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Wed Jun-04-08 10:13 AM
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CNN is covering Hillary's speech live at AIPAC today. |
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She's talking now like she's the nominee?
Sen. Clinton is supposed to be out of the race now, right?
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:13 AM
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she is talking about Obama's commitment to Israel. I don't think any of her speech sounds like she thinks she is going to be president.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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37. You spoke too soon she starting slamming him around |
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I don't think the next president should agree to talk to Hamas We need a president who will be willing to handle theses challenges "from day one" <----Isn't that her campaign motto? SHE is still campaigning sadly
And she still didn't congratulate Obama, she is scum, how can she even be considered to be on the ticket or anywhere near 1600 Penn. AVE?
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:32 AM
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46. Um, Obama never said he would talk to Hamas. |
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He specifically rejected the idea.
So saying that the next president shouldn't agree to talk to Hamas isn't campaigning against Obama. In fact, McCain said he wanted to talk to Hamas back in 2006.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:39 AM
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58. No, he didn't.. but its the talking point McCain is using against him. And she just repeated it. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:43 AM
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64. Right after she made the comment about Hamas |
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she through our her famous line "be ready from day one" that is her way of slamming Obama she is still campaigning. It's beginning to get creepy
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:35 AM
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52. The difference between the two speeches demonstrate why she lost the election /nt |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:41 AM
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He has Class she's an (well you know)
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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3. Hillary is being very graceful to Obama n/t |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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Really, that is very cool if true. I hope she keeps it up. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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9. No, she really is not. It's what she's NOT saying that speaks volumes. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:34 AM
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50. Contrast that to what Obama said. Night and Day. Obama laid out the issues |
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problem and what must be done
Clinton was mostly pandering
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:51 AM
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70. ROFL. We've gone from slamming her every word to slamming things she DIDN'T say. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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4. WTF is she doing??!! Not one WORD about Obama and the nomination..she keeps |
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saying "the next Democratic President".. like its gonna be HER !! OMG..
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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5. She was, now she's talking about Obama |
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But still not quite admitting that he won.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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6. my 10 year old just heard her say that Obama will be a friend to Israel and he said |
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"at least she said something nice for now".
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:20 AM
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and to my ears that's her "concession phrase", at least for now. What does your 10 year old think :-)?
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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She needs to receive the same level of coverage as Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardon, Kucinich, Gravel, Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani, Thompson and anyone else that isn't our nominee.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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8. She just commended Obama & that he will be a good friend to Israel! |
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Also that we need a Democratic president in the WH.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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She still hasnt said he's the nominee, but her line about Obama being a good friend to Israel was a concession.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:19 AM
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14. No, She Said "Senator Obama Will Be A Good Friend"... |
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She still thinks she's running.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:20 AM
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16. Right before she said Obama will be a good friend to Israel, she said we need a dem in the WH |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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28. She also said "will be" not is a good friend. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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19. I siad to myslef the exact same words |
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when I heard it! The rest of the speech, what I heard of it, is still under the assumption that she is a candidate, but that particluar phrase was a clear add-on, and shows she is giving in to reality.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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20. if its vague and you have to interpret it, its not a concession |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM
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it was clear that Obama, as PRESIDENT, would be a great friend of Israel. Of course it is not a formal concession (I wonder whether there will be one...), but it was quite striking.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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I think it sounds like she conceded. She mentioned that she is senator of NY and has a large Jewish constituency. Just because she is addressing this groupdoesn't mean she thinks she is the nominee. She is a senator.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:16 AM
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11. actually shes being very humble |
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today. im very impressed by her speech so far. unity is beginning.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:17 AM
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12. I guess we're interpreting differently.. she's talking like a Co-President. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:25 AM
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31. I appreciated her sentiment at first, but it's now turned into a campaign speech |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:35 AM
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51. She used her "be ready from day one" Stump speech tag |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:18 AM
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13. It sounds like a campaign speech to me n/t |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:21 AM
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:21 AM
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17. The 2nd half of her speech is stellar..she actually dissed and tagged McCain as more Bush! go Hill!! |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:21 AM
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18. Did she just slam Obama by inference?? |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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26. she's definitely campaigning for something |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:26 AM
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32. I think I agree with you... |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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29. I caught that too and have been trying to wrap my mind around it |
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Her comment on negotiation as a thinly veiled slam against Obama's approach.
