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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:29 AM
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Hillary's Puerto Rico Problems - Can anyone from PR verify this?
She is going back to PR this weekend.


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More to the point, though, Clinton isn't especially liked in Puerto Rico. Her husband did nothing to end the Navy's presence at Vieques, an issue that was less about military deployment and more about national pride. The Navy had previously abused another pristine natural habitat in Culebra, leaving a toxic mess to be cleaned up three decades after the Navy left. The threat that they were doing it again, combined with the Navy's shocking indifference to the death of a civilian guard, enraged the population, producing large protests and uniting virtually the entire political spectrum. Puerto Ricans were united in the conviction that they would never again consent to be treated like "pendejos," or suckers.

Hillary's war vote is also a major drawback. Latinos throughout the U.S. have been more opposed to the war than most, but in Puerto Rico the war highlights the island's colonial status. "If the death of a Puerto Rican soldier is tragic, it's more tragic if that soldier has no say in that war," noted a leading official in the island's Independence movement. San Juan Archbishop Roberto Gonzalez, a major player on the overwhelmingly Catholic island who had led the effort to get the Navy out of Vieques, was very vocal in opposing the Iraq War at its inception. By 2007, 57% of Puerto Rico's high school students or their parents had signed forms to withhold their personal information from Pentagon recruiters, according to The Washington Post. That same poll indicated that 75% of Puerto Ricans opposed the Iraq War.

Clinton's more recent pander on the issue of Puerto Rican voting rights did nothing to improve her image either. The important political divide on the island is not between Democrats and Republicans, but between statehood advocates and those who prefer the current, more autonomous arrangement. A small but vocal minority supports independence. All Puerto Ricans know the ins-and-outs of the issue thoroughly. Clinton suggested that the island's citizens be able to vote for president, without saying she was advocating statehood, despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has twice ruled such participation unconstitutional. The most prominent newspaper on the island, El Nuevo Dia, mocked her "wish list" approach to the issue and made it clear that residents thought she was either uninformed or disingenuous.

Then, there are the cosmetic problems. Last weekend, she was photographed sitting in a restaurant with a local beer. Cultural pandering has as fine a tradition in Puerto Rico as it does in the States. Except that the beer she chose--Presidente--is not a Puerto Rican beer; it's Dominican. Medalla is the native Puerto Rican brew.

Drinking the wrong beer may not cost Clinton any votes. But, the visual image fed the more substantial perception that she does not grasp the pride Puerto Ricans take in their island, in its natural beauty and its cultural traditions. And the failure to grasp that pride may explain her relatively poor performance next Sunday.



Link:
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/05/30/hillary-s-puerto-rico-problems.aspx



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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:33 AM
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1. I can't verify any of it - but wouldn't a landslide for Obama REALLY
shut her the hell up??
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:37 AM
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2. No, because Puerto Rico doesn't count.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:38 AM
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3. LOL!
:rofl:
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:38 AM
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4. Drinking Presidente (a Domincan beer) won't help. -- But then,
sending a Mexican (Richardson) over to sway the Boricuas won't either.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:39 AM
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5. Er...
Now I'm all confused!!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 03:27 AM
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6. you ninny!!
States and commonwealths & protectorates only count when SHE wins :eyes:

If she loses, it's because someone said or did something to hurt her feelings, or were sexist..or the media was beating up on her again
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:57 PM
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9. Ninny?
Now I feel like Dr Smith!
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 03:34 AM
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7. Hillary assume that because Hispanics vote for her that Puerto Ricans will to.
Puerto Ricans are a completely different demographic.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:45 AM
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8. Seeing that they've had a few votes
Edited on Sat May-31-08 04:45 AM by Jake3463
on statehood over the past 20 years I'm guessing the issue has been debated a few times and I doubt they beleive she can give them a vote for President without becoming a state and the income taxes that come with it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:02 PM
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10. I think that
she may be hoping that RFK Jr's influence will help. Remember that he served jail time there in 7-01 for protesting the military.
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