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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:50 PM Original message |
So, was the right wing media correct about Hillary throughout the 90s? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have come to the conclusion that some of the more vocal bashers |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nope, and DU is not right about her now. nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Remember when she got booed after 9/11? The hate against Hillary goes very deep. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. And Obama supporters. Sickening. n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I gotta find that video. It made *no sense* because she got elected by popular majority. |
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
80. I never understood that either. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #80 |
93. she was perceived to be anti the "rush to war" not hawkish enuf for the NY firemen + cops |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
84. Riiiiiight. As if life as we know it was suspended when Bill Clinton left the White House. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
85. No, but she deserved it if she did. |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. These days DU is as wrong as Newt Gingrich and Henry Hyde was then |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
61. No, not DU |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Do you have any shame? n/t |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I guess you'd like to give me some? |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. What you said was truly disgusting. n/t |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I'm not the only one who sees this. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. I don't expect to hear the term feminazi on a Democratic message |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. I don't expect |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
94. Rush Limbaugh's "feminazi" is one of his most parroted by the ditto-heads slur. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. If female voters voted in a bloc as you are exaggerating here, then she'd be the nominee at this... |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. WTF? |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I'm not a Democrat. Independent. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. In order, Yes yes no no no no yes. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. All politicians are lying shills. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. No, they ignored all the things the left were pissed at her about. They never once |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. She will, and if my other prediction comes true, most of you will explode in a ball... |
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mrbluto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. We know the last thing that exploding ball would be composed of. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. BTW, please enlighten me about this "90s grassroots" movement you speak of. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. I never said "90s" I said grassroots. They started organizing in the 80s and were |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. You're simply wrong, if there was a grassroots campaign in the 90s it was Jerry Brown, not Clinton. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
99. Yes, all progressives seem to be lining up behind Obama. There is a reason for that. Meanwhile, |
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ruby slippers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't know, but the Illuminati Conspiracy tinfoils sure were...... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. She voted for the war.. that was pretty damn evil. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. If you read her speech there was nothing evil in her motivations. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Lying in her speech was inherently evil. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. What did she lie about? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
88. *SIGH* |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. She specified it was not a vote to invade Iraq OR capture Hussein. too complicated for some folks. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. She may have said that, but in reality it was a vote to give Bush authority and thats a vote for war |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. No it wasn't. Bush had the authority to invade and was going to invade with or without congress. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Read it |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #68 |
97. They never read it. |
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rwheeler31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. No, she is fine,her advisor's gotta go. |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
13. The Clintons then, are not the Clintons now. They allowed themselves to be corrupted. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I assure you that Hillary is the same somewhat socially inept person she was back then. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Clinton has potential. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. No, they were not correct about her. nt |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
21. There are lots of undercover freepers running around DU right now, it seems. |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Ease back, will ya. It's the end of a historic primary. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. From your post, I do believe that the rw media is here, right now, on DU. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Are you calling me a right winger or the responses? |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Come on pirhana. You're better than this. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Ya know - I think Hillary is a great lady. I have alot of respect for her. |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Just take it with a grain of salt. I'm pretty proud of the Dems.. |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
30. Socially inept - you nailed it |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Yeah, I see nothing wrong with saying that, it's not an insult, it's an observation. |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
31. No. She was right back then. Times (and people) change. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. She didn't screw up the healthcare issue, the public bought into the insurance campaign |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I understand the insurance fucks helped torpedo it, but success.. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Obama's plan puts money in the pockets of insurance companies, though. She's still sticking to it. |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. How does mandatory insurance say fuck you to insurance companies? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Because it creates an unnatural government monopoly on insurance. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. So what exactly has Obama steered through Congress? |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Don't like his plan either. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I certainly hope so, but I am the eternal pessimist so still unsure |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Like a scab, I can't leave it alone. Harry and Louise did not.. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. No, I was working in DC at that time |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Well, I'll take your word for it on this issue, but I'm all about success. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Yes, compromise with other Dems on what? Single payer? |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Yes, I think single payer is becoming more and more realistic. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. If she ran a decent campaign and didn't vote for the war and stood up for Dems instead of trashing.. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Actually, her policy decisions are far more liberal than Obama's. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
77. We know where the DLC stands. Lying about it doesn't change it. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. Mostly. Her silence on the insane rantings of Geraldine Ferraro is most telling. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
48. nah |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. No, I'm pretty sure she was just not good at the PR, then, and now. And that bites you in the ass... |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #58 |
89. sorry, i dont agree |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
49. It's bizarro world, where Clintons are evil and Hagel is touted as VP material |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
75. The Clintons aren't evil, and if ANYONE sticks an anti-choice GOP ginkus like Hagel on the ticket, |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I agree with you- I hate all the nastiness from all sides |
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Kool Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Hear, hear. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
60. Straw man. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. How so? I'm asking about then. Not now. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Context and implication. |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
69. The Clintons have serious problems with truth and ethics |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-30-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
70. No, they were always completely full of shit when it came to Hillary, calling her a "leftist". |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
74. No. Was I wrong, when I spent all that time defending her in the 90s? |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Excellent post! |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
91. good reply |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
79. Socially inept? Who are you talking about? Hillary? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
82. No. Never, ever repeat Repuke talking points against any Dem |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
83. The RW media was not correct, but apparently very persuasive. |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
86. No concessions coming - She's taking it to Denver in August. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
87. At this point, I just don't know anymore. {nt} |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
90. This is about her campaign in 2008, not what happened in the '90s |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
92. DU has become an echo chamber for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy reunion. |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
95. I'n recent days i've seen "Vince Foster", "Clinton Body Count", "Travelgate"... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
96. I don't think she killed Vince Foster, but now I actually do think she would be capable of it. |
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ebitze (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-31-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
98. No, but |
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