How can I argue against outsourcing when most of Teresa's wealth

[napi21]

is in her Heinz investment?

Don't get all excited! I support Kerry, and lived in Pgh for 47 years, so I support the Heinz Corp too.

I have received quite a few emails from relatives (mostly military) complaining that Kerry can't be telling the truth about being against outsourcing when he won't condem Heinz for all their overseas factories. I've already done the "Teresa doesn't have controling interest in Heinz, and most of the Heinz foreign opertions are located either close to their product sources or customer base, but I got another flurry of these emails this morning. Here's a copy:

.....Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened. However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush. As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country because he is not the owner of a single factory.
>
>That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerry's own 32 factories in
Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also,
>they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean. 80% of Heinz products are made overseas. I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries. I also wonder if
> the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United States. Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does he not demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner? If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories and bring all those jobs back to America?
>
> Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor

[mhr]

1. Food Factories Are Almost Always Located Close To Local Food Sources

For another model look at Nestle.

They have factories all over the world to supply the local markets.

[papau]

14. Exactly - it is not outsourcing - does not come from closing down US jobs

n/t

[Killarney]

2. It's on Snopes.

[union_maid]

4. Link on Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

[Gore1FL]

3. No need to argue -- It is bullshit

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

[imax2268]

5. that's a load of crap...

go to snopes.com and look under politics, John Kerry...and it will have an explanation about this...

As much as this has been debunked...it still amazes me that the righties are still trying to hold on to that argument...it's crap...

[DenverDem]

6. Complete bull shit.

Factories in other countries make food for distribution in other countries. You can't ship tomatoes from Asia to make ketchup here, then ship the ketchup back to Asia. No food stuffs made in Asia are shipped back here.

Where did the publican talking points quotation come from?

Stop pushing busholini propaganda here.

[vicman]

7. A-freaking-men!

She's been mostly disinvested from Heinz for many years now. Mainly just runs the charities. Why is it that EVERY word that comes out of a Repub's mouth a bald-assed lie?

[Lerkfish]

18. because they love lies....they love to hear them, they love to tell them..

they even love to believe their own lies they just made up.

It's freakingestunbelievablingestfantabulous!

[ET Awful]

8. Not a single American worker lost their job because of Heinz factories

overseas. No Heinz factories in America were closed as a result of factories overseas. Factories such as those owned and operated by Heinz make products for local consumption. I suppose they could manufacture the product here and export it, but it would be prohibitively expensive and wouldn't sell too well, which would probably necessitate the closing of factories and cause a losss of jobs . . . oh wait, that's what we want to avoid right?

[napi21]

10. Thanks to all of you for the link to snopes.

I must remember to always check there first before freaking out at some email and come crying to you guys.

BTW, I have been fighting in favor of the Heinz Co for a long time now. I was born in Pgh, and lived there for 47 years! I toured the Heinz factory in Pgh when I was 12 years old (I'm 60 now) and back then they explained that they try to locate their factories closest to their product source, or their customer base, to get the freshest product, and save on shipping damage and costs. As far as I know, they still maintain that same philosophy.

People keep telling me that I'm just being partisan and not facing reality.

I've already sent the snopes link to the emailers from this morning. I hope they will accept the truth from an independent site.

Thanks again to all of you.

[imax2268]

9. here...read this...

http://www.heinz.com/jsp/presidential_statement.pdf

[napi21]

13. Thanks, that a great site. It comes from the source!

I also sent this link in response to the new flurry of emails I received this morning. Since it's FROM the Heinz Corp., I told them it should resolve the questions.

Thanks!

[alcuno]

11. It's so simple - they don't understand outsourcing! Explain it to them.

Outsourcing is taking a job for a product or service that we comsume here in the US, sending the job overseas, and importing the product or service to the US. Simple.

Think of Dell Computers. We use the technical support line that they offer. The people who worked the jobs (those jobs paid around $50,000/year) were Americans in Dallas (I think it was Dallas.) Now the job is being done by people in India and we still use the technical support. THAT'S OUTSOURCING.

Food production facilities are always in or near the country that they serve. Heinz is a bottling company and the bottle of ketchup on your table comes from the US. It's not like shoe or car manufacturing which are much more labor intense.

[snippy]

12. Only a moron with a pus-filled brain encrusted with shit would believe

that Bushshit. That is what I tell every liar who mentions this to me.

[napi21]

15. I can't do that! These aren't people with pus filled brains,

they are, as I've told some of them for a long time, "Brain Washed"! The youngest of those I receive these emails from is 39. He enlistted in the military at age 20, and back then at least, they did brain wash the recruits in boot camp. They get a lot of propaganda every day from the pubs, and how the dems just don't ever support the military.

The only agruments that stand a chance against that stuff is factula documentation...and even sometimes that doesn't work.

[snippy]

17. I say this to very successful people with high IQs and multiple

graduate degrees. I used to debate with them but now I rub their nose in the foul filth of the republican party and tell them that they are personally responsible for the hate, the racism, the fiscal insanity, and the lies put forth by the republican party.

[gollygee]

16. I got this same damn email

Also from a brain-washed guy. I emailed back the snopes list and it helped.

I know it's annoying but we have to speak up every single time we hear garbage like this. The repubs do. If we're going to beat their attack machine, we have to respond every single time.

[caffefwee]

19. unlike the Bushies, Teresa uses her wealth for good

The Heinz Family Philanthropies

http://www.hfp.heinz.org/index.html