So MTP just started AND...

[sniffa]

"Joe Liebermann, please feel free to lie and attack Obama. John Kerry, please defend Obama's playing of the race card."

:eyes:

[DainBramaged]

1. Joe LIEberman, come 1-20-09, the end of YOUR error will arrive

and you will be smacked down as a sad footnote in Senate history.

[Kierkegaard]

2. Now I understand why some people end up climbing the clock tower.

I would have given $10,000 to see Kerry tackle Lieberwhore and just beat the snot out of him.

[liberal N proud]

6. That is why Kerry is not President

He will not go after the liars

[sniffa]

7. Is that why Joe isn't Vice President?

[karynnj]

22. He actually did go after many lies here

and he did get the media more than ample proof that the liars were lying within ONE day of the book coming out - not to mention they already had his full record with fitness reports that covered the whole interval. In addition to that they knew everyone on Kerry's boats when he got medals backed him and that Nixon in 1971 investigated him and found he was a clean cut hero (and it was said on tapes we were never suppose to here.)

It is a smear to repeat that he didn't respond. This is FAR more than Clinton'e vaunted war room gave in similar time frames - and had the virtue of being the whole truth that he never had to backtrack on - as WJC did on gennefer Flowers and teh draft.

[wisteria]

27. I think Senator Kerry did an excellent job taking on Leiberman and defending Obama.

Did you really expect him to out and out call him a liar and punch him out? If you did- get real this is not a boxing ring.

[patrice]

37. I personally would prefer more aggression on the issues, but Kerry did very well

with what he had to work with.

I was particularly glad to see him almost cold-shoulder JL, while JL petitioned him with those touches, hand on Kerry's back etc., very suplicatory.

[Basement Beat]

3. Kerry is kicking ass though.....n/t

[sniffa]

5. He's doing good, by why the overt bias?

I just woke up, and it's too early for my rage to be going. x(

[Basement Beat]

8. I have no clue...but now its pissing me off....

No mention on the many McCain gaffes and switch of positions...but its constantly "defend what Obama said".

[wisteria]

33. What bias. are you referring too. I watched the entire interview and I don't follow your complaints

about Senator Kerry.

[sniffa]

34. Where's my complaint about Kerry?

There is none.

[sniffa]

4. Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch!

John Kerry, please defend these horrendous comments by Obama. :eyes:

WTF!? Is Joe gonna get some of this too?

[Barack_America]

9. Lol! Lieberman just verified that McCain is "all male".

Wow, Joe! We had always suspected your relationship ran that deep, but thanks for the confirmation. Congratulations to the lucky couple!

[Basement Beat]

11. lol! Did he just get in a twinkle in his eye??

I could have sworn his eyes sparkled when talking about McCain.

[patrice]

17. I'm thinking of JL's mental image on that one too: don't you think they all share the same

athletic club(s)?

[Frances]

14. If I were Kerry, I would ask

"Are you trying to excuse McCain's well-known temper with this remark? Thad Cochran has stated that McCain's erratic behavior sends a shiver up his spine when he thinks of McCain in the White House."

I think Obama should stay above the fray, but his surrogates should not play defense. They should play offense.

[TwilightGardener]

25. Please tell me in what context he used the phrase "all male"--I'm really curious.

Is it sort of like when he personally checked McCain's "bearings"?

[Barack_America]

29. In response to the WSJ's claim that McCain's payroll tax flip-flop was a "sex change"..

Lieberman responded that he can assure us that McCain "remains all male".

:rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

30. Ewwww. Just...

ewwww...

[Frances]

10. If I were Kerry, I think I would say that questions like this

prove Obama was right when he said that Republicans would focus on smears, not solutions.

The American people want to know how the next President is going to reverse the energy crisis created by a President and vice-President who were both in the oil business. They want to know how the next President is going to tackle the inflation that this President has no idea how to deal with. They want to know how the next President is going to get back the jobs that have been lost under John McCain's good friend, President Bush.

If Kerry is smart, he'll not defend, he'll attack!

No one can make Kerry play patsy on national TV.

[karynnj]

24. In spite of the 2 to 1 format

Kerry did atatck on many issues. He was very good on characterizing the ad as character assassination and pulling in Rove's name - and not backing off when Leiberman insisted he wasn't involved. He did a great job on explaining the Anwar awakening and completely outclassed Leiberman by having actually met with that group of Sheiks. With Brokaw essentially giving Leiberman the mike and soft ball questions, Kerry did a great job getting his points out.

