They shouted Dean down in NC...yelled Dump Dean. Held NoObama signs.

[madfloridian]

They must be so very proud of themselves. Sounds like Dean was gracious, but had his doubts who they were.

Charlotte Observer Campaign tracker..Hillary protesters greet Dean in Charlotte

Around two dozen Hillary Clinton supporters, some carrying signs saying "Dump Dean," attempted to shout down Democratic national chairman Howard Dean during an appearance in Charlotte today.

The protesters, who described themselves as members of a group called "Charlotte Front and Center," shouted and waved signs as Dean spoke to about 150 people at a voter registration rally on West Boulevard. The demonstrators said they were protesting what they said was a decision not to put Clinton's name in nomination at next month's Democratic convention.

Dean was briefly drowned out by shouts such as "I own my vote."

"I'm gonna let these folks shout a little bit because I can't hear you folks," Dean said, pausing his speech for a short time.

"There will be a roll call vote at the convention if Hillary Clinton wants one," he went on. "We all respect each other and we certainly respect Sen. Clinton. This is a unified party. It is not easy to be on the losing side and I know ... because four years ago, I was on the losing side."

Speaking to reporters later on the bus he said: "I'm not sure all of them are Clinton supporters," he said. "I think some of them are having fun at the Democrats' expense. I think shouting through somebody's speech is low-class."

A picture from Yahoo of Dean courteously greeting them.


Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean greets supporters as he reaches toward a Hillary Clinton supporter holding a sign at right during a voter registration event in Raleigh, N.C., Friday, July 25, 2008. Dean is on a Southern bus tour to register voters for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, including Friday stops in Raleigh, Greensboro and Charlotte.
(AP Photo/Gerry Broome)

Yahoo News photos

They must be so very proud of themselves. Bet they are bragging all over their blogs.

This group is called Charlotte front and center.

[Arkana]

1. Let them piss themselves stupid.

Christ, if they're truly Hillary supporters then they are grade-A morons.

[niceypoo]

156. The primaries rage on, in the minds of a few...

...who will never get over them.

The OP is one of the perhaps 10 people left who still post attack threads against Hillary and her supporters.

Pffffffftttt! Some people just are not happy unless they are miserable.

Skinner had it right, so much so that I made it my tagline!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6443683#6444032">"Yes, there are some jerks who refuse to get beyond the primary. But they are a small minority."

[madfloridian]

172. This group won't let us move ahead to elect Obama....

They are constantly doing things like this.

You need to stop accusing me of being in the primaries when they are demanding Hillary be nominated.

Something is so very wrong with that picture.

[sniffa]

187. Just ignore, Ignored

:hi:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

191. there are plenty of bitter Hillary supporters in NC

Its a BIG fact, sad as it is.

I have some dear friends who have been brainwashed by CNN (they don't get their news
from the internet or watch Olberman, the Daily Show or Colbert report).

They live in a rural part of NC, have always been huge Clinton fans (loved Bill, hated what has
happened to our country).

My friend, her mother, her siblings, and probably some of their kids - will not be voting for president.

They believe that Hillary was "robbed", and they also will not vote for Obama
"because he is black."

It sickens me to repeat that, but the friend's mother is in her 80's, has lived in a
predominently white rural area all of her life, so maybe that explains why her
racism still lives on.

The younger generations and those who live in more integrated communities aren't so racist.

And North Carolina has long been a Dixiecrat state, not allocating electoral votes to a democrat since Jimmy Carter.

[dsomuah]

210. And yet Obama is doing better than normal in NC.

Check the polls. NC is a battleground state for the first time in years.

[dothemath]

212. racism

And for those who think Obama's considerable base, mostly made up of new voters and old (enlightened) voters, will outnumber the racists found throughout vox populi are in for a big disappointment.

It is more than sad. Unfortunate, but true.

I suspect the larger-than-normal number of undecided voters have enough racism in them to have joined the ranks of the politically correct, but, in the privacy of the voting booth, will not vote for Obama for one reason and one reason only.

If it is true that one cannot be elected president without carrying 'Dixie', Obama
will not be elected. A real shame, because for too long we have had the business of this country conducted by unelected, wrong-headed, greedy, ..... (stop here - not enough room for a long list) bigoted misanthropes and we may never recover from the next figurehead moron or senile old fool who thinks the USA is a dictatorship.

Pity.

[iconicgnom]

245. I hope and believe that you'll be surprised.

In fact, I don't see this as being so much a racially oriented election as being one regarding fundamental and universal values, and those values transcend race. It's not because of Obama's race that I'm enthusiastic about his run for the White House, it's because I'm sympathetic with his expression of values, and tho' I don't agree on every particular, and sometimes it's grating, my support is reinforced by the support of others who share my values. I see this as being a values oriented election and, in plain language, of the choices given I think the values Obama espouses are the values most definitive of the United States -- and for this reason he'll be elected.

There're other more "pop cutural" factors that underlie my belief -- and to put it in a nutshell, as contrasted with Gore in 2000 (but not the Gore of '07 and '08) and Kerry in '04, Obama knows how to communicate shared values in a way that draws a person into a sense of shared general purpose.

[nikto]

260. Oh, so you mean...

...These are Democrats that are actually racist rightwing Republikkkans.



Kind of like Jewish Nazis or Black KKK members.
Yup.


OK, I understand now.
:)

[PassingFair]

266. Her racism lives on because it is UNCHECKED.

My two kids SLAM my relatives who make racist comments.

One of my Aunts complained to me that my kids were not
RESPECTFUL enough of their elders.

FUCK THAT!!

My kids are BRAVER than I am.

The Aunt that initially complained to me that my kids
weren't "respectful" enough, got an EARFULL from me
about her explicit racism, and how I'd ALWAYS felt about
it, but was too "respectful" to confront....

Guess who's voting for OBAMA in November!!!!

She was forced to defend her emotional positions, and
she couldn't!

[shadowknows69]

174. Which clearly you belong to

[dionysus]

175. so says a resident PUMA...

:rofl:

[nikto]

252. They are not Hillary supporters

I'll bet the whole vile group are rightwing/Dixie-GOPers in-cognito.

Just a dirty trick, for sure.

BS like This is all the GOP has left.

[Name removed]

2. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Sick bastards sucked in by a cult of personality...

So sad...:thumbsdown:

[SwampG8r]

69. as cory glover says

Look in my eyes, what do you see?
the Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you wanna be ohhh…
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality

Neon lights, Nobel Prize
When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set me free

I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V. ohh…
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you; still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three ohh…
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality
the Cult of Personality

Neon lights, Nobel Prize
When a leader speaks, that leader dies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set you free



You gave me fortune, you gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be ohh…
I'm, the, Cult, of, Per, Son, Al, Ity

I am the Cult of
Personality

[Dystopian]

146. Very cool....

Thanks...I still have that tape :yourock:

peace~

[Barack_America]

4. Don't they realize how utterly pathetic they look?

Or don't they care?

Vengeful old biddies. That's exactly how they're coming off. :thumbsdown:

[xxqqqzme]

151. publican party is paying above minimum wage

for this street theatre.

[awoke_in_2003]

182. I think you are right

most of these "Hillary supporters" sure seem to be republican plants to keep the shit stirred up.

edit to add: if they were really Hillary supporters, they would realize she conceded, and is actively supporting Obama.

[Arrowhead2k1]

5. Fucking bitter selfish people.

No time for that shit.

[Island Blue]

6. Hillary must be very proud of her minions.

Obama has a real chance at winning NC, and these asshats just can't handle that fact.

[Arkansas Granny]

19. I rather doubt that, since Hillary is now campaigning for Obama and has

asked her supporters to back him also. Just because they say they are Hillary supporters it doesn't mean that she is in any way affiliated with them.

[burythehatchet]

54. HIllary is campaigning for Obama?????????? What, in her den? Have I missed all the speeches??

Maybe she'll send out a spokesclown to frown upon the PUMA dipshits.

[Arkansas Granny]

58. Apparently you have missed it. She has appeared with him and she

has campaigned for him separately, most recently when she addressed the National Convention of Letter Carriers in Boston on July 21.

As far as PUMA, she is not affiliated with them and even denouncing them would lend them an air of legitimacy that they do not deserve.

[awoke_in_2003]

186. When puma first emerged

the Faux News Network interviewed a male and female puma member. The male claimed that he voted for the democrat (his word) candidate for the last 16 years. Not 30 seconds later, when asked why he would not vote for Obama, he said he didn't like the DNC doing to him what the RNC did to him in 2000. Yeah right, bud, you are a Hillary supporter:sarcasm:

[my3boyz]

193. She isn't working her heart out as she said she would. Once she realized

she was not going to be vp she changed her tune.

