Clinton has NO PROBLEM Disenfranchising MY vote!

[RoadRage]

CONGRATULATIONS SENATOR CLINTON!!! You have WON the POPULAR VOTE!!

( http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/02/clinton-makes-popular-vote-pitch-in-new-ad/ )

Well.. i mean, as long as you COUNT each vote you received in Michigan, but make sure to not count any of the 40% that voted against you in that state. But, hey.. Senator Obama made the decision to take his name off the ballot - so there is no way to know if even one of those stinkin' votes was actually for him, is there?

Ahh.. but WAIT! I'm from Nebraska. We had a caucus, and we decided by about 70% - 30% that we'd prefer Sen. Obama. Something similar happened in Idaho. But, in your calculations - you've decided NOT to count our votes! Not one of them (and frankly several of them were cast).

Doesn't that seem silly - since you're fighting so hard in Florida & Michigan to make sure that "EVERY VOTE COUNTS", yet you're happy to throw my vote under that big 'ole bus you've been driving since February?

Ahh... i think I see my error. Evidently, "Every vote should count as long as it's cast for Sen. Clinton".

Perhaps you should re-work some of your advertising.. it's misleading. It may lead some people to think you actually give a SHIT about the voters in this country, instead of your own personal agenda.

Thank GOD it really won't matter in the long run, and most super delegates subscribe to using the math that they were taught in Elementary school as opposed to the newer "Clintonian Math" which strangely reminds me of the GOP's "Fuzzy Math".

That is all.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. I'm not counted in her calculations. (WA)

Why does she want to disenfranchise me!?! :cry:

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. Isn't WA counted? We had both a popular vote and a caucus.

[hokies4ever]

6. I'm sorry, did that kitchen sink hit your big toe?

Must feel kind of silly touting Hillary's math when it disenfranchises your very own state. :rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. what are you talking about? I was a delegate for Clinton at the caucuses

and I voted as well. My vote was counted.

You guys have lost it haven't you?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. I voted in the caucus, not the meaningless primary.

:shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. well, that was your choice. It was not so meaningless after all.

[hokies4ever]

12. Hillary's math doesn't count the Washington Primary

but if you want to count it, be warned that you're going to add tens of thousands of net votes to Obama. So for your very own state of Washington, do you want to count the caucus, the primary, or neither? :rofl:

{This is pathetic}

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. Of course it was. How many delegates did the primary issue?

Answer: 0

Caucuses?: 78. 53-O, 25-C.

[hokies4ever]

14. Are you willing to disenfranchise yourself after the fact to play into Hillary's fuzzy math?

Just how much Hillary Kool-Aid have you been drinking? Disenfranchising your own vote after the fact?

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. I think you need to look up the definition of disenfranchise.

I know you are attempting to twist and distort and create more reasons for you to rail about how much you hate her...but, really...get a dictionary

[RoadRage]

17. When no delegates are assigned - it's meaningless..

Same in Nebraska. We had caucuses in Feb - Obama won that by 68%, and that is how delegates were assigned.

Clinton also lost the Primary in May, but by a smaller number. However - that doesn't mean anything, because no delegates were awarded.

Unless now the Delegates DON'T count, and only the fixed popular vote does??

I'm confused - what does Clinton want now?

[hokies4ever]

18. The irony is that

if Hillary wants to count the primaries instead of the caucuses in some of these states, she just gives Obama more popular votes. Probably should have thought this argument out a little bit more. :rofl:

[RoadRage]

22. It doesn't matter.. her "popular vote" mem isn't being bought by

anyone except for her own supporters who would believe anything she tells them.

This is going to be over soon, right?

[PatGund]

19. We're not counted

Because the delegates were done by caucus (personal note, I couldn't caucus, so my vote didn't count when they did the balloting later), Washington doesn't count on Sen. Clinton's so-called "popular vote" tally.

[hokies4ever]

24. Obama won't disenfranchise you Evergreen Emerald

Please come over to the side that won't disenfranchise your state. You might as well join your neighbors in Washington as well. :patriot:

[newmajority]

27. You know damn well the Washington State Primary is meaningless

The only reason Democratic candidates are even on the ballot is because state law says they have to be there. The 'Pukes split their delegates. We have a caucus. THERE ARE NO PRIMARY VOTES FOR HILLARY IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON.

