I really hate posting this. I really do.

[americanstranger]

Especially in light of it possibly killing the coming together that's starting to happen here. but here goes...

A Clinton donor tells me that on a conference call today with major fundraisers this afternoon, Harold Ickes told them Clinton isn't planning to drop out. He pressed donors to stay unified, and reviewed tactical options, including challenging the Michigan delegation.

State finance committees are also circulating letters to deliver to Clinton tomorrow in New York, and I've obtained a draft of the Illinois finance committee's letter, being circulated by a Clinton fundraising aide, Rafi Jafri, which stresses a fight until the convention, and a resolution in "August, and no earlier."

We, the Illinois Finance Committee, want to show our full commitment to and support for Senator Hillary Clinton, in the fight for her rightful appointment as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee at the convention this August.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Clinton_aides_rallying_donors_floating_convention_fight_August_and_no_earlier.html

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Can't this thing just be over already?

- as

[rucky]

1. Did anybody know who Harold Ikes was two weeks ago?

I didn't

[Shakespeare]

3. Most of us who follow politics did.

Longtime Clinton confidante/advisor. Very visible during the Lewinsky mess.

[LakeSamish706]

7. I sure as hell never did, and I wish he would crawl back under that rock.... n/t

[apocalypsehow]

16. His Dad was a cabinet member in FDR's administration, so his family goes way back in Democratic

politics.

[emilyg]

20. Yes. I did.

[rucky]

25. There were really no prizes involved with that last question.

But thanks, everyone!

:hi:

[JerseygirlCT]

30. Yup. nt

[Cha]

36. Oh yeah, he was the one who turned pale when

he heard mark penn thought "California was winnner take all".

Google ickes and you'll see how many fingers he has in the dino pie.

[blm]

41. Anyone who truly cares about our country's governance has known him for decades.

And even if you just got into politics because of 9-11 or Iraq war, you would think more of you would BOTHER to study your nation's recent history to see HOW we ended up with a Bush2...how we ended up being attacked by a global terror network on 9-11...how Bush had a few wellknown Dems help him sell the war to other lawmakers and to the American people.

But DU has proven to me that people form opinions everyday without ever seeking the facts that others risked their lives and careers to uncover, to document, and to preserve.

[rucky]

42. I obviously don't.

I think we just found the political equivalent of Comic Book Guy

[Yael]

2. They are just trying to pay the bills

it is the death rattle you are hearing.

[Cant trust em]

4. Please lord, let this die.

No one wants to do this anymore.

[apocalypsehow]

5. Yep - I've been calling it for weeks now. This is all about 2012 for HRC, and so McCain must win.

That's why she's going to drag this through the convention and beyond.

[BuyingThyme]

6. I'm guessing that's all about the money.

[Mezzo]

8. That's what conventions are for.

I have no idea why it is Obamamaniacs harbor such hatred, but it truly gets old after a bit.

Oh, and I REALLY hated posting that, I really did.

[rucky]

17. Time to change out the clipboard.

speaking of getting old after a bit.

[Mezzo]

19. The truth never changes no matter what. There's no changing that.

[greguganus]

32. The truth is Hillary is a conniving brat and there's no changing that. n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

38. I know you are

talking about sniper fire...

[americanstranger]

18. Nice.

Up yours with your 'Obamaniacs.' I've never - not once - used an equivalent term for Clinton supporters.

I won't start now, either. Loser.

- as

[liberalhistorian]

22. It seems to me that Hillary is the one who is "harboring

such hatred." Hatred for the democratic process, for respecting the voice of the voters, even if they don't choose her, and respect for the party itself. She is not automatically the "rightful" nominee, not if she hasn't received enough of the required delegates from the voters.

If she doesn't win either state tomorrow, that will put Obama over the top and she needs to display the graciousness she's been so sorely lacking in throughout this entire primary season, quit being a sore loser and spoiled child, and accept it. But it appears that that's too much to ask from her, I guess.

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. Harriet supporters have spoken

The delegates, the house of representatives and the Senate
will speak this week.

[MadMaddie]

31. Take Obama out of the picture for a minute

It is a historical fact that either (Dem or Repug) party that has gone to their convention dividde has lost the election. That is a fact....

If this drags to the Convention this will give McCain more free press....and divide the Democratic party even more.

[billyoc]

9. She'll fight for you to the last donor!

:rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. I just posted that in the "when will she drop out?" thread

I don't know what to make of it, it did come from a donor and from a circulated memo
from the Illinois finance section of the Hillary campaign. I expect it is not from
her main headquarters.