[livingon]

255. And what are the other Dem Senators doing? Why put the onus on her? She has been out

campaigning for him. Drop the hate and lets move on.

[my3boyz]

257. Ummmm...perhaps because she is the one that has been repeating

over and over how she would work her heart out for him. I did read today that she is supposed to campaign for him in August. I will reserve judgement on her until then.

[livingon]

269. see this. Sen. Obama needs to tell her where to go..........

Forum Name General Discussion: Presidential
Topic subject Clinton to Hit the Trail for Obama in August
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6546145#6546145
6546145, Clinton to Hit the Trail for Obama in August
Posted by jefferson_dem on Sun Jul-27-08 01:17 PM

Clinton to Hit the Trail for Obama in August



The New York Senator says at a presser on FEMA trailers in Long Island Saturday that the Obama camp is dispatching her to “several” battleground states next month.

“I’m going to leave it to them to announce. I don’t want to in any way get ahead of them. But, you know, I’m doing whatever I’m asked and whatever I can.”

http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/27/clinton-to-hit-the-trail-for-obama-in-august/

[livingon]

62. Apparently you have missed a lot.

[LeFleur1]

165. Ah Come On

We all know Obama doesn't need Hillary or her supporters. Remember how often that was said in the near past?

[yardwork]

86. Very good point. I doubt that these protesters ever plan to vote for Hillary.

This is just an excuse for them to oppose Obama without admitting the real reason, which is that they're racist assholes. Hillary is a convenient excuse for them, nothing more.

[knixphan]

113. My thoughts exactly!

[rosesaylavee]

161. The spelling and grammar on that site is ... um... very telling.

Very poorly done and they obviously are not concerned about proofing what they put up.

:rofl:

[democrattotheend]

213. I agree. These people are not Hillary's fault.

Although I do think she could do more to pressure her top contributors to stop whining to the media about Obama. If they don't want to help him, that's their decision, but they need to stop telling the media they are not helping, and she could probably convince them to shut up if she wanted to.

[LostinVA]

25. That HRC bashing is unneceesary, divisive, and not based on facts

Refighting the Primaries is against DU rules.

[pecwae]

128. Yes, it is, but

Hillary Hate just won't stop.

[burythehatchet]

56. She won't lift a finger to stop it.

[RedShoes]

72. she already did. I guess you haven't been paying attention.

[Chulanowa]

87. I'm with Dean - I don't think these are Clinton supporters

I think this is just an attempt by right-wingers to instigate a circular firing squad among the Democrats again.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are on the same team today. Clinton's supporters during the primaries know this, and they support the candidate, even if they might not be totally happy with it.

But these people are just asshats

[GreenInNC]

153. Most are Hillary supporters, one is a Hillary delegate

I know most of the ones from Charlotte. One of them is a Hillary delegate.

[nikto]

253. I don't believe you, GreenInNC--And now I doubt YOUR validity!

[GreenInNC]

268. What part don't you believe?

The fact that Marc is a Clinton delegate: http://www.ncdp.org/pdf/Elected_Delegate_List.pdf

Or the part about them being Clinton supporters? http://charlottefrontandcenter.com/

[madfloridian]

270. I don't doubt Green's validity at all. Why do you?

[eridani]

111. Her "minions"? 5 gets you 10 that they are from the McSame campaign n/t

[nikto]

259. They are right-wing GOPers, FOR SURE.

Don't believe the lies.

This is a GOP operation.


Help America--Kick a Konservative TODAY.

[NorthCarolina]

124. I doubt these protesters were "real" Clinton supporters

rather I suspect they were GOP activists. I believe based on my observations and discussions that Obama will have little difficulty in capturing NC come November. Obama signs and bumper stickers are everywhere here, and I have yet to see my first McCain sign. I did see a few Hillary signs during the primary season, but haven't seen any lately.

[Turbineguy]

159. If some photos were taken

they may turn up again just like the "grass roots riot" of the 2000 election.

[GreenInNC]

166. they were real Clinton supporters

One is a Clinton delegate

[1Hippiechick]

179. "One is a Clinton delegate." A big THANK YOU for posting this!

:yourock:

edited to add applause and woo hoo

:applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[TheDebbieDee]

7. These are repukes trying to pass themselves off as Hillary

supporters to sow dissension in the Democratic ranks. In fact, a poster in one of the earlier threads checked to see if the leader of this group, a doctor, had even donated to the Clinton campaign this year - she hadn't!

Some of our membership here at DU are so gullible that they will believe and react on everything they see and hear.................

[madfloridian]

8. One of them donated about 800 to Hillary.

I will see if I can find the post.

[newmajority]

23. I don't think they're all repukes. Or at least not ADMITTED repukes.

Some of the push behind this crap is definitely DLC hatred towards Howard Dean. They have attacked him non stop since 2003, and they blame him as much as Obama for keeping their franchise players' "inevitable" return to the White House from becoming a reality.

And as I've pointed out several times, there are direct links between several "PUMA" websites and the pharmaceutical lobby.

[defendandprotect]

96. I agree with your first paragraph totally . . .

I'm not familiar with "PUMA" . . . however???

[keroro gunsou]

118. i'm with

defendandprotect... what is this puma of which y'all speak?

[PatGund]

135. Party Unity My Ass

It's a batch of people who originally claimed to be Clinton supporters. Clinton has denounced them, and they're pretty much generalized Obama hatred.

A good Anti-PUMA website is:

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/

[madfloridian]

26. Here...yes she did donate to Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6539784&mesg_id=6540131

There is another Judith Wish in VA who donated to Obama.

[GreenInNC]

167. I know most of them

Most are Clinton supporters, they have been protesting Obama for months around here and one is a Clinton Delegate to the DNC

[1Hippiechick]

180. "they have been protesting Obama for months around here" a big THANK YOU for posting this!

:applause: :yourock: :woohoo: :headbang:

[Drunken Irishman]

9. I love that photo, Dean just ignores 'em and smiles. :)

[Cha]

14. You have to and some people like Dean

have found the key. I'm too emotional but getting better at controlling it..I really admire Dean and Obama and those who can keep an even keel when faced with gross negligence.

[libnnc]

10. sad sacks of shit

fucking phony brain-dead, selfish assholes

I hate those fucktards

[gateley]

11. Thanks for your support and for representing us so well, fellow Democrats

:sarcasm:

[eleny]

12. "No Obama" is a far cry from "Yes Hillary"

Sounds like Republicans if they tried to disrupt a voter registration rally. It's the Republican thing to do.

[roseBudd]

13. There were all of 8 of them at the Cincinnati meetup, here's a pic with a tombstoned

DUer in attendance.

[Cha]

15. Really! That would

be interesting to put a face to an outta control pizza lover.

[Name removed]

17. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[roseBudd]

18. Here you go I confirmed it by tracing it to the organizer's meetup profile

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/susankh4

I got in the habit of viewing Hillbot profiles. This one was from Cincinnati so I remembered. She joined DU after Super Tuesday & was extremely negative obama hater racking up over 3000 posts in a short time

[Cha]

21. Yeah, I Ignored her

a long time ago..I'll go remove it. Thanks, rosebud..one thing for sure they're not Democrats I don't care how much they protest.

[saracat]

24. Is that Elizabeth Edwards in the front row? if not someone sure bears a striking resemblance to her

The gal in the white shirt with the sunglasses on her head???????? It surely can't be but wow, she looks like her!

[madfloridian]

27. It looks just like her....but couldn't be.

[roseBudd]

34. It was a Panera in Cincinnati, there was a ...

Ciardah (pronounced Kerry Rachel, Diane, Joseph, Miriam, Amy & DUs own susankh now tombstoned

Annabelle took the photo & blogged about it so technically 8 white women and one white man

bitter

[democrattotheend]

36. Who's the tombstoned DUer?

[roseBudd]

126. Back row wearing glasses, joined after Super Tuesday ....

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/susankh4

[Faygo Kid]

147. Which one?

They infested this site, and it was clear they were never going to support the nominee unless it was Hillary.

That's not all Hillary supporters, of course. But there were some who had no place on DU, and I'm glad they have taken their cult elsewhere.

[nikto]

261. I do not care WHO these fakers CLAIM to be...

...I spit on them all,
with no guilt whatsoever.


(Yeah, and it's a real big "loogie", too.)


To the folks in the pic...

