Are women shunning Obama? Pollster says no

[Shoelace]

TV news is still trying to play the divisive meme of "HRC supporters won't vote for Obama" as yet another way to foster the belief that we are divided. We are going to show UNITY as never before this election!

June 9, 2008
There's been much written and You-Tubed about supporters of Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton who are having trouble making the switch to presumptive nominee Barack Obama -- and say they may never. Or may never unless he puts Clinton on the ticket with him as vice president.

Are women a big problem for Obama? Maybe not. At least one poll shows rapid recent movement to Obama overall among Democrats, including women.

Pollster Scott Rasmussen says that as of today, based on 3,000 automated telephone surveys over the past three nights, Obama gets support from 52% of the women in his national tracking poll compared with 40% for presumptive Republican nominee John McCain. He says that's better than Democrat John Kerry did with women against President Bush in 2004.

Scott attributes Obama's performance to unification within the Democratic Party over the past few days. "Before last Tuesday, Obama routinely earned around 70% of vote from Democrats," he tells us in an e-mail. "He's up to 81% today. Clearly the party has been coming together."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/06/are-women-shunn.html

[DerekJ]

1. K & R

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Why would any woman support someone

who doesn't want them to have control over their own bodies, who wants to make sure their children are likely to be sent to war, and who doesn't care about the economy?

[cliffordu]

4. LOL Yeah, it's the subtle differences that helped me choose.....

[roguevalley]

41. ego. that would be ego that would make them to go McCain. Apparently

the c word is not offensive to some 'feminists'.

[Captain Hilts]

3. 'Women' don't vote as a block.

We're talking about Democratic women, specifically, and I think they will vote for him.

[goclark]

13. I can't recall a poll that counted African American women as women

We are always lumped together with African American men.

Why do they do that in the 21st Century?
Where is the outcry that we are women too?

Are Asian women counted in polls as women or Asians?

Hispanic women?

When they count Senior women,I should be counted too.

What polls break it down that way?

[Shoelace]

15. I dunno, I just want to see Obama win in November

and fight those Media BS soundbites that try to depict our party as divided.
It's going to take looking beyond to see victory!

[goclark]

17. My point was they are not counting All women

when they make broad statements.

I'm totally with you however, GOTV in November- all ages/colors/genders/states whatever.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

18. AMEN!!!!!!!

[Captain Hilts]

29. No, that's not so. At my firm we had them as 'women' and as 'black women'...

because they differ from black men by being more conservative on social issues and going ot church more.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. Black women are more conservative? That's news to me. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

43. Socially conservative.

They go to church more, etc.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

46. Going to church often doesn't necessarily equal social conservatism.

I go to church and I'm as liberal as they come. I think being religious or pious is separate from political perspectives. We vote more liberal, depending on the region of the country and perhaps there's a generational gap. But black women tend to be more political as well, and those politics may not be liberal, but they are center (moderate) or left of center depending on the issue. I've noticed a strong libertarian bent to a lot of black people, period.

[Shoelace]

47. Blacks as libertarians? news to me

like they'd ever vote for Ron Paul the racist or Bob Barr the guy responsible for the "defense of marriage" act? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that Libertarians were decidedly conservative in nature. It would be difficult to imagine people of color being attracted to such a party.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

48. More conservative on economic issues, center-left on social issues.

Libertarians today are Republican-leaning. But true Libertarians can have a liberal bent to them. Bill Maher comes to mind. He is a libertarian but is liberal.

[MercutioATC]

5. Obama's weakness is rural voters, not women..or "experience", or race.

I believe Obama has enough appeal to win in November regardless of who his VP is (with a few exceptions). With a VP that's liked by rural voters, though, he could win by a LOT...and that could bean big coattails in 2008 and 2010.

[Shoelace]

8. yes, there are several senatorial races that will need those coattails

I so hope we do get that veto proof majority in both houses. I so want to see Senator Inhofe (OK) go down in flames along with AK's ever so corrupt senator.
There are others and hopefully the DNC will work like hell to get them out and our folks in. Ah yes, and we need to start looking at 2010 too - yikes, alot of work to do.

[Clark2008]

14. And it's not necessarily the fault of rural voters

They simply don't have as much access to news sources outside of right-wing talk radio and the Corporate Media structure.

Plus, since they are more than likely either traveling several miles to and from work in the cities and/or working out on a farm, they're less likely to have time to spend searching the Net for alternative news sources.

Rural voters need a Media Consumer Rights package or the Fairness Doctrine re-instated. They're getting short-shifted by not getting ALL the news (or buying into that myth that all the media is liberal, when it, in fact, is not).

[TheWraith]

19. I think you might be surprised.

As far as "rural voters" go, remember who won the entirity of the plains and the west. The rural areas Obama didn't tend to fare well were the Appalachians, upstate NY (home field advantage), and the like.

Obama has big pull for disaffected voters and alienated Republicans, both of whom constitute significant voting blocs out here.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

20. Even Democrat has had trouble with rural voters, not just Obama!

The media and even many people on DU falsely claim that Obama (and Obama ALONE) has trouble with so-called "rural" voters and "blue collar" white voters. It is the truth, however, that EVERY Democrat since LBJ encountered problems with these voters.

But it also a lie. Obama won largely rural, white states like VT, ND, WY, UT, MT and MN. Why do you people continue to buy into the media's lies? I simply don't understand it at all...

[Shoelace]

24. exactly, we've got to catch and dispell every Media lie, every last damn one of them

oh I get so steamed when I hear the so called pundits slip in those 3 second soundbites. Rural voter demographics are changing though. Lots of new Democrats have moved to the country. Look at all the new "burbs" in rural areas.

