Chuck Hagel? E S & S? You've Got to Be Fucking Kidding Me

[NashVegas]

Put down the brown acid. Now.

[MH1]

1. Hagel endorse Obama? Wonderful. Hagel as veep? NFW.

No friggin' way.

But I don't have a problem with a repub who sees that Obama is better than McCain to lead this country.

Given Hagel's positions, I'm thinking he prefers Obama just because he knows McCain is batshit crazy, and/or senile, and/or just too unstable to be given control of the football. And being someone who wants his kids to live (apparently many repubs don't, or don't put much thought into these things), he realizes that ANYONE but McCain is safer.

[Sensitivity]

2. This weird lobbying against leaders on Obama's short list (Webb now Hagel) is DESTRUCTIVE

What's behind this?? ONLY PUMA AND PUGS GAIN FROM THIS.

[MH1]

3. Hagel is on Obama's short list?!? Evidence?

I will be truly disappointed if any Democrat ever chooses any Republican for running mate. One heartbeat away, and all that. If elected, such a team would massively expand the pool of potential assassins, so it is just stupid.

There are conservative Dems who would be better choices, if he has to go with someone with conservative cred. DUers have puked all over those names too (with some good reasons) but at least they are Dems. (Like Webb, Nunn, or Boren for example).

[NashVegas]

4. Stop Giving Out Hallucinatory Drugs, Will You?

It's an election year. People need to think straight.

And Webb would have become a national joke the minute his prose got distributed beyond late-night talk TV hosts.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. Wow, that's the weirdest sentiment ever expressed on DU, which is saying a lot

So now someone saying who they would or would not like as VP is damaging to Obama?

Democrats stating opposition to putting a hardcore social conservative (Hagel) a heartbeat away from the presidency can only be explained in terms of a conspiracy?

Amazing stuff.

And, since Obama himself said anything you don't hear from his lips is mere rumor, how do you know who's on his short list?

[Mass]

6. You do not know anymore than I do who is on the short list. Could you consider there is a reason the

media are pushing these types of profile: to insist on the idea that Obama is inexperienced and help McCain...

[scarletwoman]

15. Hagel is NOT, nor will he EVER be on Obama's short list!

It's not possible to have a two-party ticket, they would have to form their own third party in order to do it.

It's an absurd idea and I don't know why so many DUers keep being caught up in such utterly baseless speculation.

Webb is out because he himself has taken his name off the "list". End of story.

sw

[newmajority]

16. There's a lot of things that "only pugs" might do.

Like post without profiles, for instance. Or suggest ONLY right wingers as potential running mates.

Just sayin'......

[Phred42]

7. ES&S alone should disqualify him but also look at his VOTING RECORD

NFW!

[On the Road]

8. Regardless of the Reaility,

the rumor of Hagel being on the short list is good for Obama among independents. And potential Republican crossovers.

[mucifer]

9. what does e s and s mean??

[Blue_In_AK]

10. It's one of the voting machine companies that had "issues." n/t

[Stevepol]

20. ES&S, one of the criminal organizations that count the vote in American elections.

It began as AIS, American Information Systems, and Hagel was one of those on the board or running the company. When he decided to get in the race for the NE senate seat, he dropped out of the board. He won the election tho he didn't do much campaigning and the results differed wildly I believe from the pre-election polling, not sure about the exit polls.

When Hagel got to Congress he failed to disclose his association with AIS contrary to the rules about disclosure. He eventually did disclose his stepping down from the reins at AIS just before the election. The Dem candidate who lost tried to get an audit because of the strange results but his plea was ignored. Nobody audited or recounted anything of course. At the time and perhaps to this day, AIS (now ES&S) was partly owned by one of the major newspapers in NE.

Thom Hartmann is quite interested in this.

Here's one link of many you could find by googling:

http://makethemaccountable.com/caro/Comment_040229_VotingMachineFraud.htm

And here's a short snippet from that link:

In 1996, Hagel became the first elected Republican Nebraska senator in 24 years when he did surprisingly well in an election where the votes were verified by the company he served as chairman and maintained a financial investment. In both the 1996 and 2002 elections, Hagel’s ES&S counted an estimated 80% of his winning votes. Due to the contracting out of services, confidentiality agreements between the State of Nebraska and the company kept this matter out of the public eye. Hagel’s first election victory was described as a “stunning upset” by one Nebraska newspaper.

[Kahuna]

11. Wouldn't that guarantee an Obama win???

:rofl:

[Voice for Peace]

12. lol GOOD POINT!!!!

:think: :rofl:

[gateley]

13. Ha! If you can't beat 'em...

:rofl:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. thank the gods somebody is awake!...fucking Hagel's company counts the votes and he gave us Bush

I hate the man

[Sensitivity]

17. I thought that was DIEBOLD machines. Or are FACTS irrelevant at this point.

[Inuca]

18. I don't think that any arguments can convince

those who have donned the ES&S tinfoil hat. I tried. I gave up. Recommend the same.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. Diebold and ES&S software count 80% of US votes.......2 brothers

the Urosevich brothers, Bob and Todd. Their respective companies, Diebold and ES&S Software permanently installed software, called firmware, still resides inside both electronic scanners and touchscreen machines and is capable of manipulating votes.