Have a nice phlegm, phonies!!
:)

[Cha]

16. Dean looks so cute(shallow I know) in his (Rec'd)

tie and short sleeve shirt being ever so cordial.

[madfloridian]

55. I do agree, zidzi....he is cordial and polite.

[Connonym]

250. Dean is a class act

too bad we can't say that about any of the thieves and murderers currently occupying the White House.

[cliffordu]

20. I'm certainly glad that Hillary will NEVER get the chance to be president now.

Just to piss them off even more.

[Blondiegrrl]

30. They're hurting any future campaign she might wage for president.

They must be so proud.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. I see their truuuuuue colors shinng through......

Fuck them. They're doing a lot for harm then good for the senator from NY.

[madfloridian]

28. Charlotte Front and Center website owner donated a lot to Hillary.

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=redwine&fname=patricia&search=Search

So they may not be Republicans after all.

Tired of this.

[mcg]

243. but not until 4/23/08 which was late in the game,

I find that suspicious.

[madfloridian]

247. There were donations in 1st and 2nd quarter.

About a thousand each if I read it right.

[mcg]

276. I don't see them at opensecrets.org nt

[Blondiegrrl]

29. Howard Dean is a classy guy.

The PUMAs (or whatever they call themselves) succeeded in doing nothing but embarrassing themselves.

[KoKo]

31. Hmph ...."two dozen RW Paid Plants" pretending to be Hillary Supporters ...

"yelled Dump Dean..." Yeah...I'm sure in the land of Virginia Foxx, Liddy Dole, Richard Burr and Patrick McHenry.

But, they forget we have many Great Dems like Rep David Price, Brad Miller and others who are NOT the "plants" paid for by "Religious Right and Chamber of Commerce" who are "Pretenders" at supporting Hillary.

It's strictly Rove Tactics to pin this on Clinton Supports and not the "remnants of the failing Right Wing." :puke:

[madfloridian]

33. Look at the donations.

We have listed several.

They have in many cases donated sizably to Hillary.

Dean says "There will be a roll call vote at the convention if Hillary Clinton wants one," he went on. "We all respect each other and we certainly respect Sen. Clinton. This is a unified party. It is not easy to be on the losing side and I know ... because four years ago, I was on the losing side."

Does she? Or not?

[KoKo]

35. I think the RW/Rove have "latched onto donating to Hillary" to spook us and corrupt us to turn on

ourselves. That's what I think. It fits their "tactics" so far. Why shouldn't they use the Clintons to make us turn on our own. Clinton's are DLC but they sure aren't what Bush/Cheney are.

I think it's best to ignore the Clintons and focus on Obama. Only the RW Murdoch types want to keep this hype going that Hillary and Bill are trying to destroy Dem Party when we know PUMA is Repug and that other folks are just Troll Plants by RW as poseurs as disgruntled Hillary supporters.

It's how the Repugs "outFox" us...every time.

[madfloridian]

42. Two have donated around a thousand.

That's a lot for just pretend.

[yardwork]

88. They donated to Hillary to keep Obama from getting the nomination

but most of them intended to vote for the Republican in the fall. I'm certain of that.

[Arkansas Granny]

123. The fact that they donated to Hillary's campaign is no indicator, by itself, that

these people are Democrats, regardless of the size of their contributions. I am quite certain that both candidates received donations from those who wished to influence the choice of the Democratic nominee, but who never planned on voting for the Democratic nominee in the GE.

Everyone I know who supported Senator Clinton in the primaries has switched their support to Senator Obama. Not one person has even hinted that they would sit the election out or vote for McCain.

[Withywindle]

77. I misread that as "RW Plaid Pants"

Probably that too.

[1Hippiechick]

183. ROFL - I did too! n/t

[madfloridian]

32. Video clip...Vivian Bailey won't get over it...will vote for McCain

Video clip of Dean speaking is first, then the protestors.

http://news14.com/Video/video_pop.aspx?vids=66737&sid=1&rid=94

Second part of the video shows the PUMA signs. Quotes Vivian Bailey.

http://news14.com/Video/video_pop.aspx?vids=66737&sid=1&rid=94

"The women said they were Democrats, but plan to switch their party affiliation to independent if Hilary Clinton is not the Democratic candidate.

"I won't get over it,” explained protester Vivian Bailey. “They say unity? No. It's not going to happen. There are too many people out there that feel the way I feel, the ones here with me today and millions more."

The protestors said in addition to dropping their Democraticaffiliation, they also plan to vote for Republican Sen. John McCain in November."

Article accompanying it:

http://news14.com/Default.aspx?ArID=597711

[KoKo]

37. So...Viviane Baily....do we know she wasn't a Repug all along?

How do we know who the hell she is and that she didn't sign up as Dem in Repugs Clothing to be used as tool by the Repugs she really supports. :shrug:

Why bother with her? :shrug: She's a PLANT...meant to waste our time on. Yeah, I know...I should Google her to find out who she really is...but I get tired of that crap. Her "background as Repug" has already been "wiped out" of Google given that our "internets" are now corrupted like everything else so you won't find much on her without such a deep search it isn't worth the time to post on DU where everything moves off to Archives in an eye wink. Years ago some of us would have caught her out...but why bother, these days. Odds are she's a "clever plant."

[quakerboy]

64. Umm...

Bubye to them. If they think the republicans will open arms and treat them better, then have at. They will be back in 4/8 years when the other side also piss em off.

If they were planning to vote McKinney or write in Hillary(or even Nader), they might have some credibility. But a McCain vote shows it has nothing to do with issues, campaigns, misogyny, or any of the other reasons they love to shout about. Its all about immaturity, control, and personal issues with this fringe. Which is why their new home will make them no happier. And they will follow pattern and run back, yelling "well, I never!" the whole way. The only difference is that the media will ignore it.

[saltpoint]

38. Well. Whatever happened to Southern hospitality when company's due?

Not very neighborly of them.

I would have recommended iced tea and a perfunctory exchange of pleasantries.

[Withywindle]

79. Bless their hearts. n/t

[1Hippiechick]

229. He was hardly "shouted down." Or have you not watched the videos. He was extended Southern

hospitality. A few loudmouth HRC supporters - what else would you expect? And that was in Charlotte - this didn't happen at two other stops in the state. OP is very misleading.

Edited to add link re other stops in NC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6543213

[saltpoint]

249. What I posted applies to the people who acted like jackasses.

I'll stand by the observation.

[polmaven]

39. 48 days

after her withdrawal from the race and we are STILL unable to stop with the Hillary bashing?

Do you think this post was really necessary? I am really beginning to wonder to whom the acronym PUMA really applies more.

GROW UP AND GET OVER IT!

[madfloridian]

40. I am not bashing Hillary at all. I am talking about rude protestors.

It is time for them to stop. Dean was classy, why couldn't they be.

We have two of them listed as large donors to Hillary. Patricia Redwine, and from another thread..Judith Wish.

Did you see what Dean said?

"There will be a roll call vote at the convention if Hillary Clinton wants one," he went on. "We all respect each other and we certainly respect Sen. Clinton. This is a unified party. It is not easy to be on the losing side and I know ... because four years ago, I was on the losing side."

And they are yelling Dump Dean...with signs that say that?

[polmaven]

47. It is really, really time

to focus on electing Senator Obama, not continuing to pay any attention to these idiots. Posts like this do NOTHING for party unity. These jerks are not going to make any difference. LET IT GO!

[madfloridian]

52. No, not when they disrupt like this.

.

[PassingFair]

267. PM me your address, and I'll send you some BLINDERS...

since you don't want to see or hear the facts!

[roseBudd]

127. They remind me of the GOP jerks shouting in front of Kerry with flip flops, same tactics

[mcg]

242. Patricia Redwine registered charlottefrontandcenter.com, didn't donate until 4/23/08

to Clinton. There seems to be a pattern of people donating to Clinton very late in the game, then claiming to be Clinton supporters and setting up web sites that bash Obama, who Clinton is campaigning for, and root for McCain.

[madfloridian]

251. There is a Q1 and Q2 donation.

For different amounts but over 1000

[iconicgnom]

57. yah. 48 days and Dean, Obama and the Dems are still being harassed by those airheads.

I wasn't at all surprised to see the prominent ex-DUer was one of the bunch. It fits my impression. No doubt they're directly handled by McCain's machine, now -- like, cheering when McCain makes it thru' an entire media scrum without having to be prodded awake.

