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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:11 PM
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Polling And Cell-Phones (Anybody Have Updated Info???)
How Serious Is Polling's Cell-Only Problem?
The Landline-less Are Different and Their Numbers Are Growing Fast

by Scott Keeter, Director, Survey Research, Pew Research Center
June 20, 2007

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Twenty years ago the survey research profession -- having grown comfortable with telephone interviewing as an alternative to personal interviewing for conducting surveys -- worried mostly about the roughly 7% of U.S. households that could not be interviewed because they had no telephone. Today our concern is somewhat different, and potentially more serious. According to government statistics released last month, nearly 13% of U.S. households (12.8%) cannot now be reached by the typical telephone survey because they have only a cell phone and no landline telephone.1

If people who can only be reached by cell phone were just like those with landlines, their absence from surveys would not create a problem for polling. But cell-only adults are very different. The National Health Interview Survey found them to be much younger, more likely to be African American or Hispanic, less likely to be married, and less likely to be a homeowner than adults with landline telephones. These demographic characteristics are correlated with a wide range of social and political behaviors.

Polling's cell phone problem is a new one. In early 2003, just 3.2% of households were cell-only. By the fall of 2004, pollsters and journalists were openly worrying about the potential bias that cell-only households might create for political surveys. The National Election Pool's exit poll found that 7.1% of those who voted on Election Day had only a cell phone, and these cell-only voters were somewhat more Democratic and liberal than those who said they had a landline telephone. But pre-election telephone polls in that election were generally accurate, and pollsters felt that they had dodged the proverbial bullet. This fortunate outcome was a result of the fact that the statistical weighting employed by most telephone polls helped to correct for the missing respondents. The fact that the cell-only group in 2004 was still a relatively small part of the overall population also helped mitigate the impact of the problem.

But given the speed with which the number of cell-only households has increased, there is growing concern within the polling business about how long the landline telephone survey will remain a viable data collection tool, at least by itself. At last month's annual meeting of the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR), survey research's top professional organization, an entire series of research panels focused on the cell phone issue. At one of the panels, a government researcher told the audience that the size of the cell-only group could approach 25% by the end of 2008 if the current rate of increase is sustained.

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More: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/515/polling-cell-only-problem

With the large influx of "Cell Only" young, liberal, ethnic, etc. could the polls we're seeing be significantly off???

:shrug:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:16 PM
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1. Here's A Pretty Good Article From Salon
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/29/youth_v...

I almost shit my panties today when George Will admitted the polling numbers could be way off due to the kids & cell phones. They keep hoping the kids and AA's won't show up like in the past, but not this time. The color-blind kids will be showing up in droves IMO.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:20 PM
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4. I'm Getting 404 - File Not Found
:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:44 PM
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16. BWAAAHHH!!!
I don't know why that is funny.

But it is.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:11 PM
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26. Here It Is - Entitled: Can You Hear Me Now?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:23 PM
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28. Thank You !!! - Important Stuff !!!
Maybe it's a good thing.

The MSM gets their "close" race, which is good for their ratings, yet in the end, Obama creams McCain and makes the MSM look like the incompetent boobs that they are.

Just a thought.

:shrug:

Again... thanks for the article!

:hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:17 PM
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2. The polls are way off and they didn't poll the Cellphone users in '06 either.
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 12:27 PM by Breeze54
I don't believe any of the polls. They pollsters fail to call cellphone users (mostly younger crowd) or AA's.

Can you hear me now? Obama's missing 2 percent

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/14/cell_phone/

By failing to survey cellphone-only voters, pollsters could be undercounting Barack Obama's support by millions of voters.


By Paul Maslin and Jonathan Brown

snip-->

Many survey companies have looked at these impediments and decided that it is simply not worth the extra effort and cost to track down cellphone users.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:20 PM
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3. I've been cell-phone only since 2002. And I have NEVER been polled. eom
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:21 PM
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5. Ditto For Me, On Both !!!
:hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:29 PM
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8. It costs the Poll Co's to much money and they can't auto dial you by law.
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By law, cellphone users cannot be called by an automatic dialing system (to prevent obnoxious telemarketing), and cellphone numbers are not part of the normal random-digit-dialing residential-exchange universe. Survey companies prefer to conduct polls using automatic dialing, but to find cellphone-only voters, they must employ the less-efficient hand-dialing method. Cellphone users must be sampled separately and at greater cost in time and money. This means that polls utilizing the cheaper and more efficient means of making survey calls do not include cellphone interviews.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/14/cell_phone/
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:43 PM
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14. I think it's also access to numbers...
For example, I did not list my cell-phone number when I registered to vote in PA. So I don't know how a pollster would contact me, even if they did hand dial.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:46 PM
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17. Could be but they don't want to pay anyone to hand dial you!
Besides, if they did that, McDim would be behind!! :sarcasm:

;)
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:47 PM
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19. How would they even know my number?
That's the question I was asking. Is there a directory of cell phone numbers? (I honestly don't know whether there is or not).
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:50 PM
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22. National Cellular Directory - Cell Phone Numbers Directory -If they wanted to find you, they can!
National Cellular Directory - Cell Phone Numbers Directory - FREE!
www.nationalcellulardirectory.com/
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:06 PM
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24. Lol. I'm not there. I guess I truly am a ghost! nt
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:38 PM
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13. I've been cell only for at least 5 years myself.
Probably more than that. I have wondered about the cell only effect on polling. There are a lot of people I know who are cell only.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:28 PM
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6. Yes, they do poll households that have only a cell phone.
Either Rasmussen or Gallup had something about this in the last week. They've been doing this for quite a while. They stay in business only by being fairly accurate, after all.

I don't understand why the poll numbers showing the race is close are a shock to anyone. The percentage of moderates and conservatives in the country is much larger than the percentage of liberals. There are more Democrats than Republicans, but many of those Democrats are moderates who will sometimes cross party lines. McCain has always done well with independents. He has a favorability rating about double Bush's approval rating. We are not running against Bush.

And our party is not completely united, and I continue to believe that having Hillary Clinton as VP would change that and give Obama a significant lead in the polls, increasing his support among Democrats.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:29 PM
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9. Could you cite what Rasmussen and/or Gallup said about this last week?
thanks!
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:49 PM
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21. I didn't want to go through all those pages so I googled it and found out Gallup includes cell-only
households, but Rasmussen does not -- it's prohibited by federal regulations because of the way it polls, since it's automated, interactive voice response or IVR. (I thought I'd read somewhere that Rasmussen was including cell phone-only voters, but must have confused the two, after looking at both tracking polls every day.)

I found this article among the Google results, which explains more:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/mp_20080702_7045.php

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:32 PM
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10. People tend to change their cellphone #'s quite often.
When I'm phonebanking I find that approximately 50% of cellphone numbers are no longer in use.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:46 PM
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18. I've had the same phone number since 2003, and I still haven't been polled. eom
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:51 PM
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23. And you won't be, as stated above. n/t
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:57 PM
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25. I've had the same cellphone
number since 1997 or so.

I think people used to change their numbers frequently, especially when they'd change service providers, but since you can keep your cell number even when changing providers, I would suppose that more people are keeping the same number indefinitely.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:36 PM
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12. "They stay in business by being fairly accurate"...
Tell that to the pollsters who gave Obama a 12% lead in the NH Primary a week before the election.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:28 PM
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7. Polling companies only reflect what those paying for the polls want to reflect.
calling landlines at 3:00 p.m. any day of the week in a particular zip code area is an excellent way to skew polls.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:32 PM
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11. I've been saying this for years
I also know people who predominately use their cell phones and have landlines only as part of an Internet package (myself included). Anyone who has tried to contact customers on landline phones know that only a small percentage of people actually answer them, letting the answering machine pick up the calls.

I've noticed that people tend to assume that it is only the very young who only use cell phones, but I've found people in all age groups who rely predominately if not solely on their cell phones.

So I don't trust these polls at all. They hardly reflect what I witness in the real world.

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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:44 PM
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15. been wondering
where they get their poll info from...I've never been called and nor has anyone I know -- in 15 years. That's odd, no?

I don't think they have this no landline demographic correct. Re cell only -- I am married and cell only and have been cell only for years. Most of our colleagues and friends are cell only and many of them are married. These are professionals 26-42 in age -- all voting Obama. In my line of business, I can't think of anyone who has a landline except for the people over 45 who have kids. What about all of the self-employed who may only have a cell for personal and a work line? Surely they will mostly be voting demo -- unless they are entirely ignorant. What about VOIP? Does that count? If it doesn't, they are not polling the more tech advanced, who often happen to be more democratic in general. And in larger cities, like LA and NY, whole industries of people have only cells. This could explain the polls never reflecting what is really going on.

but also wasn't there some expose on the way they were doing the polls? They were asking questions in a leading way or something?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:48 PM
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20. I was called and polled (a long one) by the AP not long ago.
It was during the primaries. It took 20 minutes!!

But it was worth it! :P

Many people still have landlines.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:14 PM
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27. I only have a cell phone. I got rid of my land-line last year. (nt)
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:21 PM
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29. With All The Bitching About Polls, Ya'd Think This Might Generate More Conversation...
Guess we've all become comfortable in our own personal bitch.

:shrug:

Sorry about the negativity!

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