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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:30 AM
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Read all about it: Media smearing Obama, wall to wall distortion
Good-government groups criticized Obama’s move to opt out of the public financing system, the Washington Post writes. Public Citizen President Joan Claybrook called $85 million ‘plenty of money’ and warned that private funding -- even in the mostly small sums that Obama relies on – ‘comes with the expectations of special access or favors.’” More: “‘Senator Obama knew the circumstances surrounding the presidential general election when he made his public pledge to use the system," said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21.”

The editorial pages weren’t too pleased with the decision, either. The Washington Post’s: “Mr. Obama had an opportunity here to demonstrate that he really is a different kind of politician… He made a different choice, and anyone can understand why: He's going to raise a ton of money. Mr. McCain played games with taking federal matching funds for the primaries until it turned out he didn't need them, and he had a four-month head start in the general election while Mr. Obama was still battling for the nomination. Outside groups are going to come after him. He has thousands of small donors along with his big bundlers. And so on. Fine. Politicians do what politicians need to do. But they ought to spare us the self-congratulatory back-patting while they're doing it.”

The New York Times’: “The excitement underpinning Senator Barack Obama’s campaign rests considerably on his evocative vows to depart from self-interested politics. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama has come up short of that standard with his decision to reject public spending limitations and opt instead for unlimited private financing in the general election.”

David Brooks said Obama’s move was part of his “Fast Eddie” persona. “All I know for sure is that this guy is no liberal goo-goo. Republicans keep calling him naïve. But naïve is the last word I’d use to describe Barack Obama. He’s the most effectively political creature we’ve seen in decades. Even Bill Clinton wasn’t smart enough to succeed in politics by pretending to renounce politics.”

The take by the AP's Sidoti: "Obama chose winning over his word. The Democrat once made a conditional agreement to accept taxpayer money from the public financing system, and accompanying spending limits, if his Republican opponent did, too. No more. The chance to financially swamp John McCain -- and maneuver for an enormous general election advantage -- proved too great an allure."


The New York Daily News: "Obama Thursday became the candidate of change, all right - he changed his mind on public financing and announced he'll become the first presidential hopeful to fund his bid entirely with private contributions. Obama's decision means he'll pass up $84 million in public grants available to him for the general election, but at the same time he'll likely keep the hefty, three-to-one cash advantage he already has over McCain, experts said."

The New York Post's cover: "Barackflip." Story headline: "Going Barack on his word."

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They did the same to Kerry when they knew the facts.

By the time the Swift Boat story had played out, CNN, chasing after ratings leader Fox News, found time to mention the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth–hereafter, Swifties–in nearly 300 separate news segments, while more than one hundred New York Times articles and columns made mention of the Swifties. And during one overheated 12-day span in late August, the Washington Post mentioned the Swifties in page-one stories on Aug. 19, 20, 21 (two separate articles), 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31. It was a media monsoon that washed away Kerry’s momentum coming out of the Democratic convention.


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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:44 AM
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1. Yeah, the $150 I've given to Obama comes with lots of strings attached
:eyes:

It's kind of hard to buy favors $2300 at a time.

As Olbermann pointed out last night, Obama's answer to public financing was never a simple "yes."
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:57 AM
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2. i could be wrong here
but i think it's more of the principle involved than the actual dollar amount.
not having followed this issue very closely, i don't have much of an opinion either way. however if obama pledged to opt into public funding then this is at least a gaffe.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:03 AM
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3. No, Obama pledge to opt out if he could reach an agreement with his GOP opponent
Period. If McCain wants to abide by the agreement, limit the involvement of 527s, the ball is in his court.

There is a reason McCain will not agree to this, and this is the point missing from the MSM coverage.

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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:05 AM
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5. if you say so
like i clearly said. i haven't followed this issue, and don't really care one way or another.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:06 AM
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6. There was never a simple yes/no pledge
The answer was, "Yes, if we can talk to the opponent and can come to an agreement." The talks with McCain happened and no agreement came out of them. Obama then made the decision that going without public financing would put him in a better position against the GOP 527s (and everybody agrees.)
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:09 AM
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7. russ feingold didn't agree
but let me say again. i never heard of any of this until yesterday.
i did see where feingold said it was mistake to opt out.
is mccain opting out as well?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:13 AM
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We are telling you what actually happened and you are ignoring what we are saying
Why? We are explaining the facts and you keep making these snide-ass comments.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:25 AM
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17. actually at the moment
i'm googling and reading about this.
apparently some government watchdog groups are disappointed that he's doing this as well.
also apparently he said he would opt in if mccain did as well.
i'm trying to find out if mccain has opted out.
as far as you telling me what actually happened, at this point i'm not sure you actually know.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:34 AM
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20. McCain took public funds
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 09:36 AM by high density
But McCain only announced that after Obama said he was not taking public funds, and after Obama's campaign tried to come to an agreement with McCain's campaign on the issue. Obama makes it clear in his video comment released yesterday the "external" 527s were a reason for the choice he made. Also obviously on the Obama campaign's mind was how McCain opted in and then unilaterally opted out of the public financing for the primary season, which was against the law and still goes unpunished. McCain clearly isn't interested in playing by the rules.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:54 AM
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28. What don't I know? McCain accepted public financing for the primaries
and has opted out for the General. I know exactly what I'm talking about. It is you who continues to repeat the same Talking Point after at least 5 of us have explained it to you. :shrug:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:31 AM
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19. Sorry, but Feingold is naive in his talk about this
I know he cosponsored the bill and all, but I agree with John Kerry. I do not want a replay of 2004. Kerry was screwed in August 2004 by financing.

I haven't seen Feingold's reasoning behind his comments, other than "it's a mistake" and "it's not broken." Well it is broken if one side of the race aims 527s at Obama all summer long and Obama can't respond because of being kneecapped by the public finance laws.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:38 AM
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22. so far
i've seen that the "Pledge" he took, was in real life a questionnaire that he filled out last sept.
he was open to using public funds if mccain did as well. there was some concern because the gop nomination was sewn up pretty quickly giving mccain a headstart in fundraising for the election in nov.

i can see where this is being blown out of proportion, but i can also see how it looks like flip flopping.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:43 AM
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23. IMO, It's only flip flopping if the person reads Obama's answer and stops at the "yes" checkmark
...Which is what the MSM is doing in spades at the moment. I think everybody in their lives has given thousands of conditional "yes" answers and this is no different.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:52 AM
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27. i agree with you
also a questionnaire isn't exactly a pledge.
after some further reading, the supposed pledge was contingent on agreements with mccain about more than just mccain opting in.
as you said earlier the 527s were to be agreed upon.

imo this was at most a small gaffe, more like a glitch in the paperwork than any real issue. at least so far as i know at the moment.


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:12 AM
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9. What don't you understand. He never "pledged" anything!
He wanted to negotiate with McSame about public financing. When McSame turned down public funding, Obama decided to do the same. He doesn't want McSame being able to use 527's and other smear groups to have the upper hand.

It's baffling that people don't understand that Obama NEVER stated that he would opt out. He never did!!!
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:16 AM
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11. ok he never said he would opt out
maybe his media team should get on this then.
i know exactly what i've read (mostly here at du) since yesterday.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:20 AM
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14. THEY HAVE!!! You and the media choose to ignore it. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:22 AM
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16. there was a pledge to negotiate a comprehensive agreement no pledge to go into it
blindly
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:48 AM
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24. "not having followed this issue very closely, i don't have much of an opinion either way."
You then go on to conclude that this was at least a gaffe.

You buy into Big Media's lies, just as they were hoping.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:58 AM
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29. EXACTLY!!! n/t
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:16 AM
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31. griffi94, with all due respect, read the following, and please
do not allow the MSM to convince you of falsehoods or that Obama has flip-flopped on this issue.

Looks like they reported it last year.

Read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6389090
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:05 AM
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4. I gave Obama money. Now he has to clean the cat litter every night.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:11 AM
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8. This too shall pass
The mock outrage is predictable. Obama was in a can't win situation. Had he taken public financing he'd be in the same situation as Kerry, financially unable to respond the all too predictable attack ads that will be forthcoming.

Few voters care that he has opted out. His reasoning is solid, if anybody bothers to take five minutes to listen to it.

The MSM will get their ya-yas out for the next few days and then that will be that.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:16 AM
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13. everything that you said.

I'd much prefer a few days of fallout about the supposed "breaking of a promise" than a two-months-long smear campaign that Obama could do nothing about. Money will make the difference this time around. Being able to "carpet-bomb" the media with his message will neutralize whatever they've got planned. I wonder when the bin Laden tape is due out?
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:13 AM
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10. Americans now will expect special exceptions
like accountable, transparent government
or addressing climate change without resorting to an autoritarian, police security state
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:16 AM
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12. McCain opted out of public financing in GOP primary after he said he would use it
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:21 AM
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15. Hell yeah
I've been giving money to Obama for months with the secret understanding that I will get to take a piss on the portrait of Ronald Reagan. Uh oh I hope Sean Hannity isn't reading this.


Fox Headline tomorrow: Obama Supporters plotting to piss on Reagan Portrait
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:29 AM
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18. Whether or not Barack actually changed his position on his campaign financing
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 09:30 AM by butlerd
McCain has unquestioningly changed his position (aka "flip-flopped") how many times in this campaign????? How many times has Bush flip-flopped during his (p)residency (contrary to the non-revised historical record he has actually flip-flopped on several things)

Seriously, is Obama changing his mind on campaign financing (based on his needs which were difficult if not impossible to determine beforehand, especially with the seriously protracted primary) THAT big of a deal???? Weren't there some issues with McCain and public financing too?

Is this ALL the GOP/MSM have on Obama at this point????
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:36 AM
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21. the letter from the Washington Bureau chiefs of six news orgs to the Obama campaign was so hilarious
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 09:36 AM by ErinBerin84
"The decision to mislead reporters is a troubling one. We hope this does not presage a relationship with the Obama campaign that is not based on a mutual respect for the truth."


Well, I think that the decision to mislead the American public is a troubling one. And the McCain campaign and the press certainly don't have a "mutual respect for the truth". They have a mutual respect for BBQ sauce.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:49 AM
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25. Gee, I wonder if Rove gave them the text of that letter
Things with the media have gotten worse since 2004, amazingly.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:50 AM
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26. Someone has JUST covered this on NPR that McSame opted in public funding then opted OUT of it. I am
...waiting on the Obama campaign to say the same!!!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:59 AM
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30. They're talking about the
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