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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 03:54 PM
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TYT: Hillary Holds Her Voters Hostage
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 04:34 PM by ihavenobias
Hillary Holds Her Voters Hostage
By Cenk Uygur

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/hillary-holds-her-voters_b_105077.html

(NOTE: Also make sure you check out Cenk's comments on Obama winning the nomination here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x142982)

I was going to write about what a horrible speech John McCain gave tonight. About how he has no chance of winning (barring a world changing event) and this is as good as it gets for him http://youtube.com/watch?v=cTqf0F41yY8. I was going to explain how awkward and painful a speech that was, especially compared to the dynamic and energetic Clinton and Obama speeches.

This was what was going through my mind as I was waiting for Hillary to get to the point in her speech where she makes the turn and says, "It's been a great race, I love you all for supporting me through these trying times, but now we have to unite behind the Democratic candidate for president, Barack Obama!"

Except that moment never came. I couldn't believe it. She didn't concede. Is she mental? Her chances of winning aren't theoretically low now, they're nonexistent. The race is over. She lost. What is there not to concede? What kind of maniacal move is this?

Yes, I love hard-hitting, driven competitors that never say die. But there are bounds of reason. One of them is that we fight within the confines of the contest. You have to stop hitting your opponent after the match is over. This isn't even hitting after the end of a round. The other boxer has won and gone home, and you're trying to follow him there while still swinging at his head. That's not tenacious, that's mental http://youtube.com/watch?v=aZZwOvdJwo4&feature=user.

I'm picturing Hillary shooting baskets after everyone in the stadium has gone home and keeping score with herself and then jumping up and down in the dark saying she had finally won. No, you see, you have to score those baskets while the game is still being played.

I understand that she wants to negotiate with Obama, presumably for a VP spot. But what was stopping her from doing that earlier? This handwriting has been on the wall for quite some time now. For her to drag this out so she can negotiate a better ransom now does tremendous damage to her credibility. Who believed her tonight when she said she was still staying in the race because of her voters and not for herself? Please http://youtube.com/watch?v=sYgP78iKKGw&feature=user!

But the problem is a lot of Hillary's supporters are apparently as deranged as she is http://youtube.com/watch?v=XluSejBDiIQ&feature=user.

The reality is that there is a sliding scale of voters in any camp. Some of her voters who are on one end of the scale will happily go over to Obama starting tonight. Some on the other end of the scale will never vote for Obama no matter what. The problem is that every day that Clinton drags this out, we lose more people on that sliding scale.

You lose the ability to convince people further down the scale that she was not robbed, that Obama is fine and that they should be excited enough to turn out to vote for him in November.

In essence, Hillary is holding her voters hostage in an effort to negotiate better terms with Obama. And she's losing the Democratic Party more voters every day she does so.

She had an opportunity to speak to a lot of her supporters on Tuesday night and bring them into the Obama camp. Instead, she had that steely look of deranged determination and plowed on. She said next to nothing about unity, other than one throw away line that seemed completely disingenuous. She continued to attack Obama when her followers were looking for clues as to whether they should support him or not.

Now, she wants to be his VP? I wouldn't trust her under any circumstances. People keep saying that if he picked her, he'd have to watch his back. I assume they are mostly kidding when they say this (I've said it in jest myself). But there is a real component to this. I wouldn't trust her to make decisions that were best for the team, or the campaign, or the administration if they won. Hillary Clinton has shown, once again tonight, without a shadow of a doubt that the one thing she cares about most is -- Hillary Clinton.

That's not someone you want on your team.

I think she has about three days to correct course. Otherwise, everyone is going to realize that still staying in the race after it's over is a real weird and classless thing to do. Not only will she do damage to Obama's campaign, but she will start to do very serious damage to her own reputation and career. And that's the last thing she wants.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:05 PM
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1. No concession, no consideration.
That's what I say.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:09 PM
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2. It's over. Time to let it go, Cenk


"We have an election to win and it isn't against Hillary Clinton."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6272591
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:10 PM
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3. Here, I fixed that for you
"It's over. Time to let it go, Hillary".

There, much more accurate and relevant now.

