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Wed Jul-09-08 07:50 PM
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Obama supports FISA cause he wants to protect his own life in the White House |
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Obama can't come right out and say it, but a President Obama knows that he would be at a high risk of an assassination attempt and he would need all the powers of the government to spy on domestic terrorist organizations, such as those white supremacist skinhead groups. Obama is very smart and he knows that he's gotta protect his life cause there's a lot of whackos out there that will try to do him harm.
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:51 PM
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1. Yeah right, and If Hillary Clinton had voted for it she would have been a GOP WHORE. |
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Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 07:52 PM by xultar
I can't believe all this shit. Obama votes for it and he's saving his life and he's running for PResident.
Hillary got RAKED over the COALS for doing shit because she was running.
Why is it o.k. for Obama and not for Hillary?
Just askin.
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:54 PM
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5. that question can't be answered |
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because hillary voted against it.
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:55 PM
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6. Fuck Hillary, this ain't about her |
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I could give a shit if she ever voted again. This is about Obama knowing he's gonna need to diligent against domestic hate groups after he wins the presidency. He needs this.
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:56 PM
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9. He did it cuz he's running for fucking President, he is a Centrist politician. |
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Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 07:59 PM by xultar
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:49 PM
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31. Yep, he's a centrist politician, unlike Hillary. |
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:sarcasm:
What exactly are you trying to accomplish by bringing up this months-old bitterness about Hillary? None of the people who were anti-Hillary in the primaries (I'll freely admit, I was one of them) are still talking about her in a negative way. Why are you bringing her primary run into this in the first place?
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:35 PM
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41. You haven't been reading some of the bonkers threads, then |
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:04 PM
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14. All presidents face danger from the assorted nuts |
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out there,it's the chance one takes in the run for office. It sounds downright reactionary to argue that Obama should be able to use powers well beyond the constitution because he could conceivably be a target,that comes with the territory.Maybe we should give police special rights outside of the laws of the Constitution too?
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:37 PM
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24. You should care about a Democratic Senator's vote |
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And, regardless of how one feels about her, she has worn the white hat far more than the black hat during her tenure in the Senate.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:44 PM
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28. Your narrow view and short sight |
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are revealing.
Obama for fuhrer NOW. He needs the power. To protect himself from opposing viewpoints.
He does not need people like Hillary in the senate. She is nothing. We don't need her. He does not need the constitution. He needs POWER and he needs it NOW.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:15 PM
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19. Hillary voted for the IWR and Kyl/Lieberman... didn't care about the military members who were going |
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to die as a result of that!
And in light of what is going on with Iran... Kyl/Lieberman may cause the death of more men and women of the military not to mention Iranians before her friend George Bush gets out of office!
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:40 PM
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to politics are always purist on the one hand. And hypocrites on the other.
It's easy that way - you are always a winner.
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:54 PM
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2. good point. i'm probably |
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going to get "flamed" for this, but i don't see the big deal with FISA. yes, it's unconstitutional but we live in dangerous times. frankly, i don't care if they read my e-mails or listen to my phone conversations. if they can catch terrorists before they act, then it's fine with me.
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:56 PM
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uh . . . I think it has something to do with telecom immunity |
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:59 PM
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11. I care. I don't want to live in a Stalinist society. If we have to live like this |
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we may as well have a dictatorship, and yes, it is that serious and it is a "Big deal" Such a "Big deal " in fact it is the reson we founded this nation. But I guess that doesn't matter anymore. Privacy rights, who needs them? Just think, we wouldn;t have needed the Revolutionary War and we could have quarterwed the British Soldiers!
The Americans of today would have said . "Don't make a fuss, we don't want to upset parliment. They will give us rights one day".
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:40 PM
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26. Yet, you're voting for McCain, correct? nt |
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:43 PM
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44. I have never said I was voting for McCain. I will be voting for the democratic nominee even if I am |
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:08 PM
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17. My God, please reread what you just wrote. You're |
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spouting the right wing line.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:15 PM
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every time someone on this forum disagrees they're told they're being right wingers, including our future president, barack obama.
give me a break.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:19 PM
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22. This sounds like a Democratic principle to you? |
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"frankly, i don't care if they read my e-mails or listen to my phone conversations. if they can catch terrorists before they act, then it's fine with me. "
Which part of that sentence does not step on every democratic notion ever uttered?
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:26 PM
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23. i guess we'll have to ask obama |
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and the other democrats who voted for it.
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:45 PM
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46. They are our employess and they represent us. And they are indeed wrong. |
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:50 PM
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34. Your argument is right-wing |
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And it is the same argument people used against the American Revolution... Hence Franklin's utterance, "Those who would forgo liberty for safety are entitled to neither and will surely lose both."
When you lose yours, I'm sure you'll be okay with it because you'll be safe from all those scary terrorists, or whatever the new enemy is.
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:44 PM
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45. Frightening , isn't it? |
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:54 PM
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4. OMFG! DU has collectively gone INSANE! NT |
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:55 PM
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7. Yes, it has. Funny as fuck though. |
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:56 PM
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8. A president is sworn in to protect the Constitution. |
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:16 PM
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21. How about to be commander in chief and to send troops to die only when necessary to protect and |
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defend the constitution of the united states. Seems that Hillary forgot about that...
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Wed Jul-09-08 07:58 PM
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10. well - with a warrant he can do all the spying his heart desires |
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:00 PM
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13. All tyrants use the same logic as what you describe |
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and of course if innocent people get hurt or killed in the process of protecting Numero Uno, that's ok because the Anointed One is saved.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:06 PM
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15. It's downright creepy and it was posted without a |
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Fri Jul-11-08 04:03 AM
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48. The logic to vote for this FISA bill is creepy |
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I'm not nearly high enough to talk to you.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:40 PM
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Sweetie darling, why not???
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:15 PM
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Maybe some huffing would get me to that level, but I don't think even that would do it; and, bollocks, I'm fresh out of crystal meth.
:toast:
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:34 PM
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40. I have Sudafed and Clatitan-D -- would that help? |
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Just don't tell Saffy I told you so.
Cheers!
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:17 PM
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37. LOL. Best reply to the most hilarious lame excuse of the day! nt |
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:09 PM
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18. Really? I heard the pro-FISA vote was to protect Santa, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny. |
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:sarcasm:
Well, it makes as much sense as some of the other rationalizations I've seen posted...
It was a disgraceful vote for an outrageous bill. Thank God some senators were brave enough and conscientious enough to vote against it.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:45 PM
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29. What other parts of the constitution should we suspend to protect specific presidents? |
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Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 08:49 PM by Hoof Hearted
The president is sworn to protect and defend the constitution, and the constitution exists to protect the people from tyranny, no matter what letter rests inside the parentheses beside the President's name.
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Wed Jul-09-08 08:47 PM
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30. Over the fucking rainbow. nt |
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32. Under the old FISA rules, our intelligence agencies could have spied on any plotter |
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Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 08:51 PM by theliberalking
On our president\'s life. FISA needed no fixing. You do not fix what ain\'t broke.
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:21 PM
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38. It is all about the POWER. No one running will vote to limit their own power. |
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Being POTUS is a very elite club. They have more in common with each other than any of us.
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:22 PM
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39. Well, I would say you know about whackos, so maybe you have something. |
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Wed Jul-09-08 09:37 PM
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42. Live free or die, baby!!!!!!!! |
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The old General answered the invitation/From soldiers under his command/I can't make the reunion boys/I hope you'll understand ... Though I'm not there/I'd like to share these few words with you/Live free or die, live free or die/Fight the fight with every breath/There are worse things than death!
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