I think it's a good thing for us political junky types who congregate at places like DU and other Dem/progressive sites to be up to date about what these folk who we were so recently interacting with are now doing, working for the election of the Republican leader who stands against everything that we stand for and who stands for everything we despise. Because wow, there's never been any election more black and white after 8 years of Bush. And this regardless of who the Dem nominee is.

And they clearly *want* us to be aware of their doings.

Even if most are like me and can't make any sense of it whatever, maybe (or maybe not) it'll make more sense later, even if not in terms of they being rational agents, "feminists" or whatever -- and in any event it never hurts to be aware of the various "facts on the ground".

[Cha]

73. YOu tell fucking PUMA to get over it.

We're following Dean's journey and this is part of it. Can't stand the heat get outta the kitchen.

[polmaven]

122. PUMA

is not controlled or even populated by Hillary supporters.

For many Hillary Haters right here on this board, however, PUMA could not be a more apporpriate acronym, now, could it?

[Cha]

198. You're too paronoid...not too many hate hillary anymore.

But, we will see what Dean is doing and try to protect him from Perverted Unhinged Mccain A$$holes.

[polmaven]

200. There are enough

for there to still be at least one or more Hillary bashing threads every day.

And those "Perverted Unhinged Mccain A$$holes." are NOT Hillary supporters!

[newmajority]

199. Then why are all the pizza eaters at Capital Hillbot "celebrating" this assault on Dean?

http://capitalhillforum.com/topic/477287/1/#new

[polmaven]

204. Yeah, I'm quite sure

this handful of idiots will make a difference!

I'm sure it is not "all" of the TSd Hillary supporters. The ones who are there were not truly Hillary supporters in the first place. They may have thought they were, but if they were, they would have followed her lead for unity. I proudly supported Senator Clinton during the primaries. I will not let her down now by ignoring her wishes.

Hillary is now an Obama supporter. The vast majority of her supporters are now Obama supporters.

We do Senator Obama no favor by constantly attacking that handful that are acting like jerks. They are doing it to get the attention...there are not enough of them to influence anything. Ignore them and they will go away!

Edited to say...Oh, and by the way...I went to you link, and saw ONE poster I could ID as a former DU member. Of course, I could see only the first page. I was the ONLY person using the site at the time.

[newmajority]

206. There are a lot of them over there.

As I've always said, there is a distinction between "Hillary Supporters" and "Hillbots". You are correct in saying that the Hillary Supporters are now behind the nominee, as is Hillary herself. It is the Hillbots who morphed into PUMAbots. For them, it was never about electing a Democratic nominee to the White House, but some other agenda. Some of them have a warped version of "feminism" that they put above all else. Others are desperate to keep the DLC in power. And there are the pharmaceutical lobbyists involved in some of these "PUMA" sites - I've previously posted the evidence on that one, as have others. And I'm sure that some of them could well be Mush Limpdick Operation KKKhaos trolls, as evidenced by the FAUX Noize radio graphic that I lifted from one of their pages.

But the fact remains that some defend this crap right here on DU. Not defending Hillary, but defending these mutants. Some obvious cases of that in this very thread. And whatever their numbers (though probably small in reality) they are playing right into the hands of Limbaugh, and the CIA thugs like Larry Johnson and the "ReCreate68" crowd, who obviously are planning to start some shit in Denver, which will be blamed on "Democrats" just as 68 was.

And that's when the Bush Crime Family, under Nixon began to solidify their power base. Do we want to see that again, let alone with a 72 year old mental case in charge? :scared:

[madfloridian]

41. They are proud of their Dump Dean signs and No Obama signs. They have pictures up now.

http://www.charlottefrontandcenter.com/index.html

[newmajority]

49. And look what is on that PUMAbot page

Pizza-eaters United for Major Assholery. Sponsored by Rupert Murdoch.

[Danger Mouse]

43. They're Republicans.

[madfloridian]

44. No, not all of them.

.

[Patchuli]

60. They're like the Blue Meanies

from Yellow Submarine!

[GreenInNC]

170. Most are Hillary supporters

I know most of the ones here in Charlotte, one is a Hillary delegate

[nikto]

254. I agree--THEY ARE REPUBLICANS!

[Political Heretic]

45. Never in a million years would I have DREAMED of doing that if Hillary had won. I don't get it.

[polmaven]

119. Because you are not

part of the Rush "Operation Chaos" team. These are 2 dozen people who are getting attention from the MSM as well as from here so there will be a reason to keep the hate alive.

I find it fascinating that the MSM is useless to so many here UNLESS they are bashing Senator Clinton. Then the MSM is absolutely the most reliable source there is.

I have seen that you are among the reasonable people here who know that the primaries are over, and that this handful of MORANS, prodded on by the extreme right, are not HIllary supporters.

Hillary supporters are Democrats. We are now Obama supporters.

The more strident Hillary Haters, however, do not seem capable of understanding that.

[sniffa]

192. I'm so sick of these posts

Hillary Haters
Hillary Haters
Hillary Haters

[1Hippiechick]

184. Me either. n/t

[Peacetrain]

46. Hmmmmmmmm

Makes you wonder what the point of it is, the following of Dean and demanding a roll call.

[Hoof Hearted]

66. I dunno. A roll call maybe?

If these people truly are inconsequential, then they should be ignored, but I can't understand why anyone would be against a roll call. It's tradition.

[AtomicKitten]

110. keep dreaming of a coup

while the rest of the world moves on

[TexasObserver]

112. It's the nominee's decision that counts. He's made his decison. Live with it.

You wrote "I can't understand why anyone would be against a roll call."

Unless this is your first presidential election, you should know that when the nominee is already decided, we (the Democratic Party) defer to the nominee, as the leader we have selected for our party. You also wrote that it is a tradition to have the roll call. NO. It isn't. The tradition to let the nominee run the show, since he's our leader now.

Most intelligent, thinking Democrats understand that our goal is to win in November, not to satisfying the needs of a handful of participants to see their candidate of choice in primary get a head rush.

[newmajority]

201. Maybe because err... certain people think they're going to pull out some kind of Hillary/DLC coup ?

You know anyone like that, Hoofy?

http://capitalhillforum.com/topic/320676/?author=81406

[PatGund]

140. Well....

The PUMA group known as "The Denver Group" were taking newspaper ads out demanding that Sen. Clinton be placed on the convention ballot.

Then Gov. Dean reported that she was ALWAYS going to be on the convention ballot and she had a prime-time speech at the convention.

The Denver Group then said "Oh, ballot doesn't mean she's up for nomination", and asked for MORE donations to get her a roll-call vote.

Except it now seems that the DNC was going to DO a roll-call.

So I don't know how The Denver Group's story are going to change next.

[Phx_Dem]

48. I bet Hillary is really popular

in the Senate right now. :sarcasm:

She wound these nutjobs up and now she's just standing by while they cause disruptions and make fool of themselves and her. Her colleagues in the Senate can't be too happy with her right now. One of the Senators already sent a letter to some of her crazy supporters telling them to STFU. Now this.

[AtomicKitten]

50. I think the delusional state is viral: The attitude, the behavior is surreal.

After waiting eight excruciatingly long years under the worst administration evah it absolutely amazes me that any voter would choose to approach an election like this.



In my opinion, it's an unholy convergence between those addicted to a soap opera, mischievous a-hole Republicans that like to meddle, and "low information" voters with a liberal dash of racism.

I honestly believe, in fact, would be perfectly fine with swapping them out for reasonable and often repentant other party voters. Straight across swap. I admit I have no patience with people that insist on voting against their own self-interests.

K&R! Thanks for reporting on his. No worries: Dean is made of strong stuff plus he's busy winning an election.

[derby378]

51. The FL and MI party apparatchiks broke the rules

Enough said. Hillary fought tooth and nail, but this just wasn't her year.

[madfloridian]

53. The anger and hatred toward Dean was CAUSED by FL and MI.

[Faygo Kid]

148. Say what?

You want to explain that comment?

Florida and Michigan screwed up. That wasn't Dean's fault.

[madfloridian]

158. FL and MI caused the anger....they caused it.

FL Dems spread the anger and hatred here by threatening Dean not to even come to the state. The media loved helping them.

I don't think it was Dean's fault. He stood up for the rules. FL and MI started it...the Clinton campaign "used" the issue...and the rest is history.

That is what started the anger. Dean was their victim...still is

[vaberella]

63. As baby said it was the fault of Florida and Michigan and their officials. Moan and piss

to them not to Dean. If they didn't break the bloody rules nothing would have happened. Further more no one disenfranchised HRC since she said they're votes would not count.