Plus, her Iranian language is pure pander and downright scary.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:27 AM
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34. Exactly: "We must NOT negotiate with Hamas".. a direct McCain TPM against Obama. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:28 AM
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36. "You don't have ask where I stand, you know where I stand." Was that a slight or a snippy slam? |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:32 AM
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44. Was that Clinton or McCain up there during the second half of that speech? |
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Seriously. You couldn't tell the difference based on the context.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:33 AM
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48. I think the whole speech was a slam. Definitely those remarks were and her non |
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acknowledgement of Obama definitely was.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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22. Iran's supreme leader issued a fatwa against Nuclear Weapons |
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I am so fucking sick and tired of this shit!!!
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM
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23. she doesnt back down from Kyl-Liebermann |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:36 AM
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54. His predecessor also issued one against Salman Rushdie, but that didn't seem to slow him down |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:41 AM
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61. Actually, it did. He cancelled a whole slew of speaking engagements |
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and had to go underground for a while, iirc.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:42 AM
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63. and the NIE CONFIRMED that they stopped their Nuclear Weapons program |
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Why do you have blinders on?
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM
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25. She didn't say OBLITERATE..she said suffer consequences...nice change Hill |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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27. I Was Afraid to Watch - So I Didn't |
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I don't want to hear her trash the democratic nominee one more time - I will tune her out until she decides to play nice
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:25 AM
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30. The 1st half wasn't so good...the 2nd half much much better..she maybe running for VP now though? |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:26 AM
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33. It doesn't sound like it - it's all about " I's and Me's" and contrasting herself with Obama now |
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Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 10:27 AM by TornadoTN
She's all over the place.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:28 AM
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35. This is simply bizarre. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:30 AM
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41. I honestly wish I could figure out what her intentions are at this point |
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She gave the minimum amount of lip-service needed to show some "class", yet she then turned her rhetoric into overdrive and started throwing out thinly veiled slams against Obama.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:31 AM
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38. Yeah...I guess that was the middle of the speech...lol |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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39. This story about Natan is very powerful |
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And she's telling it with a grace she sometimes lacked during the campaign.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:32 AM
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45. Her stories have never came across as "genuine" ... I don't believe anything she says after Bosnia. |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:33 AM
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47. Yes - it was pretty notable that her delivery of this part of the speech |
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was so much better than her usual delivery
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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40. I swear that she's figuratively dangling a pair of big brass balls ... disgusting performance. n/t |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:31 AM
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43. unfortunately everyone has to pander to these people |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:33 AM
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49. Not like THIS. I swear. I know "the look" ... HRC would mini-Nuke Iran on the LEAST PROVOCATION |
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Just so "the boys" would think highly of her. She's absolutely power hungry mad. :scared:
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:35 AM
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She gets so close to accepting Obama, and then turns into overdrive slamming his principled approach to foreign policy. To top it all off, she goes into prime warmongering mode.
Thankfully Obama is going to be our candidate.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:38 AM
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57. yeah I know, she goes nuts with it, but I dont even like some of what Barack says |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:46 AM
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67. Yes, I agree. But we KNOW that Obama has "the temperament" to weigh the evidence and |
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not let his AMBITIONS get in the way of making "good judgments."
I don't trust HRC any more than Grampy McSame - POWER is everything to megalomanias. :scared:
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:47 AM
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68. you are silly to say. get a grip! |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:50 AM
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69. what happened to you? |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:38 AM
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56. Obama was very frank. He called for a two state solution. He called for an end |
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to the illegal settlements. He called for us to get out of Iraq, and for Iraq to take over. He called for a dialog in the region with ALL parties
Yes, a little pandering occurred, but not the way Senator Clinton did
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:39 AM
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59. yes but he still plays the Iran wants nukes card too much for my taste |
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:42 AM
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62. True, but he also supports a dialog, which incidently was what the Baker/Hamilton |
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recommendation was, and which was soundly rejected by the bush administration
Obama also said that the policies of the last 8 years have done nothing to make Israel more secure or the region, in fact just the opposite, and a new course was necessary
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:43 AM
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66. Bush didnt even open the ISG Report |
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He probably used it to start his fireplace.
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:43 AM
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65. Yes, but consider the forum |
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I don't like the pandering at all, but unfortunately it's the name of the game in politics. Obama does it far less than Hillary, so that's a plus.
But the Iranian issue does concern me as well to some small degree, but Hillary's first response is "wipe em' out".
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Wed Jun-04-08 10:37 AM
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55. they covered obama first |
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Until she bows out they will cover her too.
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