MADtv_recurring_characters#Clyde_and_Judith_.28a.k.a._the_Literally_Duo.29

[dionysus]

109. thank you.

[smiley_glad_hands]

120. My sentiments exactly. Thankyou. eom

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

The Soviets were with the Allies.

Dipshit.

[2rth2pwr]

15. Maybe that's it. Because we were allies, Obama ties us to them as they liberated Auschwitz,

and because we were such close allies it was just like we were doing the liberating. And since it was like we were liberating Auschwitz and his "uncle" was in the US

military(?), therefore his Uncle liberated Auschwitz.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. What was the actual quote?

[2rth2pwr]

36. Make sure you turn up your speakers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA&eurl

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Why don't you just transcribe it?

:shrug:

[2rth2pwr]

59. I provide you three sources, if you can't figure it out, too bad.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. You provided me with youtube, but I haven't got audio.

The other two links contain no quotes from Obama, and appear to be in error.

[Leopolds Ghost]

87. Shocker@! Obama ties America to the Red Soviets! Claims we were "allies"

Americans will not stand for this sort of talk regardless of whether it is technically true, which few alive can verify or remember anyway.

[reggie the dog]

145. Few can verify????

What is so hard to understand. We had a common enemy, so we united. Once WWII ended in Europe the USA took the USSR as a rival into consideration. The USA having to show the USSR its power helped lead to the decision to drop an A bomb on Japan. This shows that they were our ally, but only to fight a common enemy. The USSR on the other hand lost millions of soldiers so when they did not leave eastern Europe the USA was not about to do anything fearing the USSR would just be willing to lose millions more. In the end the USSR was a key ally to help defeat the Nazi's. The cold war did not start until after VE day.

[Leopolds Ghost]

262. I was being sarcastic... "Hillary supporters" appealing to historical ignorance.

Red-baiting, and making light of Obama's uncle's witnessing the Holocaust all at once.

[lumpy]

116. LOL

Yes the US and USSR were the best of friends at the time so we joined forces and fought side by side. LOL

[reggie the dog]

147. They were key allies

They were crucial. Of course they were our allies. Explain to me how one of the most leftist presidents in the history of the USA, FDR, would have refused the assistance of the communist USSR to fight against the right wing facist Nazi party.

[lumpy]

165. Russia was at war and being invaded by the Germans if you

recall. Yes, why refuse an ally in fighting the common enemy? The two armies were in seperate command of course, the USSR was not under the auspices of the US military. The Russian fighting was primarily on the eastern European front.

[reggie the dog]

176. I know

I never said they fought under the same command. Japan and Germany were allies too but they had different command. Italy and Germany were allies but had different command until Italy fucked up in north Africa and the Nazis had to come bail them out. The USA and the USSR signed a mutual aid pact in 1942.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Oh, and look at this...

It seems a cut and paste job is the source of your error...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/27/whoa-now-thats-a-gaffe/

What was that about plagiarism and xeroxing?

[JackBeck]

25. Wow. Cut and paste, with no credit, from right-wing web sources.

Pathetic.

[reflection]

27. No way. You're kidding. (rolling eyes)

[JackBeck]

32. OP's qoute:

Auschwitz of course is in Poland. It was liberated by the Red Army (Russian) on Jan 27 1945. Poland, on most maps is usually placed to the east of Germany.

The Allies were wrapping up the battle of the bulge in late January of 1945 -- the Rhine crossings were still well into the future when Auschwitz was liberated. The

first, the Remagen railway bridge which was discovered intact, was crossed on March 7 1945.

RW site, subsequently linked to on Malkins website:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/265103.php

Auschwitz of course is in Poland. It was liberated by the Red Army on Jan 27 1945. Poland, on most maps is usually placed to the east of Germany, although we may need to investigate the geography textbooks the Messiah used as a child...

The Allies were wrapping up the battle of the bulge in late January of 1945 -- the Rhine crossings were still well into the future when Auschwitz was liberated. The first, the Remagen railway bridge which was discovered intact, was crossed on March 7 1945.

[reflection]

38. I know. I didn't add the sarcasm smilie. Sorry. n/t

[JackBeck]

44. Hey, I knew where you were coming from, no apology necessary.

Just wanted to add some context, since the OP is 'borrowing' text from another website and not linking to the source.



:pals:

[reflection]

73. Let's not forget the big picture, though.

<serious tone>

Now, more than EVER, we NEED Hillary.

</serious tone>

:rofl:

[2rth2pwr]

99. I edited the OP to include the link where this came from.

Why don't you address the facts of this gaffe made on, of all days, Memorial Day?

[uberllama42]

231. The proof-reading on the clip from Malkin's site is pretty sad

Not a surprise on the Internet, but I just enjoy pointing out that kind of thing.

[2rth2pwr]

265. The link is in the OP.

[tblue37]

181. Well, surprise, surprise! (/Gomer) n/t

[2rth2pwr]

39. You see a similar story on that site and assume I took it from her?

I'm glad at least that you are taking the trouble to confirm it. What have you found out about the truthfulness of Obama's remarks?

[NYCGirl]

41. And your wording is ABSOLUTELY the same as Malkin's. Good work! NT

[2rth2pwr]

51. Where do you see that I take anything from Malkin?

Looks like she covers the story too. She covers it means I stole it from her? Wrong.

[NYCGirl]

57. ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6147846&mesg_id=6147993

[2rth2pwr]

66. She uses two of the same sources I do, Those 2 links are everywhere.

If all you do is live at DU, you would not know that.

[NYCGirl]

69. Dude, you should have at least rephrased Malkin's words. You're giving

yourself away.

[2rth2pwr]

72. There are none of Malkin's words in my post. Check this out

[Doityourself]

136. Ha Ha...the OP is a MEGA fraud and Dem impostor..lol and just got...

[DevonRex]

146. PLUS he went back and edited and then whines. Poser. nt

[Doityourself]

152. Indeed. What a frickin' loser..of mega proportions!

[JackBeck]

71. Yet you pass those words off as your own

since you did not link from where you did a lousy cut and paste job (note the line breaks...)

[2rth2pwr]

75. OK here

http://www.memeorandum.com/

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

79. I don't see any Obama quotes there.

How about you just post his actual quote, instead of spending all this time posting things that aren't his quote?

It would save you time and effort.

[JackBeck]

83. Thanks for admitting you are cutting and pasting from right wing blogs.

n/t

[2rth2pwr]

90. You guys are getting really paranoid. Now CBS, WashingtonPost, and youtube are right wing blogs?

[JackBeck]

93. Keep digging your grave.

You did a lazy cut and paste from Ace of Spades. And you didn't even take the time to correct the line breaks in your rush to post this on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6147846&mesg_id=6148105

[lumpy]

142. The source of fact doesn't disatract from the truth does it?

Obviously Obama's uncle or whatever didn't liberate Auschwitz. Your snow job machime is lame.

[JackBeck]

148. Are you comfortable with a DUer cutting and pasting material from a right wing website

without providing a link?

[lumpy]

174. Not at all if it is factual and it appears that it is.

There are other sources as well even if the wording is not the same. Cut and paste is not a sin.

[JackBeck]

182. Never said cut and paste was a sin.

But when you do, it generally goes, you link to your source instead of giving the appearance that those words are your own.

Ann Coulter could use a lesson in this, as well.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

214. It was not factual.

As the Soviets were with the allies.

"Cut and paste is not a sin."

No, but plagiarism is.

[lumpy]

149. Personal attacks don't cut it . Is that all you can say?

Cut and paste cut and paste cut and paste Obama got his family military history fuxed up. Didn't do well on WW2 history either.

[JackBeck]

151. Question:

Don't you have a problem with a DUer copying, almost word for word, a post from a right wing source without giving credit to that source, in essence, claiming those words as their own?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. And you just happened to use the exact same verbiage?

The jig is up, son.

[2rth2pwr]

54. The jig is up? haha

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/05/obama-hes-ready.html

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. Still haven't gotten a first hand quote.

Maybe because there isn't one?

[endarkenment]

49. shameless caught red handed fess up stand up admit it

'tis a fair cop.

You fucked up.

[2rth2pwr]

82. See my OP for edit at bottom.

[SwampG8r]

112. this is funny last night i got to watch another one get its ass handed to

it when it asked a question and was schooled right away
they are committing mass stupicide

[movonne]

84. Have you learned to be a RWer from your candidate and get your

news from one of the worst hateful people (with the exception of Ann) you could find...

[Renew Deal]

118. Confirm that you're a RW troll?

That was confirmed ages ago.

[here_is_to_hope]

128. SIMILAR? Its word for fucking word! FROM MALKIN!

Man o man, what a shitpig you are....

[2rth2pwr]

196. Nice. Do you know the difference between sources she posts on her site and

her own words?

[madrchsod]

88. linking to michelle... now that`s a dead give away---

[2rth2pwr]

91. Yes he linked to MM. See my OP and follow bottom link.

[SwampG8r]

lol

HILLARY CLINTON bullshit you can xerox
lol

[lumberjack_jeff]

106. Malkin is quoting CBS - just like the OP. n/t

[lumpy]

171. No reasoning with the Obamaites. DU-GDP is their holy land

doncha' know.

[lumpy]

169. Oh my goooooood

horibulllllllllllll

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

179. Maybe you don't get it.

Maybe you don't want too.

But the OP showed up with a link to the story, and several unattributed lines copied and pasted from some blog, "Purple Headed Member" or some such thing, complete with a semi-literate historical error, and tried to pass them off as his own words.

He got caught, then tried to deny the ruse for awhile before finally editing the OP.

"horibulllllllllllll"

Well, it's highly dishonest and hypocritical, to say the least.

[lumpy]

111. The US army did not liberate Auschwitz. The Soviet army did.

The Soviet army and the US army did not fight shoulder to shoulder, so to speak. The Soviet army fought on the eastern front of Europe. They remained two seperate entities under seperate command.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

131. No shit, Sherlock.

What's your point?

[lumpy]

154. The point.? You gave the impression that you thought the USSR

and the US army fought under the same command and front. Have you verified Obamas words that his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz yet? If not, it is on Utube video.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

164. My point is that the U.S. and USSR were both part of the Allies.

The OP, being under the wonderfully ironic, misconception that the Soviet forces and the Allies were two different things.

[formercia]

7. Junior's grandfather was a NAZI enabler, collaborator and financier.

No way is Obama going to even come close.

[AllentownJake]

8. Thor would be ashamed of you

Very Very Very ashamed of you.

[2rth2pwr]

42. For...? Truth telling?

[AllentownJake]

63. Lying for a

Super Villian.

Shame.

[galledgoblin]

222. verily, you have read my mind, friend!

what ho, 2th2pwr? your words carry as much subtlety as Loki's!

*clears throat* ok, enough of that.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. Those who don't know...

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.”
Edmund Burke quotes (British Statesman and Philosopher, 1729-1797)

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. He was there with his buddy reagan.

[OzarkDem]

11. Like Bill Clinton

Obama only pretends to be related to them when he needs to borrow from their legacies.

One must wonder whether Obama ever actually met or acknowledged them at any other time.

[gal]

40. Oh just like Hillary is from every state in the union.

[lumpy]

160. Conveniatly he has his own borrowed war stories to relate.

Pretty stupid. Doesn't he realize that practically everyone in this country has family and relatives that took part in WW2 and that many many families lost loved ones. As though his war 'story' is exclusive and somehow makes him special. Pfaw

[Hippo_Tron]

13. Ahem

[Lucky 13]

14. You are PATHETIC and DIM-WITTED.

1) He didn't say his uncle was one of the ones who LIBERATED Auschwitz, he said he was among the first US troops at Auschwitz. So, presumably, the Russians liberated it and he, along with other US forces, came later.

2) It's OBVIOUSLY a great-uncle. An uncle wouldn't even have been in the age range to fight in WWII. I don't know about you, but in my family, we don't call our great-uncles "Great-Uncle"... we call them "Uncle".



You want to pick apart family stories of brave service to our country? You want to try desperately to catch him in a lie? Have at it. It's a waste of your time and it makes you look PATHETIC.

But hey, if you want to have a "Battle of the Liars" contest between him and Hillary, I'm ready to roll if you are.

[reflection]

20. Isn't it pathetic?

S/he clings to Hillary's failed candidacy like my infant daughter clinging to a small plastic toy - screaming and kicking as if the world depended on it, when in reality what she holds is nothing. Sad, I tell you.

[2rth2pwr]

21. He said liberate. Words matter...

"Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz.."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Have you got a quote?

:shrug:

[JackBeck]

28. Hold on for a few minutes

He's waiting for Malkin to return the call.

[Bok_Tukalo]

29. Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. No audio here.

What does he actually say?

[maui9002]

157. My best shot at transcribing from YouTube video

"I had a (sic) uncle who was one of the (ummm), who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was...is that when he came home he just went up into the attic, and he didn't leave the house for six months...alright. Now, obviously, something had, had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren't the kinds of facilities to help somebody work throught that kind of pain."

A little difficult to pick out someo of the words, but this is pretty close to what he said.

I note that the story appears to have been used not to build up his own credentials, but to argue that the country owes veterans better health care upon their return.

[reflection]

24. I'm with Lucky13. Of all the arenas to fight in,

you may not want to pick the 'words and truth matter' one.

:smoke:

[Zueda]

60. If words matter you'd pay attention to the keyword "helped"...

Auschwitz was comprised of up to 48 sub camps spreading out many kilometers I think it's feasable that American troops played some role.

[2rth2pwr]

LOL! Hahahahaha heeehehehheeeehhehe !! ......"subcamps" lol!

[Barrymores Ghost]

208. GREAT response!!

Really, I think the whole laughter meme really captured it for you! Don't pay any attention to the previous poster's points of order -- just laugh alot. THAT'LL secure your argumentative legitimacy.

[2rth2pwr]

212. "Points of order"? LOL!

This isn't some official Board of Directors meeting is it?

[Barrymores Ghost]

216. Excellent riposte!! BRILLIANT rejoinder!!!

Deflect to avoid answering the question!!

You are officially a Repugnicunt lackey.

[2rth2pwr]

218. OK- Ohrdruf is not a "subcamp" of Auschwitz. That better?

[Lucky 13]

188. That very clearly is written by the author of this article, NOT his QUOTE

[Name removed]

190. Deleted message

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[TahitiNut]

107. Actually, I think the OP has proven, time and again, ...

... that his being "pathetic" and "dim-witted" would be a marked improvement. :shrug: :eyes:

[lumberjack_jeff]

110. I am Obama's age. My father fought in WWII as a very young man.

He was sent home with a purple heart before he could legally drink.

[TahitiNut]

187. Obama's mother was 7 months older than me ... and my parents' generation fought in WW2

Just sayin'. :shrug:

[lumberjack_jeff]

189. My oldest sibling was born in 1944. I was born in 1962.

I had a first uncle who lived during WWI.

I have a niece who is just a few months younger than me.

Families get all spread out. It is not implausible that Obama could have a first uncle who is a WWII vet.

[reggie the dog]

155. my grandfather walked into a camp after it was liberated

3 days after it was liberated. From what he told me he was doing logistics for the people who were taking care of the dead bodies. He showed me pictures of the bodies in heaps that one of the guys in his division was taking (he said the guy with the camera passed out duplicate photos to the guys in his division (I think it was "division" but maybe a different word). Fucked up shit was seen in those pictures. Enough to give my grad dad nightmares. He said that after you saw that you really knew why you were fighting. He was somewhere in Belgium, France, or Germany during the war but I forget what camp the photos came from. He gave me a knife with a swastika on it that he stole off of a Nazi officer he killed but I am afraid that it will be confiscated if I try to bring it to France as our shitty anti-free speech laws against racism make anything with a swastika illegal here in France, even if it is something our grandfather got off of killing a nazi. If I really wanted to push it I would bring it at the same time as my copy of Mein Kamph (I majored in history at the university and did a research paper on the cult of personality of Hitler, I am not a fan of his).

[lumpy]

162. Review Utube video of his gaffe.

Why should he use a personal family 'legend'(his word) in a purely political speech honoring those who gave their all in that war. Self aggrandizing.

[maui9002]

177. As evidence that people do make mistakes in telling stories

"legend" was not a word that Senator Obama used, at least not in the YouTube video; rather, it was a word used by the reporter in the CBS article linked in the OP. Here's my transcription of what Obama said, which may have some minor errors, but I think it's pretty close.

"I had a (sic) uncle who was one of the (ummm), who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was...is that when he came home he just went up into the attic, and he didn't leave the house for six months...alright. Now, obviously, something had, had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren't the kinds of facilities to help somebody work throught that kind of pain."

In addition, to be fair, the comment did not appear to me to be self aggrandizing; instead, it was used to buttress his support for the GI Bill, which Hillary Clinton also strongly supports.

[Straight Shooter]

207. I think that's what bothers me, too, the self-aggrandizing.

As if the heroism or service of his family members would, by osmosis, become part of his own character. It doesn't work that way.

From his anti-Iraq war speech:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

It isn't the first time he's invoked Auschwitz specifically. That speech he gave in 2002 was written and well-prepared.

Did his grandfather hear "the stories of fellow troops" from his uncle? Why didn't Obama mention his grandfather in his Memorial Day speech? For that matter, why didn't he mention his uncle in his anti-war speech?

[democracy1st]

260. Repeat after me Obama has won case closed

[JVS]

16. Red Army?

[haymakeragain]

17. Not quite up there wth the "Kennedy was asassinated in June" fuck up, but nice try,

again.

[malik flavors]

22. LOL "Now, more than ever, we need Hillary."

Pathetic.

[ProSense]

26. Why does your spin always match the wingnuts verbatim?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/27/whoa-now-thats-a-gaffe/

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/27/obama-my-grandfather-liberated-auschwitz/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30096_Obama-_My_Uncle_Helped_Liberate_Auschwitz_(Bzzt!_Wrong!)_-_Update-_Video_Added#rss




http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-memorial-day-gaffe-scrubbed-from.html

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/27/the-obama-gaffe-machine-rolls-on/

[reflection]

34. Because their goals are parallel. n/t

[haymakeragain]

35. That's a damn good question.

I'm not holding my breath for an answer, that's for sure.

[Undercurrent]

33. You Clinton folk who are threatening to vote for McInsane...

might want to take a look at HIS "hero" medals. You could start with the late Col. David Hackworth.

