There are, it seems, plenty of Obama primary supporters who like Hillary as VP

[ruggerson]

and there are plenty of people who supported Hillary in the primary (myself included) who do not think she is particularly the best fit as Obama's running mate.

So, it would seem that those who are actually sowing division over the discussions of Hillary as VP really are not diehard Hillary supporters, or thoughtful Obama supporters, but just the usual suspects, who haven't moved beyond the primary, and like to endlessly, loudly and idly engage in useless and non productive Democrat-bashing and divisiveness.

Hillary may or may not be chosen as Veep, but, at least for public relations purposes, she's being considered, so it's a perfectly rational topic, along with a thousand other things, for rational Democrats to want to discuss on a Democratic political message board.

All the Veep speculation is positive and actually helps Obama, as it keeps interest alive in the campaign at a time when it ordinarily flags in the summer dog days before the convention.

It's to Obama's credit that he is keeping so many people guessing. It's a healthy and interesting part of the process.

[billyoc]

1. I agree. If she gets the VP nod, that's good enough for me, and I'm no Hillary supporter.

If you can't trust someone to pick a VP, you can't trust them to be President.

[BlooInBloo]

2. Bullshit. This was polled repeatedly. Essentially the only people who want Clinton as VP...

are Clinton supporters.

[ruggerson]

3. And you are one of the usual suspects

[BlooInBloo]

4. And you're just making shit up.

[emilyg]

7. Didn't take you long - predictable.

[grantcart]

5. If Clinton supporters are expected to be open minded about Obama

then it seems only fair to return the favor and keep an open mind about her/

It is especially easy to keep an open mind when you realize that none of us are going to have any impact on Senator Obama's decision.

Our words will however have an impact on our friends here, some of them who previously supported Clinton, still have affection for her and now support Obama.

Moreover there is a good EV case for Clinton. Obama meets or surpasses Kerry and or expectations in tons of states from New York to Montana. He hasn't been able to build overwhelming leads in OH/IN/PA/MI and Senator Clinton does do well in those states and can help him there. I do not believe that she will hurt him anywhere despite some polls that indicate it.

Senator Clinton would throw herself into the roll and she would work her heart out. She is capable of long hours and great tenacity. It would be foolish to disregard her simply because of the dust up in the primaries.

To sum up:

1) Keeping an open mind on Senator Clinton helps her supporters keep an open mind on Senator Obama and most of them here have become useful intelligent supporters like ruggerson.

2) People outside of DU are not really impacted on this type of discussion. Keeping an open mind helps to foster better relationships at DU without costing you anything and will not cause Senator Obama to tip his decision.

3) There are strong EV arguments for Senator Clinton.

4) Senator Clinton proved herself as an indefatigable campaigner. In the end the only one that could work as hard and put in those hours was Obama. She would run circles around any Republican.

5) To take her off the list is of no benefit. She should be kept in consideration.

[SwampG8r]

6. saying itagain

i like to read your stuff

[johnnydrama]

8. if Obama

If Obama asks her to be VP because all hit campaign's research says she would help him the most in winning, then who wouldn't be for it?

If he does it to placate all the people who says she is "owed" the VP slot, then I wouldn't be for that.

[briv1016]

9. She's not my first choice but I wouldn't get mad if he chose her.

I'm just afraid she doesn't fit with the Change message and possibly the skeletons in her closet. The fact that she would bring people like Ickes worries me too.

[Metric System]

10. If it's all about CHANGE, then he'll have to be very careful about who he picks. Nunn, for example.

[ruggerson]

12. Nunn is not going to get it.

And neither is Hagel. They may be looking to surprise us, but not that way.

[Orsino]

11. She's certainly not a change candidate...

...but I'm not sure Obama is, either. I'll shrug and vote against McCain.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. I don't think she should be VP, but it would be a great show of confidence

I am troubled by the idea that Obama could be shopping for people who don't step on his spotlight. (I live in Virginia and Tim Kaine still means less than nothing to me. He's just not very interesting.) Picking Clinton would be gutsy.

And my reasons for not wanting her as VP are not particularly practical ones. I believe she actually would guarantee victory more than any other pick, but I don't want to see her teated like Snowball in Animal Farm. I get a bad vibe thinking about the ticket.

(Plus, it is 100% not going to happen.)

[IndianaGreen]

14. I just got back from a meeting of Leftists in South Bend, Indiana

and I mean the real Left, as in Marxist Left. The consensus is that it doesn't matter who Obama picks for VP, even Hillary Clinton. We will work our butts off for the ticket!

We cannot have McCain in the White House! McCain is emotional disturbed, has a serious anger management problem, and his inner demons will lead him to bomb just about any country to make up for the war in Vietnam.

BTW, it is possible and plausible for Obama to win Indiana this year.

[Cha]

15. Bravo IndianaGreen!

Thank you and your Really Leftists Friends:patriot: :party: :bounce: