My Dad Fought In the Korean War ... How Does That Give Me Military Creds?

[NashVegas]

I also had some ancestors fight (on the North's side) in the Civil War, so I guess I helped free the slaves, by proxy, too.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

1. exactly!

[Pirate Smile]

16. Clueless.

[Name removed]

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[cottonseed]

79. Obama brought it up discussing PTSD!

This is really getting pathetic. What's the reason why Hillary should be the nominee again? That's an issue.

[shadowknows69]

2. How does flying into Bosnia and not getting shot at give Hillary any?

[Ron Green]

3. I'm a disabled US Army veteran, and you can take your "military creds" and the whole

flag-waving, "war is necessary," jingoistic bullshit and put it where the sun don't shine.

[NashVegas]

5. Thanks for Your Service

I'm sorry you were hurt. My point is not about the necessity of military creds, but the marketing ...

[Teaser]

38. consider yourself served.

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[JoFerret]

93. I think you missed the point.

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[papapi]

6. Thank you. Well said.

[PoliticalAmazon]

77. Don't know about "military creds" but watching first my father and then....

my first husband suffer terribly from PTSD (and my father from terrible injuries from stepping on a land-mine) has given me an obsession with veterans' rights and treatment.

I didn't experience what my dad and my ex suffered, but I sure witnessed it and suffered from the fallout.

[blogslut]

4. Sigh

Obama was merely relating a story about his uncle to illustrate the mental anguish suffered by so many returning veterans.

But if you want to make silly irrelevant points, by all means...

[cliffordu]

61. Thanks for explaining that to the ingnoramus who posted that

little bit of crap.

I doubt, however, that it will make much of a dent.

:patriot:

[onenote]

80. I think we can all be certain it will make no dent at all

Some DUers are hopeless. Just fuckin' hopeless.

[Kittycat]

7. Honest answer...

If your father ever shared his life from that time with you, and how it changed/didn't change him - it gives you a better insight and understanding than that of someone who doesn't have any connection with or know anyone in the military either now or ever in the past. The understanding can range from it's impact on the soldier (your father in this case), to our country, other countries, politics, etc. It all lies in the perspective of the story teller, how you interpret it, and what you decide to do with that story in applying it to your own life or enacting change if the case may be.

That's history - what happens, how it impacts the person, the present, the future, and the world around us.

[SoxFan]

20. Well said!

My father served in Vietnam (naval gunfire liason officer with the 3rd Marine Division). I can never hope to fully understand what he went through at Ding Ha and Qua Viet, but our conversations have given me a better perspective not only on that era in modern history, but on the man who raised me.

[Dinger]

8. Touché Crisco

:) :patriot:

[NashVegas]

63. *smooches*

[Swamp Rat]

9. This is too early in the morning for the Straw Man

:hangover:

[NashVegas]

54. Heehee

What do you think I woke up to?

;)

[Swamp Rat]

55. LOL!

I hope DUers can come together soon. We have a major troll infestation causing a lot of strife here.

:hi:

[NashVegas]

56. I Know, I Know

You've had your fun, and I'm having mine.

[Swamp Rat]

58. OK, let me help you...

heh heh! :evilgrin:

[here_is_to_hope]

84. *You Rock* n/t

[Swamp Rat]

85. Damn straight! My amp goes to 11!

:headbang:

[maui9002]

10. It might give you some understanding of how war affects families

and cause you to support a GI bill that assists veterans.

[NashVegas]

15. No One Needs To Be In a Military Family To See That

All you need to do is sit down and listen to the spouses tell you what they go through every time a deployment is announced. It doesn't take much to set them off, all you need to do is ask what the latest news is, and they so badly want to be heard.

[AllentownJake]

24. Odd

you don't respond to any of the replies relating to the PTSD issue which is why he told the story in the first place.

Sad so sad what Hillary supporters are becoming.

[maui9002]

73. True, but I was responding to question as to why Barack Obama

would mention that a member of his family was in the military. One context is that he supports more benefits for family members because of his experience; that's not to say that others who have no such experience couldn't also support those benefits, but it's still relevant. In addition, while I am not one to condone misrepresentations while campaigning, running for President is essentially a job interview with the American people, and I expect the candidates to put the best spin on why their own life experience would qualify them as the best candidate. And I think most voters are intelligent to separate fact from fiction and vote accordingly.

[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

12. You're missing the point.

As usual. The point isn't military creds. It's patriotism.

[AllentownJake]

13. No its mental health treatment for the troops who need it.

His Uncle had a nervous breakdown and there wasn't many options in 1945 for PTSD treatment.

Just like many soldiers are breaking down returning from Iraq and Obama wants to make sure they are getting treatment.

The story was about PTSD and treatment for it.

[Pirate Smile]

14. Do you realize the only reason it was brought up was in relation to PTSD?

The point was the impact on soldiers and why we need all soldiers to be evaluated and treated for PTSD. That didn't happen in WWII. Soldiers had to deal with it on their own after the war. Some had a hard time like his uncle.

:eyes:

[AllentownJake]

17. Nope

We need to attack because he made an honest mistake even though the issue he brought up is very important and not talked about much because Hillary is the goddess of peace :sarcasm:

[NatBurner]

21. basically

it's a shame the point is being lost in a blurr of silliness

[NashVegas]

27. That Is Not the Point Being Played

It was nice to hear that Obama has some emotional connection to my family history, even if from a different angle.

Right in another OP in this forum. Elsewhere, I was directly asked if any of my ancestors were in Obama's great uncle's battalion, as if only having that in my background would give me a right to speak.

Y'all can shovel the shit but you don't take it very well.

[SoonerPride]

28. Then why didn't you post this in that thread?

hmmm?

[Blue-Jay]

29. So you're confusing a DU post with Obama's reason for bringing it up?

[NashVegas]

33. I'm Not Confusing Marketing Efforts With Relevancy

[SoonerPride]

34. Who is "marketing" this story?

Your post makes no sense.

[BlooInBloo]

39. The OP knows he or she is pwned at this point. It's all bluster from here on out.

[SoonerPride]

42. I just don't get it. Are these people simply paid to post nonsense?

Are they real people or puppets?

I don't get it.

[BlooInBloo]

44. It *is* surreal, isn't it?

[Straight Shooter]

46. Crisco is no puppet.

She's been here since 2001 and has never demonstrated any "puppet" characteristics. You on the other hand, on DU since 2006, one of the more vociferous posters against Hillary Clinton, may give rise to such suspicion.

Crisco has more than paid her dues here. I was glad to see her begin posting on GDP.

[SoonerPride]

47. You do know that I voted for Clinton right?

Since you seem to follow me so closely, I'll nominate you as president of my fan club.

[Straight Shooter]

48. Yes, I do know that, but it was irrelevant to my post.

I don't follow you or anyone else, I simply pay attention.

By the way, I'm no fan of yours, so I'll decline the nomination, thank you very much. :)

[SoonerPride]

50. You'd be a fan if you got to know me. I'm really quite loveable.

Really.

[Straight Shooter]

52. You know, it's funny, but people say the same thing about me.

Really. :D

[Blue-Jay]

35. You're confused about *some*thing.

How is his telling a story about a uncle's experience with PTSD (with background regarding a nazi concentration camp) equate to establishing "military creds"?

Answer: It doesn't.

[mkultra]

36. i see, so Obama AND his supporters are one entity to you

While you clinton folks are independent thinkers.
think about this, no cred was attempted.

[SoxFan]

19. "My husband was president...how does that give me experience?"

[yellowcanine]

22. It doesn't . Who said it did? Strawman alert!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. My grandfather fought in the Boer War. Can I be King of England?

Two uncles fought in WWII. Can I be Prime Minister of Canada?

I got into a couple of fistfights in the EM club. I wanna be Secretary of Defense!

"Military Creds" are meaningless unless you desire a military dictatorship.

[NashVegas]

49. Sure

King Tierra ... eh?

[TahitiNut]

62. Well, it's almost as good as putting "slept with the President" on your resume, isn't it?

:rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. I slept with a Japanese Bar Girl. Can I be emperor?

[TahitiNut]

65. After me. I slept with a Japanese girl for two years. Me first.

:silly:

(Sigh ... Yuko. She was terrific.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

67. So was Yoko, who relieved me of my much unwanted virginity.

With great patience, understanding, and pleasure.

(sigh..indeed).

[JVS]

25. Did you vote for LBJ?

[greguganus]

26. Major Fail. Obama was talking about PTSD, NOT trying to get votes like shillary. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

30. because Hillary fought in a war right?

???

oh wait, you just hate obama and the fact that democrats picked him as the nominee.

stop attacking our nominee. if you think mccain is better, then vote for him... dont bring this garbage to DU.

... theres always other partys you can go to, you know, rather than being a sour grape kid on a progressive DEMOCRATIC board...
lifes to short.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. Well, to her credit, she DID face down snipers in Bosnia. nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

31. About as much as being First Lady gives you "Presidential Cred."

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. "My husband was President and Governor so I have 35 years experience."

Shut the door on your way out, please.

[Teaser]

43. OH SNAP

.

[Teaser]

37. yes.

.

[GoesTo11]

40. It's a reason for people not to question whether you're really American

Some of Obama's detractors wonder whether he's even American, whether his loyalty is to this country or some other because of his name and his father's origin. The fact that his family tree - his blood family tree - has all these war veterans should put that stupid and malicious meme to rest. It also means he knows what sacrifice is and appreciates it. No, it doesn't make him a military expert, but it is a real and personal connection to the nation's history.

[Hugabear]

45. Vying for the coveted "Dumbest Post Of The Day" award?

Once again, a Hillary supporter pipes up and proves that to them, context means absolutely nothing whatsoever. Crisco has shown an amazing tunnel vision ability, to take one particular sentence, stretch it out of context, parse it to death, all the while totally ignoring what was being talked about.

[still_one]

51. Who said it did? Is it a problem if a candidate talks about their family with you?

[EffieBlack]

53. Do you have any idea how ironic your question is?

I think not.

[NashVegas]

57. None.

Care to share?

[anonymous171]

59. My husband was president...

[NashVegas]

60. Pickles? What Are You Doing On DU?

And does Bar know?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

66. And she's apparently supporting Obama...

Awesome, but not entirely unexpected!

[JoFerret]

92. This is a Ron Paul thread

No?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. My older brother used to shoot nazis.

He wouldn't have liked you.

[frylock]

ever heard of memorial day, fignuts?

he was COMMEMORATING the contributions of the vets who served. FTR, you have ZERO cred.

[frylock]

69. dupe

[Overseas]

70. Many Republicans are chickenhawks who don't let that stop them from war profiteering. //nt

[lojasmo]

71. you, sir/ma'am, are a dipshit. EOM

[tokenlib]

72. In the sense that you would respect and honor those who served...

..the answer should be hell yes!!

[TeamsterDem]

74. I don't know. How about "my husband was the president, does that give me POTUS creds?" n/t

[Perry Logan]

75. The man is full of shit.

[kid a]

76. Funny stuf!! Kinda like Bat Boy!

[ampad]

78. WTF ever

Why don't you just come out and say it instead of implying it. You and your bunch are a sorry sack and might I add hypocrites. Hillary doesn't have 35yrs of service either. Sucking off her husbands eight years of presidential service does not give her a lick of experience.

[apocalypsehow]

81. Oh for crying out loud - easily the most obtuse post of the day.

He was praising veterans for their service, and was speaking in context of his own family to help exress it. He wasn't claiming any "Military Creds." I swear, you HRC boosters have not one shred of decency left.

[marshall]

82. Having a family member does give one some personal experience

It's not battle experience, but it is experience with the aftermath. It seems that what Obama was pointing at was the behavior of his uncle after he got home, which was observed by his grandmother and other family members.
The story itself may have been bungled, and Obama seems to have misremembered the details. But it at least makes more sense than something like Bill Clinton saying he watched black churches being burned in Arkansas when he was a boy.

[smiley_glad_hands]

83. I like pizza. eom

[JoFerret]

86. Correct. It's bullshit.

By association of course. (Remember that phrase.?)

[HereSince1628]

87. I served in Vietnam...how does that give ME military creds?

With respect to an ability to make military plans or direct their implementation it doesn't. Really, not a single bit.

[ProSense]

88. Hillary has "military creds"?

Doesn't matter, she lost the race for the Dem nomination.

[IsItJustMe]

89. You ever hear of PTSD. I don't think you get it. And sadly, I don't think you ever will.

[thevoiceofreason]

90. Piss off.

[Jerseycountryman]

91. Obama wasn't claiming to have military credentials

I think you are being unfair to Obama. He did not say that the fact that his ancestor had fought in world war 2 gave him (obama) a military background. He was simply reminding the audience of a person in his family that fought in the war, showing that Obama cares.

[NashVegas]

94. This Is Less About Obama

And more about the propaganda. See #27.

[stillcool]

95. It doesn't. But if your dad struggled with PTSD...

you might want to mention that when you explain why we need mental health screening is needed for our Veterans.
sort of like this post...in memory of my dad..http://journals.democraticunderground.com/stillcool47

[Jersey Devil]

96. That wasn't Obama's point, but you knew that

Obama has constantly be attacked as not being as "American" as maybe he ought to be according to some wingnuts (and maybe Hillary), with the hint that he is not patriotic. Evidence that he has had members of his family that served the US in war debunks that line of bullshit. But you knew that too.

[tyedyeto]

97. Military creds had nothing to do with Obama's point

It was always about PTSD / shell shock or whatever the term was during any particular war.

His response was about how historically the VA has ignored this syndrome and how he would take care of these problems today. Even today, the VA largely ignores those veterans of current 'wars' and those who have suffered from past wars, who have experienced atrocities and how those actions affect their daily lives. By citing what happened to a family member, he reminds us that what happened in his family is not unusual and that our current VA system should recognize and treat, not only the veteran, but their family members as well.

[Gore1FL]

98. It doesn't

but if you knew he came home from the horros and had to face them without treatment and saw the effect of doing so on his life, you'd be a credible source on why our nation needs to support it's soldiers, which was the point of the Obama story in the first place.

[scheming daemons]

99. It gives you as much "cred" as dodging sniper fire in Bosnia.