And all of the posts here by my fellow Obama supporters are bang on.

[leftofcool]

37. Obama is full of shit as usual

Funny, he didn't name the uncle or specify which grandfather was in WW2. I suppose he thinks this qualifies as having foreign policy experience.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Perhaps because he doesn't have a maternal uncle.

And the article is in error.

:shrug:

[TheDoorbellRang]

170. He had two great uncles -- both his grandmother and grandfather each had a brother

And personally, I might add I've had three great aunts, all of whom I've merely called "Aunt" instead of "Great Aunt," so it doesn't seem strange that he would call either of his great uncles, "Uncle."

[LSK]

47. nothing like sniperfire to form someones worldview

:eyes:

[NYCGirl]

48. This grandfather:

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/05/21/obama-s-wwii-connection.aspx

This will make for a fascinating political and cultural moment:

To underline his own family's military pedigree, Obama plans a trip in coming weeks to the Punchbowl National Cemetery in Hawaii, where his grandfather, who served in World War II, is buried.

P.S. I hadn't known Obama's great-grandfather was named Ralph Waldo Emerson (Dunham). That seems fitting, although apparently Mr. Dunham didn't much care for the name.

--Michael Crowley

[Doityourself]

140. Hater...plain and simple. A bitter one too.

[Iceburg]

199. Maybe its his uncle in the attic ... Jerimiah Wright /nt

[rodeodance]

256. Obama is puffy up his family history

[Gore1FL]

52. His grandfather was in the U.S. military in WW II

Where did Uncle come from?

[Gore1FL]

78. OK Found it.

1> He is talking about a great uncle.

2> He probably mispoke, and meant Buchenwald, Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenburg, Dachau, or Mauthausen. Who knows how the story was relayed to him.

Why is this an issue, but sniper fire wasn't? At least Barack didn't claim he did the liberating.

Seriously, is that the best you got?

[2rth2pwr]

89. LOL! "Seriously, is that the best you got?", that is an all purpose line used about a million

times for each and every reason not to have Obama as nominee. Are you expecting every post to include every single reason?

[Gore1FL]

95. I'd expect you'd dedicate one of your three daily threads to a real one

I'm sorry I gave you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you had the ability to prioritize.

[backscatter712]

55. The bunny boilers just won't let go, will they?

Face it. She lost.

Focus on beating McCain.

[LisaM]

56. It's not the first time he's made an historical gaffe

He said his parents got together because of events at Selma, when they occurred three years after he was born.

[OzarkDem]

74. He's a delegator

Scary thought, having him in the WH.

Remember when his aides had to talk him out of voting to confirm Roberts as SCOTUS justice? He apparently knew nothing about his record. :scared:

[haymakeragain]

85. No I don't remember, got any proof of that?

Not hillarian/rovian proof, real, documented proof.

[haymakeragain]

81. Hillary's "RFK was asassinated in June" gaffe was historical,

an historically stupid thing to say.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

58. OH MY GOD AND THEY'RE MOOSLIMS!

Jackass.

[Jersey Devil]

64. Hey Matey!

Har, har, har!

[movonne]

70. You hillary people are getting so fucking annoying...it is to a point

that you sound so desperate and shrill.. it is very depressing..

[leftynyc]

100. What exactly is desperate and shrill

about pointing out historical inaccuracies? And before you call me a hillbot or some such other juvenile name, I frankly think both candidates suck but are both better than mccain. I'm just curious that everytime Hillary breathes wrong, there are 20 threads about it but bringing up an Obama fuck up is considered desperate and hysterical.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

113. Are you seriously arguing...

that saying "auschwitz" when you meant "buchenwald" is a serious error?

[haymakeragain]

117. I think it's just dead horse beating at this point.

Many Obama supporters feel she should quit, but instead the negatives continue. Her clumsy claim about June is proof that reality doesn't matter, basically because back in '68 the Cali primary wasn't until June and the process didn't start until March. This year it is much different and hanging on is hurting the party.

She can only steal it at the convention by going negative. She's been negative too long now and it is hurting the Dem chances by dividing the party.

[Doityourself]

143. Yeah, you don't like either candidate..lol..talk about being full of shit..

[here_is_to_hope]

153. Yeah, "I cant be a racist, some of my friends are black!"

That poster always qualifies her comments...

[Doityourself]

158. Hmmm...imagine that!

[leftynyc]

263. Feel free to peruse my posts

When you find one preferring one candidate to the other, do let me know. When you don't I wont be surprised that you don't have the grace to apologize.

[lumpy]

86. Auschwitz was liberatd by the Soviet Russian army

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Auschwitz/Liberation.