I feel and have said she will make it official on the 15th, however there is more
rumors going on now that it will be sooner.

[ecstatic]

11. "rightful appointment as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee" WTF nt

[Cha]

37. Yeah, it's Owellian Shit like that

makes me wonder what kind of supporters are these?

[AllentownJake]

12. Nope not going to happen

Anyone thinking they are getting a concession or suspension tommorow is sorely mistaken.

[kwenu]

13. Rightful appointment? Is she back to thinking this is a coronation again and she's the queen?

[liberalhistorian]

24. Yup, sure looks

that way, doesn't it? I mean, how dare anyone else run against The Queen. How dare people vote for anyone else but the Queen. What do they think this is, a democracy?????????

[LSparkle]

29. Hope that's just language from a state finance committee ... not TPs from HRC

Maybe these are just RABID supporters who feel that way -- not
language that top advisers are using. I certainly hope so,
because if not, I'll have to take back some of the complimentary
things I've been posting about her (now that this appears to be ending).

[Kierkegaard]

14. She may not be planning to drop out...

but someone will 'help' her if she has trouble figuring it out on her own. There's way too much working against her on this.

[Thrill]

15. These people are pathetic. The Supers will end this. He needs to get so many Supers

that he can give her all the Michigan delegates

[Thrill]

21. And people ripped Pfelger for pointing out her sense of entitlement

Too Funny

[samdogmom]

23. If this is true...then it's time for the super delegates to step up to the plate and

END THINGS ONCE AND FOR ALL!

If she continues to fight after it's obvious that she doesn't have the votes to win, a party bigwig has to compare her to Don Quixote and completely ridicule her for her lack of reality-based thinking.

Finally, she just has to become the punch line of every joke...because that's what she has reduced herself to, unfortunately!

What a sad ending! My guess: Hillary only knows how to fight. She doesn't know how to negotiate, compromise, or simply STOP FIGHTING. Wow! I'm just shaking my head in amazement and disgust. She's the definition of "debacle".

[RiverStone]

35. Your scenerio would fit --- that is, if she is crazy enough to keep going

This ends by Wednesday - Hillary still has political capital.

This goes beyond Wednesday - Hillary becomes laughing stock.

[DJ13]

26. I hope she realizes she still wont win & it will cost her becoming a pariah in the party

Its pretty sad how self destructive her ambition is.

[BlueManDude]

28. she isn't quitting tomorrow.

[greguganus]

33. If she thinks she's got a chance in 2012, she needs a brain transplant. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

34. Harold Ickes has proven to be an extremist nutjob.

For the sake of our country, I hope this is wrong.

[quaker bill]

39. If true, the supers will settle this

There is no sitting democratic member of the US House of Representatives whose interests are well served by a floor fight, not a single one. They are all on the ballot in November. No other incumbent Democratic candidate running for re-election anywhere is well served by a floor fight at the convention, not a single one of them would be helped by this sort of public spectacle.

Virtually no elected official super delegate, currently running for re-election will be interested in seeing Barack rejected by a backroom deal. There is nothing in this for them but a loss of critical support among the base.

The supers have it within their power to put this race completely out of reach, and if Hillary threatens to continue a campaign of attrition throughout the summer, they will do it promptly. Many of the supers would prefer that she come to this conclusion voluntarily, terminate her campaign and endorse the nominee and will likely provide a short interval for her to do so. If she does not take the offer now, they will act to end this promptly.

This has nothing to do with the candidate they prefer or feel would be the best nominee. If Hillary does not take the offer of a graceful exit, they will act to provide no other alternative, it will become simply a matter of political survival instinct. The ones sitting on the fence at this point are either compelled to remain neutral due to position (Pelosi and Reid) or those simply attempting to find the path that best serves the interest they have in retaining their seats.

This is just another complete misread of the tea leaves by Hillary. These folks are not weighing who would be the best candidate to defeat McCain, they aren't evaluating resumes, and they aren't looking at GE polling, they simply don't want to irritate nearly half of the party by picking a candidate. They would prefer the candidate make the choice to step aside first, but failing this, they will choose self interest in another way. None of them will see a floor fight for the nomination as in their best interest.

One way or another, this stops soon.

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. I'm reasonably sure that they rush of supper delegates will put a stop to any such nonsense

[indimuse]

43. this my friends...IS A LIE!

someone from the BO campaign.( and wishful thinking) is spreading this!

"Don't trust bloggers or someone else's opinion, because people lie." ~ Michelle Obama