[babylonsister]

59. They are NOT Hillary supporters if they're shouting down Dean. Period. nt

[quakerboy]

61. I note that from the picture

the rest of the people look like they find these poseurs to be funny.

[Breeze54]

65. Dean rocks and these rethugs need to stick it!

He has class! ;)

:kick: & Recommended

[Triana]

67. Those "democrats" or "feminists" or whatever they call themselves...

...really need to get OVER themselves.

[ArkySue]

70. Troglodyte

We've got a generation now who were born with semiequality. They don't know how it was before, so they think, this isn't too bad. We're working. We have our attache' cases and our three piece suits. I get very disgusted with the younger generation of women. We had a torch to pass, and they are just sitting there. They don't realize it can be taken away. Things are going to have to get worse before they join in fighting the battle.~ Erma Bombeck

[Triana]

71. Your ASSumption: wrong. Your petty namecalling: JUVENILE

I am the same age as those women - I am not part of that "younger generation of women" Ms. Bombeck in your quote refers to.

Yet, I still see these actions of these women, their attitudes and their behavior as ASSININE and self-defeating - AND damaging for all other women as well - stupid, and totally illogical and nonsensical. JUST EXACTLY THE EPITOME of what women have been being called by men for ages. Greaaat. They make a bad name for the rest of us and defeat us all in doing so - NOT TO MENTION supporting a mysogenist, woman-hating womanizer Republican in order to "get back" at Obama for winning over Hillary. Did I mention JUVENILE yet?

You might want to get your own mentality out of the First Grade and stop your name-calling. You sound JUST like your little friends there - and I'll say the same thing for you - GET OVER YOURSELF.

PeeEss: GROW THE FUCK UP and get some CLUES

[Name removed]

95. Deleted message

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[madfloridian]

74. I am older than most of those women. They are hurting the cause of women..

in a situation that has nothing to do with women. This is not a feminist issue...it is an issue about seeing what needs to be done and doing it.

It is an issue about accepting loss graciously.

[1Hippiechick]

181. You're basing your assumption on an Erma Bombeck quote?!? She's been dead for 12 years - how old is

your quote?

Sorry, ArkySue, please do some research on feminism, the feminist movement, etc., which has changed over the years.

[ArkySue]

68. Sweet!

n/t

[madfloridian]

75. So arky sue....you approve of those tactics? I should be surprised.

But I am not.

[ArkySue]

93. Perhaps they were tired of being ignored and taken for granted.

"If the elections are free and fair, we will respect the result. If they are not, we will escalate our political struggle even if it means a call to political civil disobedience.”
~ Ayman Nour

[madfloridian]

94. Two states broke the rules for their own benefit.

The Cintons used those two states as tools to get all their delegates. The two states manipulated the voters and the party, then they got manipulated and screwed.

And now all of us are at the mercy of some whiny pumas who don't belive in rules.

They are trying to hurt two men who mean nothing but good for the party.

It all stems from FL and MI, and now ALL OF US are being manipulated.

You must like it and think it is okay. That's sad.

[1Hippiechick]

188. Since when have the elections been fair? Some pretty smart ITs have exposed the fraud being

perpetrated on voters via the electronic voting debacle.

[PatGund]

136. I'm Not Surprised in the least

Arky Sue is pretty much completely out of the closet as a PUMA (or PUMA sympathizer) over on the WesPAC CCN blog.

Not to mention being one of the one's there that are trying to drive away Clarkies that support Obama and turn CCN into another PUMA echo chamber, (Yes, I know Gen. Clark supports Obama. That doesn't change the very loud PUMA types on his community blog)

[windbreeze]

89. interesting....n/t

[TexasObserver]

115. So, you're agreeing with the protestors shouting insults at Howard Dean?

He's the DNC chair, appearing in his official capacity, being heckled by renegades who are now supporting John McCain for president.

You are violating the rules of DU, which provide that you may not work against the party and its nominees. You are not supporting dialog within the party. You are supporting McCain for president by supporting this kind of action by his minions against the Democratic party.

Maybe you should join them at their Hate Obama sites. You certainly are not supporting our party here, are you?

[Name removed]

137. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[newmajority]

203. Yeah... really "sweet". I'm sure Grandpa McLoon thinks so.

Clearly this poster supports the efforts of Pizza-eaters United for Moronic Assholery, and opposes the Democratic party. Why is she allowed to remain here?

[SwampG8r]

76. the truely sad thing is

they no more represent hillary or are represented by her than i do
her own cries of sexism late in the primaries ,when she was behind,are what these tired and bitter women and men are clinging to

i wih she would make the news rounds on one day and refute them all
she has already
but they get too much coverage for us all to say they arent making their point and because the MSM keeps dishing this up it is in her own best interests to quash it

[mnhtnbb]

78. Howard Dean is adored by progressive NC Dems. Undoubtedly

these are old school Dems--not the new Dems of NC. Our State Dem Party Chair, Jerry Meeks,
comes from the Deaniac wing of the Dem party which now controls the state party.

Please remember that in the NC primary Obama trounced Hillary--even after Gov Easley came out
to endorse and campaign with Hillary. Easley has since gotten on the Obama bandwagon.

[madfloridian]

80. Meeks is a good guy.

He has worked hard for change.

[elkston]

81. Jerry Meeks is cool. I grew up in Fayetteville, NC in the 1980s ...

and attended a lot of Teen Democrats meetings at his house. He was full of passion then and I had a sense there were big things in his future.

[GreenInNC]

171. Changed parties in part because of Dean and Meek

I was a national co-chair of the Green Party and switched back to the Dems in 2005 after being gone for 19 years because of Dean and Meek. I felt my voice would be heard and my issues acted on and I am glad I did.

[dionysus]

177. cool!

:thumbsup:

[1Hippiechick]

189. "Please remember that in the NC primary Obama trounced Hillary" - Thank you for this post!--

[and-justice-for-all]

82. I do not think they are Dems...

planted rethugs trying to cause a scene.

If they are real HRC folks, they need to give it a rest.

[World Citizen]

83. They are Rush Limbaugh trolls.

Rush is anti-democracy and therefore unamerican.

[The Backlash Cometh]

84. Hang in there, Dean!

[Psyop Samurai]

85. This is an operation that intends to disrupt to no legitimate end whatsoever...

...and I think it wise to keep an eye on it, regardless of how marginal or insignificant it may seem.

As to its true genesis, it appears to have "Republican dirty tricks" written all over it, but I couldn't swear that that precludes any DLC-type shenanigans, or the "genuine" participation of useful idiots.

I respect people who choose to vote 3rd party for legitimate reasons... I may not agree, but I respect it. But this is some kind of op, not a legitimate political movement.

[madfloridian]

90. Lanny Davis to be on Puma radio soon.

http://redhotandbluepolitics.com/2008/07/25/puma-radio-lanny-davis/

So I guess the Clintons are aware of this movement. Must be.

[niceypoo]

157. I feel so sorry for you...

...forever stuck in the past...

[madfloridian]

164. Why is Lanny Davis going on their radio?

I want to move on to the future with Obama as president. This group is hurting us all.

[EFerrari]

91. How embarrassing for them to heckle the most effective Democrat we've had

in forty odd years.

lol

[defendandprotect]

98. Exactly . . . and it makes little sense -- are they voting for McCain...???!!!

[concerned canadian]

92. Hillary Clinton has an obligation to publicly distance herself

from such groups and their agenda. She has affirmed her commitment to Obama and to get him elected

in November and urged her supporters to do the same, while cautioning anyone who is considering voting

for McCain to refrain from doing so. Yet this nonsense 'Hillary for VP or else' fake feminist farting in a windstorm

only serves to cast suspicion on (what can easily be perceived as) Hillary's 'silent consent' to such tawdry shenanigans.

[truthisfreedom]

97. EXACTLY. It's time for all of us to get on the horn and demand it.Someone please post her office #!

[Historic NY]

99. Hillary better get out there and repudiate these PUMA asshats.........

I live in NY and enough is enough....if she can't knock this down then she isn't worth supporting. Then again we know the fat pimple ass is probably behind this too.

[Historic NY]

100. Hillary better get out there and repudiate these PUMA asshats.........

I live in NY and enough is enough....if she can't knock this down then she isn't worth supporting. Then again we know the fat pimple ass is probably behind this too.

[Historic NY]

101. Hillary better get out there and repudiate these PUMA asshats.........

I live in NY and enough is enough....if she can't knock this down then she isn't worth supporting. Then again we know the fat pimple ass is probably behind this too.

