Good for her! - Clinton distances herself from Anti-Obama "Hillraiser"

[PatGund]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/clinton-distances-herself_n_113094.html

"Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working against Obama's candidacy. Ricki Lieberman is another matter."

So what has Ms. Liberman been saying?

"Any Democrat, perhaps, except Barack Obama -- or "BO aka Bush 3," as Lieberman repeatedly refers to him. The emails sometimes go out of their way to parrot some of the most hardcore attacks on Obama, including comments comparing Obama's planned nomination speech to Nazi-era rallies in Germany. In one email, she quotes messages from apparent Holocaust survivors:

I have heard from many Survivors and their children about the symbolism and implications of use of rules to undermine our core democratic values. Ellen Mendel wrote that "I was born under Hitler in Germany, and reading about the plans for the Obama throng in the stadium in Denver and the implications which have been spelled out, gives me the chills...the DNC will deliver the country to Obama on a platter. I wonder when it will hit them what pawns they have been in this Faustian tragedy.

Another, "As someone who escaped from France during WW ll, I hope that I'm not being over dramatic when I'm more than uneasy with stuff like Obama's possible Denver stadium theatrics and the calibrated negotiations going on about the convention."

Well, Sen. Clinton has taken the first step in distancing herself from these people:

"A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

[PBS Poll-435]

1. Was there ever any doubt?

Thanks Senator Clinton!

[Wetzelbill]

2. yes that person is pretty sick

She had to distance herself.

[NYC_SKP]

3. I'm glad to hear that and hope to hear more...props to Hill...nt

[DesEtoiles]

5. Clinton could be doing this in much more forceful, unambiguous ways

[NYC_SKP]

10. Yes, like in first person rather than through a spokesperson..

They still aren't on board, Bill and she.

:shrug:

[Egnever]

15. Nope but at least they are trying to pretend they are.

Its a start....

[polmaven]

21. Why would we want her

to give these types that kind of attention? That is EXACTLY what they want! ATTENTION.

She is distancing herself from them, while basically ignoring them. The few idiots that are doing this are, first, not Clinton supporters, nor are they really Democrats. They are attention hungry jerks, who will simply wallow in, and be emboldened by, any attention Senator Clinton pays to them.

Can we pleases, please, PLEASE stop with the daily Clinton bashing? She is ON BOARD!!! President Clinton is ON BOARD!!!

This was a "good for her" thread. MUST the bashing go on in every thread that mentions her name?

GROW UP!!!!

[Hoof Hearted]

36. Hillary bashing will never stop here. She can never do enough to satisfy the haters.

It's all they know how to do.

[JuniperLea]

37. Sadly, I believe you are correct.

It's getting pretty old too.

[leftynyc]

28. What the hell is ambiguous about this?

"A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

She's also said it herself so I don't understand your problem with this.

[nc4bo]

19. Thank-you Hillary but please don't stop here, need more sunlight. Keep going! nt

[Blondiegrrl]

50. I second that emotion.

:thumbsup:

[DesertFlower]

4. is this woman comparing obama to hitler?nt

[PatGund]

7. She is indeed.

[DesertFlower]

8. some of my jewish friends

are not comfortable with obama. they worry about some of his advisors who tend to be anti-israel even though obama's voting record shows he's pro-israel. it seems chuck hagel who will be accompanying obama on his trip has an anti-israel voting record.

they hear the name farrakhan and they freak. to the best of my knowledge obama has never met farrakhan. reverend wright praised farrakhan and wright was obama's pastor, yadda, yadda, yadda. they are nervous.

i don't know what to say to them anymore. i fear that one in particular will vote for McCain.

i hope they don't see this ricki liberman, Ellen Mendel crap. it's just going to give them more fuel.

[PatGund]

11. On the flip side of that coin....

All my Jewish friends, (including one Rabbi) are voting and supporting Obama.

This site might help you:

http://jews4barack.com/mythfacts/?p=35&gclid=CJPFx9feyJQCFQv7agodSFqjlA

[DesertFlower]

13. thanks. i've given them similar information.

the NJDC (national jewish democratic council) endorses obama too.

i will pass this site on to them.

i have other jewish friends who support obama. it's just these few. they are also hillary supporters who are angry that she didn't get the nomination.

[goclark]

25. All of my Jewish friends are 100% behind Obama

and they have been from the start.