;)
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:37 PM
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7. Nope, time to put Hillary on ignore, as opposed to lending her more publicity.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:11 PM
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4. Forcing the guy who heads the Democratic Party to show that he heads the Democratic Party....
seems likely to end badly for Clinton.

Tell her to fuck the hell off, then deal with the consequences. Being blackmailed isn't a viable option.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:39 PM
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25. Yeah, how would this look to potential terrorists in
a hostage situation?
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:42 AM
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32. You read my mind! Terrorists could threaten us to support hillary for VP. This is serious. n/t
(lol)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:14 PM
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5. Exactly -- she's keeping her supporters in Limbo until she decides
"what Hillary wants".

Not only is that really inconsiderate to those millions of people, it's extremely damaging to our party unity.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:35 PM
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6. Painful
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:38 PM
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8. I don't think so.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:38 PM
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9. Dear Abby said "There is no such thing as an unwilling doormat."...
Her remaining supporters are a willing party to this cluster-duck.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:39 PM
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10. They'll come along as time goes on. Best thing to do now is stop baiting them.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:52 PM
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12. Pat Buchanan said almost exactly the same thing on MSNBC just now. I'm not saying anything...
I'm just sayin'.

;)
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:16 PM
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16. He's right. Ahh, and correct too!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:08 PM
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20. Eh
I wouldn't go THAT far.

But who knows, I guess we'll see.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:12 PM
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22. ABC, via EarlG: Clinton's dropping out
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:21 PM
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23. Strange actually
Assuming she knew all along (as in knew yesterday) that she'd do it Friday, why miss out on the golden opportunity to give a wonderful, uniting speech last night?

It could and would've meant so much more, and would've prevented needless and generally harsh speculation and criticism?

Yet another poor campaign move. Oh well, if it's true we can finally breathe a sigh of relief...kind of, assuming Obama picks the right VP (which means not Clinton).
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:43 PM
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11. I found their goals very telling
Obama's goal is to take the White House and keep the GOP out of it. While Hillary is busy looking out for herself and broker the best deal possible for herself. Can there really be a better contrast between the two?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:59 PM
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13. And, her supporters are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
Another hit Cenk!

Thanks ihavenobias.

K/R.

:kick:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:08 PM
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14. He knocks it out of the ballpark once again. What's most frustrating is the
utter arrogance of her position - has there ever been in the whole of American history a more arrogant primary loser? That sense of entitlement is mighty powerful.

Thanks again for the head's up on yet another excellent article, and the videos (watching them now). :thumbsup:

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:09 PM
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15. K&R
:kick:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:18 PM
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17. The race is over. She lost. What is there not to concede?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:19 PM
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18. 'her people' what utter horseshit
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:46 PM
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19. Anyone who says they will vote for McCain is not a Democrat
end of discussion.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:13 PM
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30. Voting for McCain is just plain stupid. He's a warmonger. ...n/t
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:09 PM
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21. I can't think about her
without my tinfoil hat.
I would put NOTHING past the Clintons when the stakes are high enough.

That title says it all, she'll probably just finish her self-destruction if she continues this madness.

Going to watch the vids, thanks.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:00 PM
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29. No need for tin foil with that bunch..we've
had at least 8 years to see what they'll do to keep their slimey dlc hold on the POWER.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:37 PM
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24. Cenk has a riveting summary of hilary's actions.
It looks like hilary has hurt herself the most.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:04 PM
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28. Exactly n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:59 PM
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26. k*r "classless" - sums it up & is very generous;)
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:41 PM
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27. K & R!
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janetblond Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 08:39 AM
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31. THIS paragraph says it all ...
"Hillary Clinton has shown, once again tonight, without a shadow of a doubt that the one thing she cares about most is -- Hillary Clinton.
That's not someone you want on your team. "


BTW .. I see the Mccain camp has now set a trap for Obama .. town hall meetings.
McCain will plant hecklers in the audience to embarrass Obama.
Hope Obama advisors are smart enough NOT to fall for the guise.


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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:00 PM
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33. Yea, & I'm still upset that Fox will be the pool for the convention!
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