One of the MAIN reasons I can not support Hillary as the VP---McCain's Ad with Hillary

[Genevieve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[Motown_Johnny]

1. K&R

[Genevieve]

3. Thanks. Let us not forget - -

- The Repubs and the MSM surely won't!

[AtomicKitten]

2. There are so many reasons, and that one is a damn good one.

[Genevieve]

4. Yes, Hillary certainly was the first nominee to pull something THIS despicable. nt

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8. ROFL

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

It is just "awful" isn't it.

Are you freaking kidding me?

[AtomicKitten]

13. Yes, it is awful that Clinton behaved like a horse's ass during the primary.

And it takes an even bigger horse's ass to dismiss it like it was nothing.

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It was a freaking political campaign.

You do realize that, right?

[Political Heretic]

26. Doesn't matter. I'm not bitter about Clintons strategy. I'm just rationally telling you that......

she can't be VP. I mean can't be. Even if Obama wanted her, her own choice to go scorched earth was an all or nothing gamble that failed. Obama can't pick her as VP because her comments against him were so excessive that McCain now has and endless supply of ready made ads with Clinton totally trashing the nominee AND saying that McCain is more qualified to be president than Obama is....over and over.....

SHE DID IT TO HERSELF.

I think it would have been GREAT if Obama/Clinton could have been the ticket....but her own choices ruined that chance.

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31. Um....YOU aren't telling me anything...

I wasn't even responding to you.

:wtf:

[Political Heretic]

85. Sorry.. "I'm telling you" was meant generally.

You don't seem to be able to offer anything to dissuade from these concerns and realities... I'd like to hear people still advocating for a clinton VP actually address these things.

[scheming daemons]

33. Thanks for the unemotional response....

The "defend-Hillary-at-all-costs" brigade doesn't want to hear rational reasons why she can't be the VP.


If you simply say "She can't be the VP"... you are an irrational Hillary hater.


Welcome to the club.

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46. LOL

You didn't simply say "She can't be VP"

You worried about an that you admitted later probably wouldn't even occur.

I believe you are a member of the "insult-and-defame-Hillary-at-all-costs" brigade.

Let's see that membership card.

[scheming daemons]

49. I'd prefer not to mention her again until its time to congratulate her on taking over as Maj. Leader

Other than to say "good job on your Tuesday night speech at the convention, Hillary."

[napoleon_in_rags]

5. Eh, She was arguing that we needed experience to beat experience.

And that she had it and Obama didn't. I don't have a strong opinion on who's VP, but I don't hold that against her, it was a tough primary fight but its over.

[Genevieve]

11. She didn't even have security clearance when Bill was in the WH,

so what is she trying to say? That Bill violated the law and shared info w/her that she was prohibited by law from having?
Or that she's just as qualified as Nancy Reagan or Laura Bush is for the same experience?

Blachh.

[napoleon_in_rags]

35. I don't want to dig up old arguments from the primary season.

About Hillary's experience, but I will say that there is, contrary to most conservative opinion, government functions beyond national security.

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6. You do know that that isn't a real ad, right?

You did read the fine print and all, right?

:eyes:

[Genevieve]

14. Of course.

eom.

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20. Well.....then you shouldn't advertise it in your op as a "McCain Ad."

Duh.

[Genevieve]

21. It's the youtube title, duh.

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25. So that makes it all better?

It is disgusting and deceptive.

And you knew it from the beginning....

Wow.

[Genevieve]

42. Yes, It's the title.

Wow.

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48. So....let me get this straight....

I can upload a cat eating its own "leavings" and put your name on it and everything is cool?

I can hardly wait. :eyes:

[Genevieve]

50. You really make no sense, and you must know that.

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52. Your defense was that it was "the name of the video."

So I will put your name on a video of a dog licking its hind-quarters.

Seems fair, right?

[scheming daemons]

59. Why are you defending MCCAIN?? The OP put MCCAIN'S name on it, not Hillary's

Your response is to say that you'll put the OP's name on something bad?


So... it is wrong to put MCCAIN'S name on something bad?


Are you sure you want to be defending McCain like that?


Might give you away.

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63. Once again....WTF?

The OP used a fictious "McCain Ad" as a reason to insult Sen. Clinton.

I asked why the originator of the thread would do such a thing, and they said "It was the name of the video."

I asked if the originator knew that it wasn't a real McCain ad and they admitted that it wasn't. But it was the name of the video...

:wtf:

[scheming daemons]

68. And you keep complaining about MCCAIN's name being on the video and thread title...

Why do you care if the OP is disparaging McCain?

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91. Don't be obtuse.

You know I upset about Sen. Clinton's name being used in the title of this fake "attack ad."

[scheming daemons]

72. Let's summarize...

You said this:

So....let me get this straight....
I can upload a cat eating its own "leavings" and put your name on it and everything is cool?

I can hardly wait

In response to the OP putting McCain's name on the video.


You are defending McCain's honor... for reasons only known to yourself.

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89. No, in response to the OP posting a video with a deceptive title.

And then defending it.

I am upset that the OP will not recognize that Hillary Clinton does not appear in any McCain attack ad.

And that the YouTube vid was simply a hypothetical.

[Genevieve]

64. That's what I've been trying to figure out!

WTF??

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71. I will spell it out for you. SLOWLY...

You posted a YouTube video portraying it as a "McCain Ad."

Then you said, it was just the name of the video.