Leiberman came out looking like a jerk.

[wisteria]

36. I agree. An d, Lieberman proved himself to be a real Wiesel and liar.

We know the facts about the pre-surge activities in Anbar Province. Leiberman took a cheap shot at Kerry and Obama trying to claim that not saying the surge is a success is demeaning our troops. What a sleazy thing to say.
I tell you what after watching Lieberman's performance, I am ready to go to the web site and sign the petition to get rid of him.

[Vinca]

12. Brokaw is turning out to be the biggest McBush cheerleader of all. nt

[JamesA1102]

13. LIEberman is lying scum! nt

[sniffa]

15. The MTP label: Joe Liebermann (I/D-CT)

Stop fucking enabling the douchebag.

[patrice]

16. ??? Kerry said Obama's remark wasn't racist; it was to point out the

Re :puke: 's intention of making folks fear Obama, "He's not like you and me."

I personally think Obama needed defense on the dollar-bill remark. He wasn't trying to say "They want you to fear me because I'm not the same color as George Washington." He said "They want you to fear me because I'm different from what you are used to" and Crash and crew made different = color, rather than different = Independent, or different = Young, or different = a uniter instead of a divider, or different = engaged in synthesis instead of the usual false dichotomies that are all we ever hear, or different = all of these things, maybe even including color, instead of limited to this phony single issue bullshit that the powers that be use to oppress the Folk.

[karynnj]

26. Kerry's answer was exactly Obama's on fear

He then extended it to character assassination then to this not being the McCain who wanted this to be on issues. So in addition to Obama's point, Kerry again makes the point that this is NOT the 2000 McCain the reporters thought they knew and (stated as FACT) that the Republicans are again runnning a character assassination campaign.

Your answer is very defensive - and many may not buy it - Kerry's answer was defining the McCain campaign negatively.

[patrice]

18. Okay, I get it now . . . You wanted him to de-construct and then re-construct the dialogue on this

into something more STRATEGICALLY useful.

You wanted him to play offense instead of defense.

Agreed!

[sniffa]

19. Sure, but I wanted Tom Brokaw to not to wear his McCain love on his sleeve

And frame everything as anti-Obama. Fuck him.

[patrice]

20. An honest moderator would have asked JL why it's "negotiating" when he is

talking about Crash and "flip-flopping" when he is talking about Obama.

Honestly, tee, hee, I don't think Brokaw is smart enough to do any better. MTP will probably hire him.

[Cha]

35. We don't have honest moderators in the mainstream

media unless they got Jack Cafferty or Keith Olbermann and the corporate whore honchos couldn't handle their honesty in a debate with a lie-berman and a Kerry.

[karynnj]

32. Your de-construck and re-construct was the ultimate in DEFENSIVE

where Kerry's played offense. Points made:
- McCain is opting to attack character, not run on issues
- McCain is not the 2000 McCain
- Republicans do this and this is a Rove approach.

Sum of messages - this is the worst of Rove/Bush, not the McCain, who was running on ideas and was bipartisan

[Mass]

21. Kerry did very well despite the obvious bias of Brokaw. But it is always amazing to see how Brokaw

is biased.

[patrice]

31. He's stupid. The guy can process maybe 2 concepts at a time and

ONLY sequentially at that.

Intelligence was never a criteria, at all, for being on TV.

God! There's some research I'd like to see: Media figures are as smart as what % of the general population? - or - How much of the general population is smarter than MSM?

[Quixote1818]

23. Why didn't Kerry defend Wes Clark and explain what happened? nt

[Mass]

28. Because he was not there for that. He was there for Obama. As much as I like Clark,

I am happy that Kerry did not get the discussion go there. It was obvious he did not want to talk about that.

[wisteria]

38. God answer. And, It is old news and shouldn't of even been brought up. n/t

[patrice]

40. It's called discipline.

e.g. in a chess game, do you give up the center of the board, to chase (pardon!! the allusion Clark supporters) pawns on the fringes?

[patrice]

39. Kerry = A- for doing Tactics instead of Strategy.

[alphafemale]

41. Lieberman's voice is like ground glass in my ear canal.

I just can't handle that whining, nasally plaint.

[patrice]

42. He constantly groans.

Note to self: must look up the derivation of the word "groan" for sources of or related to toad-ness.