[thenext8seconds]

102. look at this dumb poster that they made

bunch of crazies

<img src="">

LAME

[thenext8seconds]

103. look at this dumb poster that they made

bunch of crazies



LAME


*EDIT*

............okay my bad. i'm a new user here. guess didn't know i couldn't you pictures from photobucket.

and beyond that, i double posted because my internet was being dumb.

and beyond that, why can't i just delete these useless posts??????

[1Hippiechick]

190. You could have gone back in to edit, erased, and then typed in "self-delete" w/an explanation

As far as the photobucket, choose the IMG option (last one of the four choices, I think).

And, anytime you post, click the "Preview" radio button to see if your post is correct. That's when you will know if your photobucket choice was correct or not and you will have time to correct it, preview it for accuracy, and then post.

And, welcome to DU!

[AZBlue]

104. So basically they are for the end of abortion, more wars and an even worse economy.

Stupid asses.

[Hekate]

105. Stinks of Karl Rove. Why do we, who should know better, keep calling them Dems?

Just because they claim they are, doesn't mean they are.

Hekate

[backscatter712]

106. I seriously doubt these are Hillary supporters.

It was a long and messy primary season, but Hillary did bow out, make some joint appearances with Obama, and Obama reciprocated by holding some fundraisers and soliciting donations to pay down Hillary's debts.

These PUMA types sound like Repug trolls to me. Nobody I've talked to who votes Democratic takes the PUMA thing seriously.

[tucsonlib]

107. The Elephant on the Home Page...

Visit Charlotte Front and Center and there, with one click of your mouse, you can link onto a live feed of....(wait for it).....Fox News Radio!
I figure the members of this group fall into three categories: Some are Republican dirty-tricksters so desperate they'll try anything to get Clinton on the ballot; A few are misguided female chauvinists; The rest are just racist yahoos.

[sasquatch]

108. What is it with these people?

:shrug:

[TexasObserver]

109. Nationwide, a handful of psychotics who once supported Hillary are being noisy.

They're not really exemplary of any Hillary supporter. Rather, they just happen to be nuts who supported Hillary at one time, for some combination of reasons. They're clearly not mentally or emotionally sound.

I don't think their activities mean anything, other than this is the moment in their lives when their trip from sanity to insanity was completed.

Of the 18 million who voted for Hillary, you couldn't find 500 like these nuts nationwide. That's statistically insignificant.

[LaurenG]

114. PUMAs are behind the biggest delusion of the time

PUMA's are not dems, period. They are bratty little republicans screaming because they don't like either candidate. Big deal. Dean is a good man which is much more than I can say about the pumas.

[Aviation Pro]

116. My theory....

...these are not Hillary supporters, but just a bunch of Republicant dead-enders.

[desktop]

117. This group is ran by former CIA intelligence officer under BUSH senior

Larry Johnson is the guy behind this fake Hillary group. He is pro war, and pro republican party. He specializes in propaganda an deception. They take advertising money from FOXnews. I have every belief from reading through this guys background that he supports John McCain for president. These people are not representative of Hillary supporters nor of Hillary herself. It is a well financed campaign to hurt Obamas campaign. Wake up people, the GOP is at work here. It's clear as day.

[livingon]

130. You have some misinformation. Have you read the OP and madfloridian's

posts on this thread?

[PatGund]

138. Larry Johnson is a PUMA....

And his "NoQuarter" site used to be good before his mental breakdown and it became wingnut central

But I don't think Mr. Flowbee is behind PUMA as a whole.

[AllentownJake]

120. Fuck the Pot Banging PUMAs

2 dozen in Charlotte...and they are a threat?

[JNelson6563]

121. Dean, a class act.

I like that he tried to show them respect in case some of them actually were Hillary supporters. I'm also glad he mentioned that perhaps they really weren't.

Take it to 'em Howard! :toast:

Julie

[nc4bo]

125. My op got deleted for whatever reason.........

so let's try this again.

More needs to be done to disassociate these people from the Democratic party. They show up at a very public democratic voter registration drive spewing nonsense then by golly they need a smackdown.

Their behavior is disgraceful, inexcusable and just plain IGNORENT (yea I spelled it wrong).

[1Hippiechick]

169. I can tell you probably why your post got deleted.....in a PM

[BeyondGeography]

129. This isn't Hillary's fault, but it's another reason why I would never support her over others

in 2012 should Obama fail in 2008. It's petty, and there are many other objections I have about Hillary, but I also wouldn't want to give bitter, entitled people like this (and there are many more like them) the slightest satisfaction.

[iamthebandfanman]

131. glad they didnt call them democrats

just 'hillary supporters' ... cause democrats they are not.

sorry, but when you use republican slogans like 'dean the scream' i think it truely shows who you represent.

it must be pretty crazy... feeling so bitter and yet so full of yourself. people need to drop their egos.

whats crazy is these are the people who had the nerve to call obama supporters zombies! lol!

[Name removed]

132. Deleted message

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[nc4bo]

133. Thanks - I think I'll drop Patricia Red-whiner a little love note. nt

[Marrah_G]

185. This sort of thing is dangerous.

I realize this person has a very different viewpoint then us, but posting home addresses can lead to violence. I hope the mods delete this post.

How would you feel if your home address was posted on FR? Would you feel safe?

This is not who we are. We are better then this.

[Irishonly]

134. Those people are disgusting

I have my doubts whether they are Democrats or Hillary supporters although I know a few so-called liberals almost as vile. They refuse to get off the primary and talk about Obama like he is the worst thing that ever happened to the democratic party. They shocked and disgusted me.

[DevonRex]

139. Dean has it right. Probably most are really repukes trying to

create havoc. They're sickening.

[live love laugh]

144. BINGO! nt

[Faygo Kid]

141. I can't believe this thread is allowed on DU. Stunning.

Some of us have seen this phenomenon for the genuine Swift Boat threat that it is, but to identify it as something that should be discussed and dealt with is verboten here at DU.

Speaking of swift, if experience is any indication, the "they don't count and have every right to their opinion" club is poised to quell all discussion, as usual.

[madfloridian]

149. Actually, Lanny Davis is on PUMA radio tomorrow. Why?

He is close to the Clintons. If he is on their radio, then it is better known that we supposed.

http://redhotandbluepolitics.com/2008/07/25/puma-radio-lanny-davis/

[Faygo Kid]

163. Thanks for your posts on this.

Much appreciated.

[cadmium]

142. Probably mostly Repub. plants I am glad

that Dems are getting hip to this stuff. I think the internet has helped since we have gotten used to sniffing out trolls.

[Faygo Kid]

143. By the way, Lyndon LaRouche is behind much of this.

His cultists are all over the PUMA sites. Sickening. For example:

LaRouche Denounces DNC Treachery, Calls on Hillary Clinton To Take the Fight for the Nation to Denver

Lyndon LaRouche today denounced Democratic National Committee Chairman and George Soros/London stooge Howard "Scream" Dean, for conducting a flagrantly fraudulent operation, against the vital interests of the United States and civilization as a whole. By steering the Democratic Party Rules Committee to take the fraudulent action of literally stealing Hillary Clinton delegates in Michigan and Florida, and disenfranchising millions of citizens of equal representation, in order to impose a loser candidate, Barack Obama, on the Democratic Party, against the will of the American people, Dean has shown his true colors. . .

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2008/lar_pac/080602lar_denounces_dnc.html

[Psyop Samurai]

150. Oh boy... had a feeling this rabbit hole went deeper... now confirmed. nt

[livingon]

202. What is your evidence of that? You find an old article and make up stuff.

[Faygo Kid]

215. Welcome to DU.

Go to hillaryclintonforum.net. They post LaRouche stuff all the time.

That's hardly an "old article." Just a representative one.

[madfloridian]

221. LaRouche supporters have been in on much harassment of Democrats

They were taking part in the protest by Hillary folks at the DNC in April. Very loud and very rude and offensive, and some of them were in on it.

There is often stuff quoted from LaRouche's site by these folks of Puma.

I save some of the links...looking for them now.

[2Design]

145. these are the purple band aid groups - not true democrats n/t

[valerief]

152. Two dozen? Who cares about two dozen protesters? Sheesh. nt

[Danieljay]

154. and they have a link to FOX News Radio on their site... ummm are they really Clinton

supporters? Or are they trying to make a fuss at the expense of Democrats, like Dean said.

Ya gotta wonder.

[madfloridian]

155. Lanny Davis to be on Puma radio tomorrow

http://redhotandbluepolitics.com/2008/07/25/puma-radio-lanny-davis/

So somebody in the Clinton campaign knows about these folks for sure.

