"Wes Clark and Obama are on top of what's going on right now; it's a coordinate effort"

[Colobo]

"They are dominating the news and slamming McCain in the process". Do you agree with that assesment? That's what I believe it's going on... and you?

[PBS Poll-435]

1. Obligatory "Other"

Clark is being aggressive, Obama is uncomfortable with the attack.

[Colobo]

2. Done.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. Did you see Clark on Face the Nation

He did not make a gaffe, he said exactly what he rehearsed with David Axelrod and other strategists beforehand. This is how you play the game. Surrogates attack, candidate distances himself from the attack. Bush certainly didn't praise the Swift Boat Liars in 2004.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. It wasn't so much a gaffe, but the intensity in the attack

[uponit7771]

14. It came off wrong but wasn't false in any way. I know some vets who I respect GREATLY but wouldn't..

...think they were qualified to be president.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. The idea is to make McCain to lose his temper and lash out at Obama

And for Obama to calmly respond, "well I never said that, General Clark did." This is how it works.

[uponit7771]

16. I really think the Obama campaign is using this, I REALLY believed they used the MsM on Wright also

...to make sure people knew he wasn't a Muslim and only 11% of people now believe that vs. 26% of people believe the sun revolves around the Earth.

I've seen this before, it usually turns out to be a net positive for Obama...

[Hippo_Tron]

18. Reverand Who?

Sorry it's been so long that I forgot about that whole thing.

:rofl: :rofl:

[uponit7771]

21. Yeap, I forgot about him till I heard a ring tone. The whole thing was a net positive for Obama IMHO

...and I think this issue will too.

Clark knew what he was saying, mater of fact...anyone in Obama's camp could've said what Clark said but a former 5 star said it.

This looks like a lil MsM manipulation to me....that's a good thing.

[blondeatlast]

17. It was brilliant, IMHO; Clark has nothing to lose and he knows it. nt

[uponit7771]

19. RIGHT!!! There's NO WAY I'm going to believe Clark didn't know what he was saying or it was a gaffe.

[blondeatlast]

30. KKKarl Rove may not be quite the genius he's given credit for. but

our guys have taken some of his lessons and honed them to a sharp, brilliant weapon to be used against Rove & Co...

:evilgrin:

[greyshade]

3. Obama/Clark '08!

[Pirate Smile]

4. No but I'm not mad at either Clark or Obama.

I think Clark stepped on the Obama camps message today but I'm certainly not made at Clark for saying what he did about McCain.

[high density]

5. I'm going to hope/assume it is option 1

Otherwise I'd just be really mad, and that's not helpful.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. YES THANK YOU!!

People do not get how this works.

[uponit7771]

12. You'd have to think like a Chicago Politician, word is they play rough. Now this is going to be a 50

...cycle news item and it's a legitimate statement.

I know a bunch of vets who I respect GREATLY but there in NO way qualified to be president.

[uponit7771]

8. I JUST made this same point on another board!!! The statement about McSame is VALID and TRUE and...

...there's no way swiftboaters would let Obama getting shot down and calling himself qualified for president be an issue.

Obama free message play

1. - Have expendable surrogate say something truthful but controversial
2. - Wait till MsM picks up on Obama surrogates TRUTHFUL and THOUGHT provoking remarks and they'll play their faux outrage card pas 8 news cycles
3. - Obama denounces expendable surrogate making the denouncement another 8 cycle news item.

What Clark said is true and news it's getting in freeperLund and the MsM is free!!!

Anyone else seeing what I see?

Thx

[tekisui]

10. The cycle is dominated with "Does mccain's military service qaulify him for Pres?"

Of course the answer is no, many thousands of servicemen and women are not qualified. So the next logical question is, what makes him qualified. That is where you hear crickets. mclame has nothing. He has nothing but the respect of service, not any qualification or judgment to be commander in chief.

[uponit7771]

13. It gets the question out there and the MsM repeating it over faux outrage

[FrenchieCat]

11. These two wonderful people are not naive to what the media

is about. Not in a million years. And anyone underestimating either of these two men earns my ire.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. Have Wes Clark's statements raised doubts in the public's mind about McCain?

Clark merely proposed that war heroisim doesn't necessarily qualify someone to be an executive decision-maker. I think it probably has raised questions about McCain, particularly among independents. It goes to the very core of McCain's appeal.

[uponit7771]

22. RIGHT!! The question was raised by a 4 star general too. The question in and of itself is VALID...

...outside of the way it was said Clark wasn't far off the mark.

I know plenty of Nam vets who are progressive good people but I wouldn't vote for them to be prez...

[bain_sidhe]

31. And the "way it was said" was actually Schieffer's words

Clark just repeated them in making his point. From the transcript:

http://securingamerica.com/node/2993

Bob Schieffer: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean-

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.

They weren't Clark's words. They were Schieffer's words, which Clark repeated in his answer. We need to keep pointing this out whenever somebody goes off on what Clark said.

[FrenchieCat]

23. And we are talking about a 4 star war winning General

making the point.

That's deep.

[Colobo]

24. Kick!

[slipslidingaway]

25. Other, more concerned about the escalating talk against Iran

and that topic needs more attention IMO.

[Mz Pip]

26. I only hope

that there are people on the various talk show panels that will defend and honestly analyze what Clark said.

My concern is that entire segments will be given solely to bashing Clark, not honestly evaluating the content of his words. Thisd needs to be more about McCain than about Clark. Until then, it's not going to make people take a serious look at McCain's 'experience.'

[Forkboy]

27. I think Clark and Obama have just played the media like a fiddle.

Along with some people here on DU.

Coordinated or not, it gets a very interesting, anti-McCain point out there while Obama takes the high road. His campaign has been able to pull this off repeatedly due to the predictability of the media, so I think it may well indeed be coordinated.

[blondeatlast]

28. It pays to learn the ways of the enemy--Karl Rove has been unseated by a smarter, hungrier opponent.

It was bound to happen eventually.

:bounce:

[sandyj999]

29. Clever................. n/t