Hope And Change
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Sun Jun-22-08 06:01 AM
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Poll question: Must Obama Choose A VP That Voted Against The Iraq War? |
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Sun Jun-22-08 06:09 AM
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1. This presumes that he's going to choose a member of Congress as his VP. |
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Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 06:11 AM by Spider Jerusalem
And not only that, but that he'll choose someone who was in Congress to vote on the IWR. Which, among currently mentioned contenders for the VP slot, means Clinton, Edwards and Biden, basically. Each of whom brings their own strengths (Edwards' economic policy ideas, Biden's foreign policy and national security chops, Hillary's levels of support among Democratic primary voters). If a candidate under consideration for the VP nod brings enough to the table to outweigh that vote (especially if, like Edwards or Biden, but notably NOT Clinton) that candidate has admitted making a mistake in voting 'yes' on the IWR and expressed regret for doing so, then I don't see that it would necessarily be much of an issue.
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Sun Jun-22-08 09:52 AM
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13. Ted Strickland would qualify. |
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He was in the House and voted no on the AUMF. However, he has stated fairly forcefully that he does not want the VP spot.
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Sun Jun-22-08 06:10 AM
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2. Obama will chose who he wants to chose. |
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Sun Jun-22-08 07:05 AM
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3. I would expect those who voted for the war |
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to be investigated and publicly humiliated, if not prosecuted. It would be difficult to do so with a VP who voted for the war. Although, he doesn't really have to pick a Congressperson as his VP, so it might not matter.
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Sun Jun-22-08 07:10 AM
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4. Really? I doubt if even Bush and Cheney will be investigated and |
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publicly humiliated. Look back to Iran/Contra for what will probably be the precedent.
Such investigations will join impeachment, off the table.
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Sun Jun-22-08 09:54 AM
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14. How bout a public stoning? And for those who continued to fund it? water board em? |
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Sun Jun-22-08 07:14 AM
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5. Or opposed it and had no vote - Absolutely nt |
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Sun Jun-22-08 07:15 AM
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6. I voted "no" but this is yet another reason why he'll choose a governor |
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thus avoiding the always painful IWR litmus test.
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Sun Jun-22-08 07:23 AM
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7. If they've acknowledged error, no. |
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Their vote on Kyl-Lieberman would actually be more instructive in this regard: indicates whether they're capanble of learning from mistakes.
And/or whether their conversion to antiwar on Iraq is anything more than politically expedient.
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Sun Jun-22-08 07:55 AM
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8. That's an excellent question. nt |
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Sun Jun-22-08 08:04 AM
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9. oh I can't wait to see the results of this poll |
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Sun Jun-22-08 08:55 AM
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10. While Tickets are Often Politically Balanced |
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This is one area in which balance is bad. Politicially, there is no need to appeal to war supporters. It would muddy the waters and makes it appear that Obama is willing to sacrifice principle.
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Sun Jun-22-08 08:57 AM
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11. preferably not a current Congressman/woman |
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PErsonally, I think he should pick someone out of Washington, like Gore.
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Sun Jun-22-08 09:42 AM
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12. If the person had a vote, yes. Otherwise, why not HRC? |
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Sun Jun-22-08 10:20 AM
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15. 'Cause she still doesn't think she did anything wrong. |
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To piggy-back on Santayana: *she* may be condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past, but do we have to actively enable her to do so?
And have her drag the country and the world along with her?
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Sun Jun-22-08 10:39 AM
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Just as long as they're for getting out right away.
It might actually add to the ticket to have someone who's taken the journey from support to opposition of the war, because that's what most Americans did, IMO.
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Sun Jun-22-08 10:42 AM
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Sun Jun-22-08 10:55 AM
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18. I think it better phrased that the nominee NEVER have SUPPORTED the Iraq War Resolution |
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hence, those who NEVER voted on the issue could be included, as well as those apparently silent (like Mark Warner).
But the basic principle is right -- it would backfire to try to "broaden" his base on this issue to those who changed their minds on the war. That would include both HRC and Edwards, as well as many others being strongly considered.
Obama needs to pick a SOLID Democrat with WIDE popular appeal -- and those two things are NOT incompatible, just a tall order.
I favor CA Sen Barbara Boxer, and in general a woman who never supported IWR. Bob Graham of FL also voted no on IWR, and could help carry Florida (and that, folks, would be itsky for McCain) :=)!
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Sun Jun-22-08 10:58 AM
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Sun Jun-22-08 10:59 AM
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20. Other: He'll choose a gov n/t |
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Sun Jun-22-08 01:38 PM
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22. Might as well ask: "Did your fave VP candidate vote against the IWR?" |
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Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 01:45 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
Who among the most-mentioned VP peoples DID vote against the war? Or even opposed the war from the beginning? :*
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Sun Jun-22-08 01:42 PM
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To not pick someone who was against the war would undercut one of his chief arguments against Bush/McCain, i.e. that they lacked the good judgment to oppose the war.
When he makes that argument, McCain can just point to his VP and say, your VP was in favor of the war. If that's indicative of bad judgment, why did you pick him as VP? Why did you pick a VP with bad judgment.
I'm shocked this poll is as close as it is. I would have thought this point was obvious.
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Sun Jun-22-08 01:52 PM
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someone who says they made a mistake like John Edwards, I don't have any problem with. People like Lieberman who think the Iraq war is the best thing since individually wrapped cheese slices can suck it.
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Sun Jun-22-08 02:03 PM
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25. He needs to choose a VP that didn't have the option. |
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He needs a Governor like Sebelius or Richardson, or someone like Wes Clark.
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Sun Jun-22-08 04:25 PM
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Sun Jun-22-08 04:27 PM
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27. Or else not a congresscritter in the first place. |
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Sun Jun-22-08 04:28 PM
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Sun Jun-22-08 04:42 PM
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29. I'd prefer he not pick one who voted for it, but I'll feel comfortable with whoever the pick is. |
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Sun Jun-22-08 05:01 PM
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30. After making it a central distinction from his opponents in the primaries, yes. |
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Mon Jun-23-08 02:55 AM
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Mon Jun-23-08 06:51 AM
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32. Other: Must have been AGAINST it. Otherwise, he's saying McCain's bad judgment on |
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voting for the war wasn't really a big deal.
He's said he's picking someone who will be the last person who he confers with. Picking someone that supported the Iraq War, the biggest debacle in U.S. history, would be a stupid move.
He won't be able to hammer McCain for his bad judgment when his VP displayed that SAME bad judgment.
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Tue Jun-24-08 09:38 AM
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35. TOTALLY AGREE !!!! sorry for the caps n/t |
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Mon Jun-23-08 09:44 AM
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33. We must change the mindset of how we get into wars. |
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Tue Jun-24-08 06:18 PM
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37. if they were in the Senate at the time, I would prefer it |
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If they voted for the IWR but admitted they made a mistake, I would be inclined to accept that.
Most importantly, I would want someone who would NOT be inclined to support new imperial wars and would be supportive of peace in the Middle East.
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