Maybe Obama has his family 'legends' mixed up, unless he had an uncle in the Red army. I think the operative word is 'legend'. Obama can't pump up his non-existent militry record by referring questionable 'family legends'. It just comes off as being phony.

[2rth2pwr]

98. Especially on Memorial Day.

[haymakeragain]

119. Talk about faux outrage, you take the cake.

and your meme about the Hillarious gaffe regarding RFK being magnified by the Obama camp is also a lump of shit. That was a gaffe like you read about.

[madrchsod]

96. ohhh.... good god......what are we to do?

............................."NOW, MORE THAN EVER, WE NEED HILLARY"...............................



:rofl: :woohoo::rofl::wow: :rofl::crazy: :rofl: :sarcasm: :rofl: :crazy::rofl::wow: :woohoo::rofl:

[malik flavors]

104. Here's your info.

May 27, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama

Obama's World War II history


Earlier, the Republican National Committee pounced on Obama's improbable statement that an uncle had served in the unit that liberated Auschwitz.

In fact, campaign spokesman Bill Burton says, his great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and according to the Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama's grandmother's brother, who's still alive.

[Hope And Change]

105. Obama's World War II history

Obama's World War II history


Earlier, the Republican National Committee http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Soldiers_in_the_family.html">pounced on Obama's improbable statement that an uncle had served in the unit that liberated Auschwitz.

In fact, campaign spokesman Bill Burton says, his great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and according to the http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10006140">Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama's grandmother's brother, who's still alive.



By Ben Smith 04:30 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Obamas_World_War_II_history.html#comments">Link

[ProSense]

126. Along with the OP, here are all the

asshole wingnut know-it-alls

[Hope And Change]

108. 2rth2pwr: you are behaving like a RW jerk.

[dionysus]

114. RW is as RWdoes as they say....

[SwampG8r]

121. crickets

[smiley_glad_hands]

125. Birds of the same feather flock together. eom

[TahitiNut]

185. Well, d'oh!

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

194. So what's new?

[2rth2pwr]

197. Attack the messenger? If Obama would just stick to the script given to him he's fine.

Every time he gets away from his teleprompters he runs into trouble.

[Barrymores Ghost]

204. Why don't you just own up to being the grub-eating...

...lawn-digger you are?

[2rth2pwr]

205. This place goes nuts trying to insinuate that Hillary's wants to murder Obama,

or have him murdered, and I point out an obvious mistake by Obama and you attack me?

Man, the lengths some of you go to to justify your hate for Hillary.

[Barrymores Ghost]

210. This has to do with "Hillary" how??

You are clearly reaching for anything you can.

She LOST. You need to accept, move on, and support the Democratic Party in the fall. If you can't bring yourself to that, then commit to becoming the inner Fr**per that you are.

[2rth2pwr]

211. It's not over until someone receives the required delegates, you can look it up.

[Barrymores Ghost]

213. D.O.A.

Why don't you invoke an assassinated political figure, or parse the difference between concentration camps, to make your so-called point for her legitimacy, while you're at it, sport?

[2rth2pwr]

219. Aw, don't give up.

[Barrymores Ghost]

221. Was that a response? Okay. Thanks! n/t

[Doityourself]

123. I see dead people too..especially in about a weeks' time!

[WinkyDink]

127. Answered in another thread.

[CTLawGuy]

129. cough *BOSNIA* cough

NT

[Puzzler]

132. Regardless of whether...

... Obama's uncle actually liberated Auschwitz (or some other camp)... it's instructive to read that some of the RW sources cited here seem to be unaware that the Russians were part of the "allies".

[nomaco-10]

135. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED...

He has said his GRANDFATHER on his mother's side fought in WORLD WAR II.

Do you really think he would make it up?

Some of you have gone beyond the pale.

You are GRASPING at straws at this point and should be held accountable for the slimy lies you are allowed to spread here at du.

SHAME ON YOU!!!


EDITED for spelling errors not for content.

[2rth2pwr]

198. He said his Uncle, ya goof. Listen to the youtube link.

[JerseygirlCT]

137. See this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6148806&mesg_id=6148806

[Mike L]

144. The KLF (Kenyan Liberation Front). em

[smiley_glad_hands]

150. Listen to rush much? eom

[dorkulon]

159. Weak.

This doesn't even raise to the level of the "I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary" gaffe.

[onenote]

161. so basically, this boils down to confusion between Auschwitz and Ohrduf

Two horrible places.

YOu really want to make an issue of this?