[Faygo Kid]

160. Time to take the blinders off here at DU.

Thanks for the link.

[madfloridian]

162. Follow this link to their own pictures of themselves. Bragging.

http://www.charlottefrontandcenter.com/index.html

I see one poster in this thread from NC knows some of them and says they are Democrats.

We need to stop being afraid of this topic and understand it is going to haunt the convention itself.

And ask yourself why Lanny Davis is on Puma radio tomorrow.

http://redhotandbluepolitics.com/2008/07/25/puma-radio-lanny-davis/

[1Hippiechick]

168. Not all of NC - Dean warmly welcomed and cheered at other stops in NC

Title of your post is very misleading since he made multiple stops in NC. Shame on you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6543213

[madfloridian]

173. No shame on me at all. This should not be happening.

[wisteria]

176. Sore losers. n/t

[BryMan]

178. I've noticed something glaring on that site

They use stories gleaned from Faux Snooze, and Glen Beck. They are not forward thinkers folks, they are status quo/ scared fool type voters. All white, mostly angry women that are probably frightened by the "scary black man" they are seeing the Democratic masses cheer on. They don't admit it but I think they are running on fear of his color which is nothing more than whats been instilled in them by those local TV news reports of murders with the black man being hauled away over and over. Thank you american media you have programmed many of us into stupidity.

[Beacool]

194. I'm amused by some of the comments.

It is so hard to believe that some Democrats don't approve of Dean and how he conducted himself during the primaries? It is also so hard to believe that there are still groups of Hillary supporters who are not happy about it?

It's a democracy, remember? These people have a right to protest just as much as anyone else. So, doubting whether they are even Democrats is not exactly seeing reality. Face it, Obama will get the vote of most of Hillary's supporters, but he won't win them all over and that's that.

:eyes:

[madfloridian]

195. Whoa...did you just say "how he conducted himself during the primaries"?

Oops...

He conducted himself just fine, thank you. He followed the rules that two states broke and one candidate used to her advantage.

He conducted himself as chairman when a major candidate's supporters were humiliating him in public.

Yes, they have a perfect right to look very foolish. It is part of being an American.

[newmajority]

207. You know how these DLC'ers think.

They have hated Howard Dean since March 15, 2003 (if not before then) and they just don't know how to stop.

What I want to know is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting the President’s unilateral intervention in Iraq?

What I want to know is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting tax cuts, which have bankrupted this country and given us the largest deficit in the history of the United States?

What I want to know is why the Congress is fighting over the patient’s bill of rights? The patient’s bill of rights is a good bill, but not one more person gets health insurance and it’s not 5 cents cheaper.

What I want to know is why the Democrats in Congress aren’t standing up for us joining every other industrialized country on the face of the Earth and having health insurance for every man, woman and child in America.

What I want to know is why so many folks in Congress are voting for the President’s Educations Bill “The No School Board Left Standing Bill” the largest un-funded mandate in the history of our educational system!

He called out those spineless fake Democrats from the beginning, and they never got over it.

[Kittycat]

196. She lost. Get over it - or go to Free Republic and support McShitHisPants

[Beacool]

197. Hmmm, no, I don't think so.

I'm no PUMA, but believe in freedom of expression. Don't you?

[penndragon69]

205. baROCKIN the USA

[davidnc76]

208. This was the NC GOP

Trust me. I live here. This is from the Jesse Helms low class playbook. These folks are classless individuals.

[madfloridian]

211. Nice try, but not true.

Sorry.

[GreenInNC]

223. Most were Hillary supporters

I know most of these people and one is a Hillary delegate.

[davidnc76]

274. Hmmm

I still dont believe that they were "Hillary" supporters.

[dsomuah]

209. Two dozen??? And they think they are a force to be reckoned with?

[1Hippiechick]

227. That was my problem with the post - it was one stop; it wasn't like that at the other stops -

That's why I originally posted that I thought the title of the post was misleading - I should have said VERY misleading - starting to remind me of the sensational tactics that MSM uses, and I hate to see that here in DU, of all places - I depend on the internet and blogs/links for balanced information.

[madfloridian]

230. No hype. It is hurting our party, and they need to stop it.

Hillary needs to step up and have some chats with them.

They are making us all look bad.

It is time we started pretending it is something we can ignore.

They insulted the chairman, thus they insulted the rest of us.

[dothemath]

214. Time for Clinton stop pouting ...............

It is time for H. Clinton to start making some noise reflecting her support for Obama. It might help if she swallows her pride and acts more like a good loser and less like a surly, withdrawn, bitter loser.

Come on, Mrs. Clinton, get with the program. Tell Bill to keep his mouth shut if he
is not willing to help - and start working for the only would-be leader of this country who has a chance to get the USA on the right track for the first time in a long time.

By the way, I am an old, white, southern geezer and a veteran.
Any questions?

[livingon]

219. you obviously do not keep up to date on the news. Sen. Clinton HAS campaigned

for Sen. Obama.

[TexasObserver]

216. They are not Hillary supporters and they're sponsored by the GOP.

Hillary supporters do as Hillary has done. Hillary was most gracious in conceding. She did as she had to do, and I salute her for it. As in past primary processes, this is the time we unite as a party behind our candidate. Anyone who jumps ship and supports the GOP is not a Democrat any more. They have gone over to the other side, and should be treated as such.

This tiny rabble that showed up to heckle Dean may have some former Hillary supporters among them, but they're part of a well funded GOP dirty tricks action.

[Ajaye]

217. Charlotte Front and Center

I don't know these people personally. I don't know what their true agenda is, what is in their hearts. I can't call them Republican agitators or sabateurs. I can't call them racists or female chauvinists. I can't call them control freaks who can't get over losing.

I just don't know. The PUMA "movement" probably consists of a broader range of people than we want to imagine, but the polls show that we don't need them to win, so I believe that we should just ignore and keep our eyes on the prize. The thing that they all have in commmon, it seems to me, is that they are more invested in pulling down Obama than in truly honoring McCain, or Hillary Clinton. I can only speak for myself, but I believe we have won the battle because we have a candidate we truly believe in, who represents ideals we truly believe in. These people, whoever they are, and whatever their agenda, seem unable to articulate any positive reason for not voting for Obama, other than some irrational sense of grievance. In order to vote for McCain or simply sit out this election, must resort to very heavy duty rationalization. If indeed they are Clinton loyalists, who still see themselves as true Democrats, they are truly dishonoring her. By consorting with the right wing noise machine and repeating Republican Talking Points about Obama, they are discrediting themselves and will not find many sympathetic ears in the Democratic party.

I do not believe that we who remain committed to the Democratic Party and its ideals, as represented by both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama should allow ourselves to be drawn into fear, hatred, despair, annoyance, confusion, paranoia or disillusionment by the actions of a few people, whoever they purport to be.

I would call on those of you who want to turn the actions of these people into an opportunity to bash Hillary Clinton to squelch that urge, as it only serves to alienate those people who did support her. If indeed, the intelligence and energy underlying the PUMA movement is to create disharmony in our party, we cannot allow it to happen. I believe that while Hillary was ambitious to the point of crossing some lines of party loyalty, she is not Eva Peron. She is a dedicated Democrat and we owe her a debt of gratitude for toughening up Obama for the general election. She will continue to support our ideals in the Senate and press for the Democratic agenda.

Peace and real party unity. Obama '08. It is ours to lose, let's stay focused on winning.

[Faygo Kid]

218. Well said. But this has not played itself out just yet.

I question whether it's wise to "ignore" these groups.

That didn't work with the Swift Boaters. Their intent is to disrupt the convention, and they have the numbers to do it. These people need a strong, loud, unequivocal rejection from Hillary, and I have not yet seen it. She needs to do more. This is not going away.

I hope you're right, but I'm at least glad that DU is finally allowing some discussion of this phenomenon. Sunlight is a good disinfectant.

[madfloridian]

220. You make some good points.

The swiftboaters never went away...no matter how much they were ignored.

:hi:

[Whisp]

256. plus, if the media hypes this up to more than it is... it is.

That may well bring some reasonable Hillary supporters over to their dark side thinking there is some kind of chance for her nom or some kind of funny business that prevented it.

I can see CNN carrying this nonstory ad nauseum and making a story out of what should be nothing. We all know they do that. Definitely should not be ignored - especially with that rodent Lanny Davis in the mix.

[Historic NY]

233. Welcome to DU Ajaye.....

[madfloridian]

240. Your post is nice, and I partly agree. But what she put FL through was shameful

We have been alienated from each other where I live, even our DFA group was affected when sides were taken.