[Heather MC]

23. She also says only "swing states matter" so my state VA doesn't count either

[roguevalley]

29. she won't count us: Alaska. We slammed her, about 72% against.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. I'll bring the pots. You bring the pans.

:grr:

[roguevalley]

34. yeah. I don't get it either, Rummy. Too bad she is so unaware.

it makes me embarrassed for her sometimes.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Exactly... she has a selective way of counting voters

Hillary only counts the votes she wants. What an ass.

[IsItJustMe]

4. Well said.

[LiberalAndProud]

5. I believe she is counting the primary vote in Nebraska.

Obama won, but not by much. That is the quantifiable vote here, I believe. It's a silly arugment, no matter how you slice it. The primary votes didn't count, but they are being counted (kind of like Florida and Michigan, but not the same).

[RoadRage]

8. Ahh.. so then she PICKS what she wants to count, even if it's not what the state counts?

Yes, we had a Primary here in May - that was 3 months after the Caucuses - and every dem knew that the Primary meant nothing. Most people didn't vote, because all of our states delegates went twoards the percentages from the Caucuses.

I'm not sure if our Primary vote numbers counted in her calculations or not.. but talk about cherry picking your numbers. Unfriggin believeable!

[Peacetrain]

7. Exactly...Iowa here

and we feel the same way.. we know how any votes went where.. because that is how we figure viability.. but somehow all the votes in Iowa do not count?? but a non sanctioned election in Michigan does?? It is like an alternate universe..

[rurallib]

16. Her disdain for Iowa was showing from day 1

And Iowa responded by making her 3rd. She responded by saying Iowa votes don't count.

[Peacetrain]

20. You have no idea,

and when it became fairly clear that she was not taking Iowa, as first thought.. then the strange phone calls came in , and the smear emails that ended up with having to let one of her lieutenants go.. it was very uncomfortable.. not blaming Senator Clinton herself..but her people were invested in her in such an emotional way that they made some pretty poor choices.. it was not policy or ideas.. but a real visceral investment in identifying with the canidate.

[Peacetrain]

21. Though I have to edit a little to that last post

We were also taken aback at how poorly managed her campaign was.. especially for someone who had been on that national stage for so very long...

[rurallib]

32. Our local Clinton reps were stand-offish and aloof

while all the others were very open.

[Peacetrain]

38. Exactly, that was the same thing that happened

here..are you in Iowa also?.. But it was very poorly run here.. and very dismissive

[Robyn66]

15. I also understand Democrats abroad don't count in Clinton math either (nt)

[Arugula Latte]

25. She's so blatantly hypocritical and self-serving it's a wonder she hasn't been

laughed out of this primary race altogether. Why is the media even taking her seriously any more, after she's been lying about the popular vote, crying about Michigan and Florida when she had agreed to the ground rules going in, and pretending she still has a shot at this nomination. She is just such a joke at this point. It's too bad -- she used to be someone I actually admired. I can't even grasp that now, though.

[Hugabear]

26. There is no proof that ANYONE in Michigan would have even voted for Obama

After all, there were precincts in Harlem where Obama registered 0 votes.

:sarcasm:

[depakid]

28. "I'm from Nebraska. We had a caucus." LOL

You DISENFRANCHISED ABOUT 90% OF YOUR OWN CITIZENS!

And dispensed with the secret ballot in favor of an archaic process that doesn't reflect the the electorate at large!

And yet, you have the nerve to complain about disenfranchisement?

WOW.

[eleny]

30. I caucused, too, and Hillary can't do squat about it

[MonkeyFunk]

35. How is she disenfranchising you?

What a strange argument. She's making an argument to the superdelegates - and yes, there ARE calculations that show her ahead that include caucus states.

But how does her making an argument in any way disenfranchise you?

[Cha]

36. Can you say "Lying Hypocrite"? Good..then

you have hilary in a nutshell.

[RoadRage]

37. Yes and it looks like she might finally be leaving. Or is she? Ughg!