[Blue-Jay]

163. * pats 2rth2pwr on the head *

<pat pat pat...>

[NashVegas]

166. Oh My, We're Campaigning In Florida Now, Aren't We?

[Asgaya Dihi]

168. What's the point here?

And WTF does it have to do with needing Hillary to do anything but go away? He, or his family in relating it to him, mistook one place for another. So what? Obama wasn't there. My stepfather served with the Green Berets in Nam and I've mentioned that to people who doubted me, tried to quiz me about what units he was with and where he served. How the hell would I know? He was there, not me, and most vets I've personally known aren't big on personally relating war stories. They tend toward being pretty quiet about it so I can see how a more common name would have got confused with the real one when related second or third hand.

Should he have checked? Probably, but again, so what? It's hardly up there with confusing flowers from a little girl with sniper fire and that done first hand with you rather than related second hand or worse. All this accomplishes is to further feed a divide we'll need to get over if we plan to do something that is actually useful such as beating McCain.

[styersc]

172. Author of this thread, and anyone who thinks it is relevant is

obviously a bigot is likely hoping for assassination.

We should be making a list so that when Obama is elected Messiah, I mean President, we can round up opponents and put them in camps.

[Asgaya Dihi]

175. Ya think so?

Not big on lists myself, nor messiahs. Not big on dirty politics either though and one side has been more prone to that than the other here. If some can't understand that it's not just where you want to go but also how you plan to get us there I don't know what else to tell them, but that in itself moved my vote and I'd imagine others as well.

It ain't useful to assume about the other side and tell them who they are or what they think though. The repubs did that for years and look how it worked for them. They were almost always wrong, others almost always knew it, and they almost always made themselves look like an ass for it and lost support. It's a poor tactic for any side, you can frame who your opponent is and what they stand for to a point but past that it's counterproductive and personally I'd hope the point it is productive to keeps getting smaller and more irrelevant until it finally goes away and leaves us discussing something like issues for a change.

[uberllama42]

173. How can you be outraged that Obama botched a small detail

When you don't even know that the Soviet Union was an Ally?

[WinkyDink]

178. I think I read this OP elsewhere:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=102323&comments=1

[CaptJasHook]

180. What does it matter?

This OP is a Hillary/McCain shill. Pay no attention.

[IndyOp]

192. You should take some time to sit and feel ashamed of this post.

I wish you peace.

[2rth2pwr]

209. Maybe Obama should think about puffing up family history as it applies to the Holocaust.

I'm trying to get the straight story, obviously you could care less.

[IndyOp]

215. If I believed that you cared "about getting the story straight" I wouldn't have replied. (n/t)

[Gore1FL]

193. You should look at ths thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6150534

and maybe try and seek forgiveness.

The kitchen sink approach doesn't work and usually covers the person throwing it with sewage.

[madrchsod]

202. they do`t give a fuck

just post shit to see if it sticks....

[indimuse]

195. Pretty Lame AND Obvious!

"Maybe Obama tried to solve his problem with Jewish voters and veterans..hence, trying to use the Holocaust for political gain ??? just sayin...He's mastered 'pandering' better than anyone I've seen. "The Obama Pander Dance!"...anyone?


K&R!

[Forkboy]

200. But enough about the OP.

[madrchsod]

201. you`re using the latest John McCain talking point...

do`t look now but your right wing is showing.....

[Barrymores Ghost]

203. Hillary LOST.

Keep pluggin' the GOP talking points, though. It's so helpful.

[undeterred]

217. "Now, more than ever, we need Hillary."

like we need holes drilled in our heads... :rofl:

[canadian_is_cold]

223. American in the 89th Infantry Division, and it was Buchenwald that he ment.

[2rth2pwr]

224. Do you think that's what he "meant"? Or do you think that this man of words,

the one who believes in the power of words, the power of words to transform us, to transform us into a new kind of politics, a new kind of politics that transcends our

divisions said what he meant?

[Gore1FL]

225. I know what he meant.

I also know you skipped over the point of the message anyways, which was support for soldiers so they don;t have to deal with the horrors of war by locking themselves up in an attic for months.

But hey, if you can capitalize on something trivial and the only ones it hurts are holocaust survivors and soldiers, you are more than happy to do so.

Aren't there puppies somewhere you still need to torture?

[2rth2pwr]

226. Obama's the one who's taking advantage of people on Memorial Day with those exaggerations.

[Gore1FL]

227. It isn't an exageration to say the wrong name

Get over yourself.

[2rth2pwr]

228. Auschwitz is the most infamous concentration camp in history. Yes, it is

embellishing a story to make it sound better.

[Gore1FL]

230. So the people who died or were tortured elswhere are worth less?

Give me a fucking break.

[2rth2pwr]

232. Is that what you think Obama was implying?

[Gore1FL]

237. No, that is clearly what you were implying.

You, after all, consider him getting the name wrong a federal offense, and are happy to through holocaust victims, survivors, their families, the soldiers who liberated them, their families, and current soldiers under the bus so you can waste a thread on flamebait.