[cliffordu]

30. Yeah, my best friend of 35 years - a nice Jewish boy from NJ, who basically

is disgusted with everyone and everything really really likes Obama. It's weird and completely out of character. I thought Peter had suffered a stroke or a head wound when whe first started waxing poetic about Obama.


Weird.

[flpoljunkie]

16. It appears that Ricki Lieberman is in the same hard right Likudnik camp as Joe Lieberman

Time's Joe Klein used the term Likudnik to describe Joe Lieberman's hard right, neocon stance on all things Middle East--the Benjamin Natanyahu camp.

It's is tragic that those who show any compassion for the Palestinian people and their situation are so loathed and feared. There are many in Israel who do not feel this way, and are willing to give up land for peace--after all these decades of war and strife, suicide bombings, illegal settlements and apartheid walls to separate these two peoples who deserve far better and whose leadership has failed them.

[rox63]

20. You should tell them that a lot of Obama's biggest backers in his earlier elections were Jewish

One of the few valuable facts I learned from the recent New Yorker article about Obama. (from the issue with the controversial cover)

[ieoeja]

26. Ironically, in Chicago certain African-Americans view Obama as "working for the Jews".

The bulk of his earliest and still longest supporters in politics are Jewish. He could not win in a predominately Black district, losing his run for the House for this reason.

He actually only ended up a Senator because he couldn't get elected to the House! He is not provincial enough for a narrow House district. He needed a broader base. Even as a State Senator from Chicago, he ended up bonding better with his non-Chicago peers for the same reason. His Chicago peers were too parochial in their views. Undoubtedly, so were the country Senators, but he plus the country Senators meant the group had a wider range of issues to discuss.

[grassfed]

32. Hagel not anti-Israel

your friends are idiots

[DesertFlower]

35. they're not idiots.

they are just worried. here's the info on hagel:


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1002001.html

[grassfed]

48. Hagel not anti-Israel

Rosner is a fanatic racist pig

[grassfed]

49. Hagel was the only Senator with the guts to

stand up to Israel's barbaric and sadistic bombing of Lebanon. If your friends aren't idiots, they're hateful liars.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon

"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war. Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets. In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.

The rocket unit commander stated that Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) platforms were heavily used in spite of the fact that they were known to be highly inaccurate. MLRS is a track or tire carried mobile rocket launching platform, capable of firing a very high volume of mostly unguided munitions. The basic rocket fired by the platform is unguided and imprecise, with a range of about 32 kilometers. The rockets are designed to burst into sub-munitions at a planned altitude in order to blanket enemy army and personnel on the ground with smaller explosive rounds. The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.

The cluster rounds which don't detonate on impact, believed by the United Nations to be around 40% of those fired by the IDF in Lebanon, remain on the ground as unexploded munitions, effectively littering the landscape with thousands of land mines which will continue to claim victims long after the war has ended. Because of their high level of failure to detonate, it is believed that there are around 500,000 unexploded munitions on the ground in Lebanon. To date 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by these mines since the end of the war.

According to the commander, in order to compensate for the inaccuracy of the rockets and the inability to strike individual targets precisely, units would "flood" the battlefield with munitions, accounting for the littered and explosive landscape of post-war Lebanon. When his reserve duty came to a close, the commander in question sent a letter to Defense Minister Amir Peretz outlining the use of cluster munitions, a letter which has remained unanswered.

'Excessive injury and unnecessary suffering' It has come to light that IDF soldiers fired phosphorous rounds in order to cause fires in Lebanon. An artillery commander has admitted to seeing trucks loaded with phosphorous rounds on their way to artillery crews in the north of Israel.

[faithfulcitizen]

33. and they hear the name "Hussein" and freak. Some minds you simply cannot change.

[Me.]

6. Another Lieberman

Those two should stop mucking up the name

[jillan]

9. I knew Hillary would support Obama 100%

:)

As she frequently says, the most important thing we as Democrats can do is to elect Barack Obama.

You go girl!

[RNdaSilva]

12. A day late but not a dollar short..

[davidinalameda]

14. I heard a right winger make the same comparison between Obama and Hitler

it was Mike Levin-he's my favorite

Everytime I listen to him, he sounds like he's ready to stroke out

[zbdent]

17. any relation to "Holy Joe" Lieberman, the turncoat?

who probably would have turned in the resistance members to the Nazi party ... because the "leader" was "just" and "right", and defending his nation from the invaders ...

[PatGund]

27. As near as I can tell, no.

Last name is the same, but it doesn't look like they're related.

