Would Obama Have Beaten BILL Clinton Had He Run Back In 1992?

[THUNDER HANDS]

if the two had to go head-to-head in a primary matchup, who would emerge victorious?

[Condem]

1. Different ages, rat.

No.

[anonymous171]

2. Bill, obviously.

Different times, different candidates are required. Bill was a great candidate because he could out-republican the republicans. Obama has an entirely different way of operating.

[defendandprotect]

3. Yes and No . . . Yes, if we had known and understood what Bill Clinton would do to destroy

the New Deal as a DLC member ---

And, probably "no" because I don't think the population was mature enough yet in its growing out
of its fears of people of color . . . ???

[Captain Hilts]

17. Obama advisers Sam Nunn and Jim Cooper helped...

[defendandprotect]

21. Not familiar with Nunn/Cooper comments --- but love Eleanor!

[Captain Hilts]

32. Ain't she grand?

Sam Nunn - as senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee - is THE guy that killed permitting gays to serve in the military. This was one of Clinton's first efforts at being progressive, and conservative Democrats like Nunn made it clear in the first two months of Clinton's term that they would have none of that. The result was don't ask, don't tell.

Jim Cooper, another DINO, not only put the kaibosh on Hillary Clinton's efforts at healthcare reform, he blocked any other efforts to do so while in Congress.

GoBama - let's roll!

[defendandprotect]

33. First biography I ever read ...

Ain't she grand?

and one of the latest on her --- by a woman whose name I can't recall at the moment and can't find at Amazon.com -- was pretty great, as well!

OK -- yes, Sam Nunn is a snake and while I was aware of the attack on Clinton re gays/military, I didn't know he had initiated it --

Not familiar with Cooper --- but understand the results ---

HOWEVER, they are both "advisers to Obama" . . . ??????
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Wow . . that should STOP!!!

Is that where Obama has gotten his views on gay marriage?

[Captain Hilts]

35. Beats me, but...

in a campaign you have to catch some fleas. FDR sold out to Hearst to get the nomination at the Democratic convention. FDR agreed to denounce US participation in the World Court. Eleanor and several advisers didn't speak to him for days. Boy, were they pissed. Not just for what he did, but because he also didn't give them a 'heads up' he was going to do it.

All candidates do this. Every last one of them. Obama's no different in this sense. That's how the game's played. That's how you get elected.

Probably Blanche Wiesen Cook's biography. Volume I is a great read once you get past the glorification of gay life in NYC in the '20s, but volume II is tough sledding. Joseph Lash's book is really tough sledding.

Alida Black's "Casting Her Own Shadow" is a great analysis of ER's post-war politics and activism.

[defendandprotect]

39. Agree --

second volume not good --
Don't like Lash ---

Still like Eleanor --
Love what she did at the UN -- Human Rights !

I'll try to remember to look for Black's book --

[Captain Hilts]

36. Beats me where he gets his views...

but in a campaign you have to catch some fleas. FDR sold out to Hearst to get the nomination at the Democratic convention. FDR agreed to denounce US participation in the World Court. Eleanor and several advisers didn't speak to him for days. Boy, were they pissed. Not just for what he did, but because he also didn't give them a 'heads up' he was going to do it.

All candidates do this. Every last one of them. Obama's no different in this sense. That's how the game's played. That's how you get elected.

Probably Blanche Wiesen Cook's biography. Volume I is a great read once you get past the glorification of gay life in NYC in the '20s, but volume II is tough sledding. Joseph Lash's book is really tough sledding.

Alida Black's "Casting Her Own Shadow" is a great analysis of ER's post-war politics and activism.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. A year after the LA riots? Not a chance in hell

Bill Clinton got elected in part through a disowning of African American activism (the "Sistah Soljah" moment), and appeal to white prejudice. He was smart to do it. Obama would have been crushed in 1992.

[defendandprotect]

22. Obviously, when we win -- we have to make sure that we aren't electing

some one again like Clinton --- DLC -- who will dismantle what remains of economic democracy . . .
and that's very little, indeed!

[defendandprotect]

23. When we "win" - we have to make sure we don't have

someone again like Clinton --- DLC -- who will dismantle what remains of economic democracy . . .
and that's very little, indeed!

His playdates with Poppy Bush are also very nervous-making --

[housewolf]

5. In 1992 Obama was only 30 years old

too young to be president (constitution sets a minimum age of 35) and too inexperienced to be seriously considered

[Catherine Vincent]

6. Nope!

[Breeze54]

7. Shouldn't the poll choices be YES or NO!

I pick... NO!

[Cha]

8. When he was 31?

And doing who knows what? Oh, I found this..

"Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.<42> From 1992 to 1996, Obama held the title of Lecturer, and from 1996 to 2004 he was a Senior Lecturer.<43> The University of Chicago Law School has referred to Obama as a professor, and stated in a press release, "Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."<43>

Obama's relationship to Rashid Khalidi has come under increased interest due to the U.S. Presidential Primary races of 2008.<44> Obama made one of the presentations at a 2003 farewell dinner on the occasion of Khalidi leaving the Los Angeles Area.<44> The dinner was a celebration of the Los Angeles area Palestinian community. Obama's remarks alluded to the numerous dinners that he had at the home of the Khalidis.<44>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barack_Obama

But, bil clinton's campaign manager in 1992 was backing Obama in Feb, 2008

<snip>

" CNN has confirmed that David Wilhelm, Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign manager, will endorse Barack Obama’s presidential bid Wednesday afternoon.

Wilhelm, a former chair of the Democratic National Committee, is a superdelegate to the party’s convention this summer. He had not previously announced his support for either of the two remaining White House hopefuls this cycle.

Obama has captured a narrow lead in the overall delegate count, but still significantly trails Hillary Clinton in the race to capture superdelegates, party leaders and elected officials who can choose to support any candidate they wish regardless of their state’s primary season vote.

It is possible the support of superdelegates may prove decisive this cycle."

<more>
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/13/bill-clintons-1992-campaign-manager-backs-obama/

[merh]

9. Oh, next will you put up a poll asking if Bill Clinton would have

beaten JFK?

:crazy:


Polls like this serve what purpose exactly?

[KingFlorez]

10. It wasn't even possible for him to run

He wasn't 35 yet

[lapfog_1]

11. That's an impossible comparison for people to make

because we don't remember what it was like to have Bill Clinton as a complete unknown...

Obama is just starting down this path now.... ask again in eight or maybe 10 years.

[Recursion]

12. Nope. Clinton ran the right campaign for 1992

Obama's campaign is based on voters and technologies that weren't around 16 years ago.

[hughee99]

13. It depends...

assuming you're taking about Bill Clinton circa 1992 and current Obama, I think it depends on the year. If the current Obama ran in 1992, I think Clinton would beat him fairly easily. It was a different climate, and the press would have been more than happy to cover him, but he'd be portrayed as a token black candidate and not as a serious contender. Running now, I think it would be a good match. The 1992 Clinton was an excellent campaigner (far better than his wife) and wouldn't have all the baggage that came along with his presidency. That would be a very interesting primary.

[Bucky]

14. This reminds me of that "Dr Pepper vs the Incredible Hulk" poll in the Lounge

Seriously, who would win if George Washington in his prime went toe to toe with Napoleon Bonaparte after 5 years of ninja training? Inquiring minds want to know.

[merh]

16. So, do you think if the young Frank Sinitra auditioned for American Idol

would he get the gold ticket to Hollywood?


And if it were Clay Aiken and young Frank in the American Idol finals, who would win?

:shrug:

[Hippo_Tron]

15. I think it might've been close, but the LA riots might've killed him in the end

Remember that Jesse Jackson gave Dukakis a serious run for his money four years earlier and Obama is obviously a better politician than Jackson. But if it had been close going into the LA riots that probably would turn out scared white people against Obama. Granted I'm not sure how many primaries were left in May and June.

[qazplm]

18. what about Ditka?

No poll is complete without Ditka.

[JVS]

25. Or a squad of mini-Ditkas?

[onetwo]

19. A groundbreaking candidate like Barack Obama gets no consideration without the past 8 years of GWB.

Without the disaster of the current administration, there's no pressure to elect the "change" candidate. His timing is impeccable.

[blm]

30. I don't think it has to do with HIS Timing as much as circumstances as they exist.

For instance, does anyone believe Obama or Clinton would have won in the first election after 9-11 against Bush at its strongest point and most protected by the media?

[On the Road]

20. Obama Might Have Been Seen as a Clinton Without the Scandals

However, it was more difficult to get a black candidate nominated sixteen years ago. And Obama would have had a more difficult time against an incumbent than against a "maverick" who is not too popular in his own party.

[JVS]

24. Obama was not old enough to run in 1992

[sfam]

26. Ba-da Bing!!!

[invictus]

27. Would Bill Clinton beat Obama in 2008?

No.

[geek tragedy]

28. Obama beat Bill and Hillary in 2008. n/t

[blm]

29. No. It took 8 years of the WORST president in history to grease the mindwheels that allow a chance

for a black candidate.

If Bush had only been HALF as bad as he was, I doubt the American people would be ready at this point to make the leap.

[Mezzo]

31. no.

[ecstatic]

34. No. It wasn't his time. Everyone has their own unique blossom time nt

[mckeown1128]

37. No... Obama's campaign is rooted in the internet.

He would not have been able to raise the funds necessary to compete. Also, Bill/Hillary's weakness now is in the current media climate of intense scrutiny. Bill was a master at working the old MSM.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Clinton offered the "not quite as" right wing as Bush and Perot saved the day.

The country was still in the "welfare queen", "trickle-down", "USA! USA!", stage, but was beginning to grow weary of the relentless jingoism and sheer stupidity of Reagan/Bush.

But, they sure as hell weren't ready for an even slightly liberal Black man on the ballot.