Rachael Maddow is really annoying these days

[gaiilonfong]

I love Rachael she is a great progressive voice...but every friggin night on race for the WH she keeps saying McBush has an advantage and Obama might win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote, and that the Obama campaign has lots of work....I don't agree with her, and she keeps repeating it over and over like a wingnut talking point...she needs to cut it out and STFU and stop talking like a wingnut

[LSparkle]

1. I think her angle is "we can't get cocky about this because it's a Dem year"

Plenty of pundits are painting this as a race we CAN'T lose
(unless we fire up the typical circular firing squad) and
Rachel wants the left to avoid resting on our laurels too
much and assuming Bomb Bomb McLameSame is a loser ...

[debbierlus]

20. Exactly. Fight the good fight until its OVER

[TomInTib]

2. Maybe she has her own opinion of events.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

[gaiilonfong]

3. maybe you are right

BUT...she just keeps repeating it...and maybe people will think she really thinks that is what is going on!

[chascarrillo]

28. Maybe if her opinion is so at odds with reality, she might consider talking about something else.

Just a thought. Then again, I'm not feeling too charitable towards pundits of any stripe at the moment, so mayhaps that's just my bias showing.

[Maureen1322]

4. I like Rachel and I appreciate her keeping things real.

I never question what side of the fence she is on.

[Ravy]

5. Somebody needs to tell her there is no popular vote in the GE.

We go by electoral votes. Popular vote does not matter.

[Inuca]

12. That's EXACTLY HER point! n/t

[CakeGrrl]

14. It *is* a more reasonable argument to make in the GE than in the Primaries, though

...since you must win a state's "popular vote" in the GE to earn its EVs.

I see the point she's making that Obama could win big in Dem states like CA, NY, IL, MI, etc. while McCain could grab the EV advantage with narrow victories in battlegrounds like OH, PA, etc. The overall number of votes would go to Obama, but McCain could pull out the EV victory. It never hurts to remind people not to get overconfident.

The Dems need to try to put this away beyond Diebold's ability to steal it.

[Ravy]

32. I couldn't disagree more about which election it was a more reasonable argument for.

In the Democratic Primary, some delegates were awarded based formulas for caucuses and the primaries. Others could vote the way they saw fit, including using the popular vote as the criteria for casting their vote.

So while it has absolutely no bearing in the GE, it was valid to track and consider as a metric, at least for some delegates, in the Democratic primaries.

We need to contest as many states as possible. There are downticket considerations, and if we constantly ignore states then we will never get a foothold there.

[Hieronymus]

15. As a Rhodes Scholar, with a doctorate in political science, I'll bet she

knows that.

[rox63]

34. On a state-by-state basis, there is a popular vote

For example, whichever candidate gets the most votes in Virginia will get all of that state's electoral votes.

[Ravy]

35. In that connotation, her argument is flat wrong.

Whoever wins the popular vote does win the most electoral votes if simply talking about states. I think she was talking about the combined popular vote, which means nothing in the GE, although it was valid criteria for the superdelegates in the primaries-- a fact that the Rhodes scholar, doctorate in Political Science conveniently refused to acknowledge in support of her candidate at the time.

[my3boyz]

6. Keep in mind she was also so sure that we were going to have a convention fight. nt

[grasswire]

7. do you have a doctorate in political science?

I think she has one.

[anonymous171]

8. That's good. The harder we work the more likely we are to win.

[senseandsensibility]

9. Does she ever support it with facts?

I've only heard her do it once (today) and she just threw it out there. I was surprised, and wondered what she was basing it on.

[krkaufman]

10. Speaking of Race for the White House ...

... tonight is the first time I've watched it and am wondering ... is it just me or does it seem like the show is 80+% criticism of Obama and minimal criticism or defense of McCain? e.g. Gregory went back to rehashing the Michelle Obama "proud" comment ... but said nothing about McCain's saying just this week that sometimes "it's hard to be proud" of the country.

I looooathe the MSM.

[Swamp Rat]

11. CNN is even worse.

It is REALLY anti-Obama... they manufacture anti-Obama propaganda like FUX noise now.

[senseandsensibility]

13. That's SOP for all corporate media

The Dems always have some kind of problem to surmount, even when they're ahead in all the polls. McCain is behind on fundraising and poll numbers, including the battleground states, but he has no problems.:shrug:

[Middle finga]

16. David Gregory is the one who posed the question based on

some report or survey. Gregory entire show seems to be about questioning Obama's position, hardly anything critical of McCain. The more I watch David Gregory the more I dislike that chipmunk.

[NotThisTime]

18. David Gregory is horrid....

[tularetom]

17. That dickbrain Gregory has more annoyingness in his pinky fingernail

than Rachel has in her entire body. On the most annoying day of her entire life she would be less annoying than listening to one minute of that guy who just croaked.

If you look at the alternatives, she ain't really very annoying at all.

If she annoys you, ya better turn off the teevee right fuckin now.

[debbierlus]

19. Good. The last thing we need is for people to become complacent thinking Obama inevitable

And, not turning out for him....

We NEED our side motivated to donate, vote, and participate....

A little fear is a GOOD thing. We should be a LITTLE afraid. They stole two elections. They will throw every nasty,
dirty, disgusting trick in the book at him....

I believe we WILL win...IF....we stay engaged for the whole process. All of us.

Thanks Rachel!

[mamalone]

21. Sadly....

us Dems possess an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:( I think she just doesn't want us to get overconfident and think this win is a done deal. She's right that we need to keep our heads up and keep working, keep working, keep working...

We just cannot afford to lose this time.

[BklynChick]

22. I agree. She lost me at "Hillary's definitely taking this to the Convention." I think she's a half

glass empty kinda person.

[WillyWonton]

23. Hmmm, thats funny...

just a few weeks ago, she was a DU darling. But now she dares mention that Obama might not have the GE sewn-up like some have already decided, and she is told to STFU. Rachel is trying to keep it real, and not sit back and watch the GE fall through our fingertips.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

24. Honestly?

This shit is going to blow minds, but it's not Rachel Maddow's job to be a mouthpiece for the DNC.

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Oh dear.

[L0oniX]

26. So is David Gregory.

[rasputin1952]

27. There is a metod to the maddenss, she keeps the notice in

NcCain, She is the of the few voices that expose the gaffes ofd McCain, but she does not do it in a mean way. After vitrutually every spot, there is a jab at McCain. She is setting him up as a duck in a shooting gallery.

Don't underestimate Rachel...she is a wonder at the sublime.

[grantcart]

29. I didn't see the show in question but you are right about Rachel she is clever.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. I am getting very, very disappointed with Rachel. She is failing to hold the MSM's feet

to the fire. I hate her podcast now because she has 1 hour of "Race to the White House," which is NOT what I'm paying for. I will give her one more month, then I will finally cancel Air America. Rachel is not on her game at all. She is not focusing on McSame's shortcomings; she is buying into the Right Wing, MSM's lies about Obama's supposed "problems."

[NC_Nurse]

31. Well, she's was wrong about Hillary taking it to the convention and she's

wrong about this too. Sometimes they're wrong. Sadly, for some reason, speculation comes with the job these days.
I prefer to watch her discuss the issues, she's really good at that. I hate listening to all of them speculate - Tweety,
Buchanon, Rachel, etc. It's not coverage - it's BULLSHIT. I guess it's a living....:eyes:

[hokies4ever]

33. She's already gone on record saying that Obama will lose this election

Rachel firmly believes that the Dems ruined their chances severely with their long primary race. She also thought that Hillary was going to the Convention though, so she has been wrong before.