[Jim Lane]

18. In April, Pope Benedict celebrated Mass in Yankee Stadium.

I wonder if anyone told the Vatican that such "stadium theatrics" are a Nazi-esque move.

The New York Daily News even reported that the Pope appeared "before an ecstatic crowd of 57,000". Uh-oh, attendees were "ecstatic"? This is really cause for alarm.

[Cha]

34. Good point..maybe someone should

ask the jealous lieberman.

[olkaz]

22. So a spokesperson gives a lukewarm rebuke? This is it?

If Hillary herself out-and-out condemned these jackass PUMA's, I'd sing her praises.

But this is pretty weak sauce to me.

[PatGund]

23. It's a start

[JuniperLea]

38. I'm bookmarking this post...

Just to remind you when she does.

[olkaz]

46. When she does...

I will give her a TON of credit. It's going to be hard to do, and I can recognize that. It will show me some serious good faith if she's willing to take them to task.

[JuniperLea]

47. I have faith in her to do the right thing...

And this is the right thing.

Cheers... happy Friday!

[high density]

24. Seems wise to not support efforts by loons that don't realize Obama also had people voting for him

Glad to see she's stating the obvious for the people that take comfort in having the confirmation. The "Obama and Democrats are Nazis for being able to fill a stadium" idea is from Freeperville.

[Ichingcarpenter]

29. I wonder if she was one of those at the meeting with the McCain camp

If she was, then 24 more people need to be called out by Hillary.

[PatGund]

31. Agreed!

I think this is a good start, but I'm afraid it's gotten to the point that Sen. Clinton has to publically denounce these people.

I realize she may be friends with some of them and is trying to let time and healing and her lead sway their minds. The problem is that these people are *hurting* Sen. Clinton politically. Any future political race Sen. Clinton runs, senatorial or presidential, the people she's going to run against are going to point to PUMAs and the "Hillraisers" talking to McCain and go "If you can't even lead your own supporters, how can you lead in the Senate / lead the Free World ???"

She made a good first step. But she needs to make a very strong next step and publically denounce them - or even refund their donations and make it clear these people do NOT represent her or her ideals.

Still, she deserves to be complemented for that first step. I think she'll do the right thing soon and denounce the rest.

[sufrommich]

39. What is she going to "publicly denounce" them for?

Not voting the way she wants them to? SHe has made it perfectly clear that Obama represents her views,publicly berating donors who aren't willing to go along with her would be silly.Do you think Obama would want any media coverage of Hillary pleading with these people to vote for him? What a field day the press would have with that.

[PatGund]

40. Because....

It's gotten to the point that they're doing and saying things in Sen. Clinton's name that go against everything she stands for. And if she does or stays nothing, it's seen as tacit approval.

[sufrommich]

41. Bullshit. She's done and said plenty while campaigning

for Obama,none of it negative,at all.Anyone who seriously believes that Obama wishes she'd publicly dress down this insignificant little group of faux democrats doesn't understand the psychology of campaigns,neither one of them is dumb enough to give them legitimacy where none existed before.And outside the 6 or 7 posters who are constantly calling for her head here on DU,nobody believes she's "tacitly" giving her approval to this band of yahoos.

[Citizen_Penn]

44. You're right

Fruit loops exist.

Anyone still dedicated to a HRC candidacy is frankly, out of touch with reality. Isn't gonna happen - not this cycle.

Those who are deranged enough to consider Hitler and Obama in the same league - are probably insane.


Giving them credibility by responding is foolish. Let 'em twitch in the dark corner they deserve.

[Whisp]

52. said plenty like speeches and rallies don't put food on your table...

o yes it does, millions of dollars of foodstuffs on the Clintons table from Bill's speeches.

omg.
flashbacks are painful for me as well as anyone.

[northernlights]

43. Not necessarily...

A big public announcement makes them headline news for the msm frenzy. Better to deprive them of oxygen and keep the attention Obama's support for the Jewish people that wisely stops short of igniting WW3, and the wide and deep support of Jewish people for Obama.

[Barack_America]

42. It's amazing that so many unbalanced people have so much money. nt

[DangerousRhythm]

45. Thank you, Hillary!

This Lieberman woman is clearly insane... nevermind the other one and her ridiculous Hitler comparisons. I'm glad she's distancing herself from these crazies. :thumbsup:

:dem:

[Whisp]

51. like wow, the best thing she's done so far is distance herself.

sounds familiar to me.

how's that campaigning for Obama going? I haven't heard much but maybe I'm out of the loop.