[hokies4ever]

22. Latest WV poll has Obama down by 8 vs. McCain

Turns out that they hate McCain too. :rofl:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/state_toplines/west_virginia/toplines_west_virginia_presidential_election_june_2_2008

[Shoelace]

25. West Virginia wising up? Wow!

interesting poll there. Hope the DNC pours some $$ into that state.

[hokies4ever]

27. This is why primaries have nothing to do with the general

[Independent-Voter]

49. Obama has an Appalachia problem, not a rural problem. WV, KY, and SE Ohio in particular

I'm not sure what the solution is either. None of those areas are particularly bright to begin with.

[glowing]

6. If the media really thought that we'd like to take a backstep in history..

or allow a man who publicly called his wife a cunt to take the job of helping to protect women's rights issues, you have another thing coming..

It may take a bit to calm down some women.. it may be as simple as going and holding your nose in November, but go we will.. McCain has shown a disregard for women in his own life; I don't think he cares about the rest of us either...

Example: I was talking to our cleaning supply rep.. McCain was on t.v... back in January. The man said, I can't stand that man. I said I can't either. He said that McCain, a while back now, had the audacity to hit on his wife in front of him.. and ran around telling everyone at the party that he would be President one day... I think this was in the early 90's or maybe 80's... not so sure.. That story stuck with me over all the others and with his treatment of his first wife, and his second, and other women in his proximity.. I will do not want to live in a country where a man who is president is more sexist than Chris Mathews.

[Shoelace]

21. McCain the womanizer

McCain cheated with Cindy on his DISABLED wife who sat by and waited for him while he was a POW and that is how he repaid her, by cheating on her with some home wrecking tramp who was 20 years younger. Imagine how he will treat Americans as would be (will never be) president.

Another tool for our toolbox and we'll need our own soundbites to fend off the Media whores who will try to bash Obama.

[yourguide]

7. Shizam!!!

Great news!

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. hey, I was going to post this!!!

Not Fair!!

:mad:

But for the sake of Party unity...

RECOMMENDED!!!! This POST SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE

FRONT PAGE!!!!

[helderheid]

10. rec 8!

[Shoelace]

12. well it sure is very great news!!!

and am so glad I/we found the story because just after Hillary's speech, the nightly news managed to find a couple of HRC supporters who said "I'll never vote for Obama..." and they played it up bigtime.

We must counter these divisive media tactics as they will use them against our party. We need a "Soundbite Ops Squad" or SOS on DU. How's that for a pregnant idea?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Straight from the "No shit!" file.

Not this time!

[TheWraith]

16. No shit.

I could have told you that the people insisting that women in general and Clinton voters in particular were going to have a temper tantrum and not support Obama were wrong.

Oh wait... I DID say that. :)

[hokies4ever]

23. The REAL need is for senior women

[Shoelace]

26. I know several senior women HRC supporters who've already said they'll vote for Obama

and they were hardcore Hillarites, trust me on that. One thing that will unite us all is the Bush factor not to mention that everytime McLame opens his mouth, lizards pour out!

[hokies4ever]

28. I was referring to most of the exit polls

Even Obama himself said that he has a 'senior problem' after the PA primary. I think that he even won 65 and under by 6 points in Indiana, but lost by like 30 points or so with the senior vote. His speech in Raleigh, NC seems to focus on seniors a little bit more.

[Shoelace]

30. I wonder how accurate those "exit polls" really are

and who exactly takes them? Hmmm, I think I'll research this.

[hokies4ever]

32. Exit polls may not be accurate

but when it shows someone losing a voting block by 30 points, there's little to dispute.

[cbayer]

31. I believe that there are those that will use this talking point

to continue the divisions within the party. To them I say, No You Won't!

Let's jump all over it and shut it down wherever we see it, starting with DU.

Great OP! Recommended.

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. Truly GREAT NEWS!!!! PLEASE RECOMMEND THIS POST!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

34. With pleasure - this middle aged white woman is TIRED of being stereotyped.

HRC is "all Women" like Barack Obama is "all African Americans." :eyes:

We need to MOVE BEYOND "identity" and "wedge" politics for such tactics only benefits the Status Quo promoting the UPPER CLASS - nobody else win when you "slice and dice" voting blocs.

[Iceburg]

35. Recent CNN poll says 39% defection of Hillary supporters...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/09/clinton.supporters/index.html

A newly released CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that if Obama does not select Clinton as his running mate, 22 percent of her supporters would stay home this fall -- and another 17 percent would vote for McCain.

[writes3000]

36. Fantastic News! We can count on 61% of Clinton Supporters! Thanks! n/t

[Forkboy]

37. How to make oneself irrelevant in one easy step.

[Shoelace]

44. Gallup's new daily poll shows Obama - 48% to 42% over McCain w/out a VP choice

so the good news cancels out all else so far.




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[Douglas Carpenter]

38. Kick and recommended -- very important and very good news!!

[applegrove]

39. That is excellent news.

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. another kick for GREAT NEWS!! MORE RECOMMENDS????

[Shoelace]

45. yes, Democrats must ignore negative media PR, concentrate on UNITY

The media is really on this "divide and conquer" crap now. And you are seeing alot of Duers buying it (still).
This one piece of news proves it so am trying to make sure enough folks see it to recognize the Media hype.

This is what I want to see in November. Actually I'd love to see it right NOW!!

[Colobo]

50. Gobama!