[2rth2pwr]

242. I think he chose his words with great care.

[Gore1FL]

244. Obviously he didn't do so well there or he would have gotten the camp name right.

Is this really where you are at right now? I mean how much anger could you possibly have to dis the tortured the imprisoned, and those who rescued them (only to live with the untreated trauma of doing so).

Or is it hate, and not anger? Do you know, or do you simply lash out to avoid thinking about it? That just makes it darker.

[2rth2pwr]

247. Anger, hate and lashing out have nothing to do with it. We need Hillary

in the White House, not McCain. If Obama gets the nom, that's what will happen

[Gore1FL]

249. well...

1> It simply isn't going to happen that way.

2> Bashing Obama over trivial bullshit is not going to change this.

3> There is no rationale argument to be made that shows him losing in November.

[uberllama42]

233. I see how you could get the impression that candidates don't often say what they mean

After all, HRC didn't mean it when she said RFK was assassinated in June. She meant that he won a primary in June. The ugly implication of her historical reference was purely accidental.

Oh, wait. You're applying a completely different standard to your candidate than to Obama. I see how it works now. OK.

[BlooInBloo]

229. Here's a lady who lost 7 family members at Dachau...

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/letter-to-editor-difference-between.html

Want to know how idiotic this is? The difference between Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen-Belsen comes down to the fact that Auschwitz was specifically labeled an extermination camp, whereas the latter three are "merely" concentration camps where people were worked to death. One of the biggest myths surrounding the Holocaust is that every concentration camp was an extermination camp with crematoria. In fact, most were work camps where people were either worked to death, starved to death, shot, or murdered in ways so unthinkable that I cannot even imagine.

Anne Frank died at Bergen-Belsen, and 7 of my family members died at Dachau. I personally don't give a damn that Obama confused Buchenwald and Auschwitz, I'm personally glad that Obama's uncle, and his American/European/and yes, Soviet allies got there and put an end to it before the Nazi's (and their "appeasers") were able to kill, by cyanide or bullet to the head, one more innocent person.

Turning this into a political football is reprehensible, and as the daughter and granddaughter of Jews who currently reside in Florida, I can tell you that this jockeying is sickening to watch. And from the limited sample I have, it isn't doing the RNC any favors (I don't know if its hurting them, but it sure as hell isn't helping).

You guys are seriously evil ghouls.

[TahitiNut]

234. There's no question that the reich-wing and the Hillbots have become ghouls, imho.

The holocaust and assassinations ... lovely shit to use. :puke:

[JoFerret]

258. Thank you for dwelling on both

in one line.

I think it's rather the atmosphere that has been created on DU.

Sowing. reaping. That kind of thing.

All very agricultural really.

[2rth2pwr]

235. Obama made it political, if he had just told the story like it

happened, it would not be a big deal. He chose to say Auschwitz instead of Ohrdruf.

You have it backwards he used a sacred day to exaggerate his Great Uncles story and harm the memories of millions.

[Gore1FL]

250. It was probably hard to get the story from his uncle

as he chose to lock himself in the attic and not talk about it because of the treatment that was unavailable.

I met a Holocaust survivor. Saw the tatoo. But it was not something she discussed. I don't know where she was held, but I know she suffered.

AS the generations have passed, the younger ones in the family (who could approach about it) had no idea where she was held. It was a part of her life she wanted buried.

Blaming Obama about an insignificant error in the family stories he was told does not make the story, or the point of his uncles lack of treatment any less significant.

[rodeodance]

254. then he should not be making stuff up.

[Gore1FL]

261. He didn't make it up

the overall concept of the story was 100% correct. He messed up one aspect of it--the name.

[rodeodance]

264. whatever

[JoFerret]

239. What side was he on?

I heard he was a nazi.

[BlooInBloo]

241. Wow.

[BigDDem]

245. Did "Kennedy money" pay for the liberation?

[jillan]

246. He keeps giving the gopers more ammo that he's not ready for primetime.

[Elspeth]

248. Anyone know his mother's ancestry?

?

[2rth2pwr]

253. Yeah- Typical White People.

[NOLALady]

266. Sure.

http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

[and-justice-for-all]

255. This is relevant to what exactly?

At least he did not 'gaffe' about 'being under fire'.

[ruby slippers]

257. 89th Infantry division

Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne, helped
liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry
Division. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/987958.html

[iamthebandfanman]

268. Since Obama is already the nominee

you are attacking the democratic candidate for president.

and with that being said, this is an anti-democratic thread.

i you want to post arguements for voting for McCain, do it elsewhere.