Virginia Dare
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Thu Jul-17-08 09:38 AM
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Does anybody else see the disconnect in McCain's "hippie love" ad?.. |
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he contrasts scenes of "hippies" seemingly practicing free love Woodstock style with his concurrent experience in a POW camp. But yet, he practiced his own brand of "free love" when he returned from VietNam didn't he?
How is he considering himself above all that? Because he wasn't dropping acid and attending rock concerts at the time? Nobody under the age of say 65 would even begin to get that line of reasoning.
Didn't we rehash VietNam ad nauseum when both Clinton and Kerry ran? Obama is too young to have served there, he's too young to have been at Woodstock, it's a non-issue and it's time to move on, but I'm certainly overjoyed that the troglodytes in the GOP can't see that.
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Thu Jul-17-08 09:45 AM
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He's still living in the 60's and he thinks that dissing hippies is still "cool".
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Thu Jul-17-08 09:50 AM
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what is McCain jabbering about this time?
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Thu Jul-17-08 09:59 AM
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3. He's going on about how hippies were having "free love"... |
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While he was a POW. That should resonate with the over 70 crowd.
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:07 AM
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who shot him down?
what do hippies and their 'free love' have to do with the 2008 Presidential campaign, I wonders
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Thu Jul-17-08 03:17 PM
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15. Nothing and IMO, Obama's campaigning against them too! |
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Given that he was about 7 or 8 when Woodstock occurred, he can't personally be McCain's target, and he (Obama) has directly rejected some things about the 60's anyway.
Is NO ONE for the hippies? Oh, the humanity.
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Thu Jul-17-08 03:50 PM
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:hippie:
What's so funny 'bout Peace, Love and Understanding anyway?
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Thu Jul-17-08 04:38 PM
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When I was little our friends' parents went to Broadway and saw "Hair", and they showed us the album cover. For years, all I wanted was to be 18 so that I would be old enough to BE in "Hair" (not that I can sing, dance, or act - I was just intrigued). Sadly, it never came to pass. The show closed long before I was 18.
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Fri Jul-18-08 08:50 AM
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Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 08:50 AM by Jake3463
Other than the voice over I think the visuals were designed for a different opponent.
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:03 AM
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4. I haven't seen the ad but it sounds really stupid............ |
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Thu Jul-17-08 02:46 PM
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11. It is stupid, but it is playing like gangbusters in Ohio |
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Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 02:47 PM by mtnester
as a swing state, it is non-stop political advertising, and we gets ads that many parts of this country do not ever see....including the Summer of Love hippies are evil implication ad (insert the word LIBERAL anywhere you see/hear the word hippie) and I was a shot down war vet...WHO WAS BAYONETED (they say that)...while everyone was dancing around and free love (damn evil liberals) he was getting shot down and bayoneted....there is more, and it is a LONG commercial.
He...is...completely...out...of...touch
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:03 AM
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5. The one where he glamorizes war and being shot down |
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The one where they superimpose Ronnie on the screen.
They are appealing to people like my brother who think that if you didn't serve you don't deserve to hold office or participate in politics.
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:05 AM
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6. And criticized Kerry for talking about Vietnam |
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That's the thing I find really appalling.
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:05 AM
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7. I never knew or saw a single hippy back then. I did know a lot of young |
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men facing the draft. One of my cousins went to Viet Nam, but the others were kept on hold. Reading the biographies in They Were Sailors to the End broke my heart, because so many on the Forestall were youngsters who joined the Navy to stay out of the jungle.
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:16 AM
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that's the part that pisses me off!
How stupid to put down hope.
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:20 AM
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10. It's a rather blatant attempt to paint Democrats as the hippies |
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of the sixties,along with the baggage that goes with that narrative in the minds of conservatives(supposed spitting on returning soldiers,Jane Fonda,SDS,etc.)While John McCain was playing John Wayne in Viet Nam.I don't expect any less from them, it makes very little difference to them whether Obama is old enough to be a part of that era,it's an attempt to paint ALL democrats as the hippies,republicans as the true patriots.
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Thu Jul-17-08 02:48 PM
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12. Most of those "hippies" |
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were more "HERO" than he was or ever will be. FU you old senile MF.
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Thu Jul-17-08 02:58 PM
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13. Former Vietnam American POWs think he was a pretty good singer |
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They don't call him Johnny Songbird for nothing...
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Thu Jul-17-08 03:08 PM
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14. I hate that damn ad! And here in Michigan it plays a lot and he is here a lot. |
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Thu Jul-17-08 03:25 PM
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with the whole premise of your OP, and everything in it except one thing.
Please change the age of understanding to - oh, say 50? I remember the era very well, and I am not anywhere near 65 years old.
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Virginia Dare
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Fri Jul-18-08 08:40 AM
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20. I'm nearing the half-century mark as well.. |
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and do remember much of that era, however, my point was, I think people of our generation understand the hippie culture, we brought it to pop culture, and we don't easily fall for the stereotypes. In other words, we don't get the whole "us vs. them" argument.
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Thu Jul-17-08 04:41 PM
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19. That ad pissed me off...it's like watching a preview of The Passion |
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Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 04:43 PM by cbc5g
John McCain was shot down! beaten! bayoneted! tortured! when told to go home he said no!
And he has some tough guy actor reading it.
And notice near the end they have a subtle slam on Obama. They can't even get through a positive ad without attacking Obama.
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Fri Jul-18-08 08:54 AM
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23. They even stole the slam line |
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From a Margaret Thatcher ad in the 70s.
It was on Hardball about a week ago.
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Fri Jul-18-08 08:46 AM
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21. I think parts of the ad was made months ago |
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Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 08:46 AM by Jake3463
At least the Hippie part of it.
I don't know what he's after Obama for seeing he was 6-10 during the era that he's talking about. I guess we could send 6 year olds to war but I don't know what kind of soldiers they would make.
I stole that from MSNBC analysis last night but I agree with it.
I think it was orignially going to be a contrast ad for Hillary and they changed the voice over to throw some hits on Barack.
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