FL and MI started it by being greedy...then her campaign saw an opportunity looming and tried to claim the delegates. Wrong.

This Puma stuff is a direct result of all the FL shenanigans, and MI stuff as well.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

She used FL and MI as tools, and the anger began to build. Many of her supporters could not get past it...and then others with other goals got involved.

They made Dean the scapegoat, just as he is today.

[madfloridian]

222. On the Charlotte Front and Center blog, they are ridiculing Dean

It is just pathetic, and it is childish. This post is by redwine...the one who appears to own the site. There is a Marc who apparently contributed...is he the Clinton delegate?

This is just plain ridicule...the tactics of bullies.

http://helpmejoseph.typepad.com/charlotte_front_and_cente/2008/07/deans-traveling.html

http://helpmejoseph.typepad.com/charlotte_front_and_cente/2008/07/dean-calls-char.html

http://helpmejoseph.typepad.com/charlotte_front_and_cente/

I feel sick when I read this stuff. I would like to think Democrats had more class than this and more caring for one another.

It took guts for Dean to go to some of these places, and the rudeness is sickening.

I never took up for my state when they told the chairman not to come here. Florida was rude and tasteless, and so is this stuff.

[GreenInNC]

224. Clinton Delegate

Yes, it is Marc.

[madfloridian]

225. Thank you.

I am trying to find the link to his blog.

[GreenInNC]

226. his blog

http://marcsmusing.blogspot.com/

[madfloridian]

228. It is insulting they are calling it "The Howard Dean Traveling Road Show"

It is pouty and childish and shows no feeling of what we must do as a party.

Thanks for the link....he is quite loyal to Hillary, isn't he.

Those who tell us this will fade away may need to think again.

[GreenInNC]

232. relying on rumor

One the things that gets me about this group is that they admit that the Clinton campaign is not talking to them therefore they have to rely on rumors.

Maybe that should show them that the campaign does not approve of what they are doing and they are only hurting their cause.

[newmajority]

241. I can accept that Hillary herself is not talking to them.

But what the Hell is Lanny Davis doing on one of their shitty internet "radio" shows?? Are other known Clintonistas feeding these shit for brains "PUMAs" and if so, to what purpose?

[newmajority]

234. Geezus... get a load of this cowardly piece of shit "Marc"

....I can honestly say that Dean's face turned red and he faced us at one point to yell once again that we needed to give him a chance to speak and then he would give us a chance. No such deal. Dean stayed away from us and never looked our way again. The police did not let us cross the sidewalk, but that was not an issue for us. The Obama supporters were surprised to see us, and at first yelled "unity" in unison. We yelled back "Puma" and chanted: "Selected...Not Elected!!"

Now does that remind you of anything?

[madfloridian]

235. That Marc is a Clinton delegate.

They are flat out ridiculing Dean.

[newmajority]

239. If I was on the credentials committee, he wouldn't be one anymore

Piece of shit wants to work to defeat this party, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Denver.

[tucsonlib]

238. The Elephant on the Home Page...

Visit Charlotte Front and Center and there, with one click of your mouse, you can link onto a live feed of....(wait for it).....Fox News Radio!
I figure the members of this group fall into three categories: Most are Republican dirty-tricksters so desperate they'll try anything to get Clinton on the ballot; A few are misguided female chauvinists; The rest are just racist yahoos.

[nikto]

264. Too bad we don't still have General Sherman to SEND BACK to NC!!

Well, NC's resistance to Sherman was described as "light" in the history books.

NC KKKonfederates are just pussies anyway.

They were in the 1860s;They are now.



NC's Konfederates--All they know how to do is snivel and CHEAT.



(NOTE: This does NOT at all apply to NC's true Liberal/Progressives,
of which, there are at least SOME.)

[The Wizard]

231. PUMA and the rest

of the anti Obama fringe element have Rove's finger prints all over them. This is typical of the Mayberry Machiavellis. There are still some Hillary backers who believe if they stir up enough shit Hillary will be named the nominee at the convention. By and large this is a Ku Klux Karl operation. Unfortunately, Rove can't even be investigated with Bush having pardon power.
If they steal another election we have to be willing to march on Washington in numbers never seen before so as to bring the nation's capitol to a standstill.

[AzDar]

236. These people AREN'T Democrats.

[madfloridian]

237. Yes, many of them are for sure.

We have looked up their donations. And yes, one is a Clinton delegate.

Not all, but many are Democrats.

[iconicgnom]

244. Correct. I followed some links from their site and did some googling.

Not all that much but enough to confirm that some of these and their allies are not only Dems, but quite activist in the sense of being (ex?) members of Dem executives, etc. On the other hand, of course they're all R's now, working with the McCain campaign.

Frankly, I find this quite amazing! I'll explain. First, the fact that they all come from the ranks of one failed candidate's supporters, and that candidate is the wife of a Dem ex-POTUS, so there's HUGELY raised expectations. Second, even a cursory glance thru' a few of the links on this site (link in OP) shows that these people aren't just strong supporters of McCain, but virulently hateful of Obama and his message to a degree that's clamoring to reach new extremes. Just effing unbelievable, when I consider factor #1.

Of course it's good to know whom amongst these held this or that however minor position in the Dem party, when they do their media splashes, or their Dem convention splash.

[madfloridian]

246. I just read an article that tells about a dust-up they had with a council member

in one city, maybe Raleigh. I did not save it, can't find it now.

She talked to them nicely, they got rude, and she got cross with them.

It really isn't funny anymore...and that Marc guy shouldn't be allowed at convention.

[lenegal]

248. Idiots...................

I used to read General Clark's CCN Blog, but I refuse to because of the infighting going on there because of Hillary's loss. People who blogged for years with each other, now hate each other because differences of opinions?

That is insanity. The same goes for the F**ktards in this article.

I was on the fence about Obama and Hilary, but was a bit annoyed regarding how Bill and Hil campaigned toward the end....I am a big Bill fan.

Assholes, all of them.

[barack the house]

258. We can't afford to get mad a PUMA just work harder for more votes folks.

[mzmolly]

262. I agree with Dean "I'm not sure all of them are Clinton supporters...."

I am reminded of the "angry voters" trying to stop the recount after election 2000. We all know who was actually behind that, today.

:hi:

[madfloridian]

263. Trouble is....many are her supporters. One is a delegate.

There may be just a few of them, but the media loves them and gives them attention.

[mzmolly]

265. Oh I don't doubt a few are, but it's a very small few as you mention.

Thankfully. I have to say personally, I have an issue with some of these people as well, but I'm trying to keep perspective.

[FreedomRain]

271. They just made Dean look pretty cool.

I think it's clear this is a psyop. There probably are a few people who think it's the right thing to do, but it really does have all the classic Rove-y touches, down to the mispellings. These folks believe they are on a HOLY mission, they absolutely will not hesitate to lie, cheat, steal, or torture in the service of "the greater good." What's a donation of a few $1000 as part of their cover?
Honestly, if you really liked Clinton, AND thought she got some kind of raw deal, AND thought a protest vote was more important than settling for 2nd best, wouldn't you just vote for Nader or McKinney?

[SunDrop23]

272. Fortunately not all of us from NC are jack asses. (n/t)

[madfloridian]

273. Nor are all of us from FL are fools, either. I have family NC, they are great.

Republican, but great nonetheless. :hi:

[drm604]

275. Charlotte Front and Center. Who are they?

At the bottom left of their front page, they have a link to Fox News radio. :eyes:

If that doesn't tell you enough, look at the source for their front page. Specifically, look at the meta tags in the header section. I've highlighted the most interesting parts.

<meta name="description" content="Hillary Supporters protesting the selection of Obama by the DNC. Moderate politics in Charlotte, N.C.">
<meta name="keywords" content="Hillary,Hillary supporters,Charlotte and Hillary,Hillary and DNC,Puma,Clinton Democrats,Hillary Blogs,Democratic politics, Hillary and McCain,Clinton,Independents and Hillary, feminine vote,Clintons for McCain, Protest DNC">

For the less technically oriented, I should explain that the purpose of the "keywords" meta tag is to give search engines (Google, Yahoo, etc.) suggestions on what the page is about and how it should be indexed. The presence of the McCain phrases tells you that they're trying to attract visitors who search on those and similar phrases. They are apparently trying to attract Hillary supporters who now support McCain.

[zulchzulu]

277. PUMA = Predictably Unintelligent Moronic Assholes n/t