Yet the whole premise of your OP was that THIS was the reason you would oppose Sen. Clinton as VP.

Then I asked if you knew it wasn't a real McCain ad. You said yes, but it is the name of the YouTube vid.

Therefore....Any YouTube vid is fair game, right?

:wtf:

[Genevieve]

74. Listen Prod,

eh,
nevermind.

[dionysus]

87. you're funny...

[MichiganVote]

55. LOL!!!!

[cboy4]

7. What do you want from Hillary? Blood? She has endorsed

Obama with a generous speech, and will be campaigning for him as part of a unity tour before the convention.

I mean honest to God. Let it go.

[scheming daemons]

10. She's not the problem, really.....

The problem is how her past words about Obama will be used against him... especially if she is the VP nominee.


She can't undo it.... though I'm sure she would if she could.

[cboy4]

32. But they'll use all of the negative things she said about him.

You can't campaign worrying about how your words will be used against you, otherwise you will come across as weak and timid.

She was trying to win.

I'm sure all of the smart people are already thinking of damage control responses if it comes down to a swift boat attack on that issue.

[Political Heretic]

19. No. It's not about letting go, or being vindictive. She removed her own chance for VP

when she chose to risk an all-or-nothing gamble for the nomination. You can't be VP after stooping to the point where you say the eventual nominee is unqualified and incompetent to lead.... but oh suddenly now I'm proud to be on the ticket.

Right.

This isn't about personal vindictiveness - this is about you can't pick a VP where your opponent has ready made ads with YOUR VP Candidate trashing you, AND saying that your opponent is more ready to lead than you are.

That was a crossed line, she has noone to blame but herself for shooting herself in the foot when it comes to VP.

[MichiganVote]

29. Did you get the message that the primaries are over? Like really, really over?

Hillary Clinton is not going to be picked as the VP.

[scheming daemons]

39. "Hillary Clinton is not going to be picked as the VP."... tell that to the half-dozen OPs that are

still calling for it.

[MichiganVote]

43. So what? People can have their opinions. doesn't make it so. Get a grip.

[Genevieve]

47. Exactly --

As I am entitled to mine.

[MichiganVote]

53. Except you don't have opinions my dear...

you have spin bordering on hysterical rhetoric based on a false ad that you now want to claim as a worthy measure to support your opinion.

And if that's too complicated for you, try this...

You're full of shit and those of us who know BS on this board recognize it.

Sleep tight, you tried, you failed.

[Genevieve]

66. You are funny, MrMichigan.

[MichiganVote]

70. You're somewhat entertaining yourself.

[cboy4]

38. She deserves to be asked considering a practically equal

number of Democrats voted for Hillary.

Obama just barely won.

[MichiganVote]

44. No one deserves anything in a primary race. Its a priamary, someone wins, someone loses.

[cboy4]

58. I disagree. When a bitter primary race goes down to the wire

and ends with a razor thin margin of victory, I think Hillary has earned the right of first refusal.

Otherwise, Obama is turning his back on the 50 percent of Democrats who support Hillary.

[scheming daemons]

60. It's only worked that way twice in the past 50 years... JFK/LBJ and RR/GHWB

It's not the norm.

[MichiganVote]

62. Then you think wrong. There is nothing in the rules abotu "1st" refusal.

And the fact that the nominee has not and will not choose Sen. Clinton as VP is not logically indicative of turning his back on anyone, not you, not me.

Allow me to educate you. Sen. Clinton ran a very strong campaign. Good for her. We expect our candidates to do so.

She is not running an equally strong campaign for VP. She doesn't want it. And that is why she will not be chosen.

Support her next Senate campaign.

[cboy4]

73. Please don't talk down to me with you comment about

educating me.

Truse me, you don't want to get into a nasty contest because I can be a real asshole.

I'm trying to turn over a new leaf and discuss things without verbally abusing people, and you don't help with "allow me to educate you."

Thanks.

[MichiganVote]

75. Sweetie, most of us are assholes on the board, including me at times.

The lesson stands. You might not like it, but there it is. And you can be a saint for all I care.

Sen. Clinton does not want the VP post.

[cboy4]

77. LOL, fair enough.

That made me laugh.

And I agree, she doesn't want the VP post.

I still think she should be asked.

[MichiganVote]

79. :) I suspect she has been asked....but nobody is going to tell us nobodies.

[Political Heretic]

86. No one deserves anything. Close doesn't count. OUR nominee needs to pick a VP that helps him win

...not one that hurts him. I wish Hillary wouldn't have adopted an all-or-nothing approach in the primaries. I think an Obama/Clinton ticket might have been a good thing. But she did. And that's the ball game.

I've made the same observation three or four different places, and no one has any counter for the truth that Clinton's own words now prevent her from being the VP. All McCain would do is play her saying McCain's ready to be president and Obama isn't over and over and over again.

[MichiganVote]

9. Do the words shut up mean anything at all to you? The primaries are over-way over.

[Genevieve]

12. I 'm answering all the posts that keep advocating this ridiculous ticket. And you

can shut the fuck up -- don't you tell me what I can post.

[MichiganVote]

24. No thanks. I think you should still put a cork in it.

[Cha]

15. Yeah, too bad hillary and bill went for broke

and ended up bankrupt.

[Genevieve]

16. yep. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

18. She ran a spirited campaign

as did Obama. The lingering hatred for the Clintons here is absurd and divisive.

[scheming daemons]

27. What, exactly, is wrong with saying "I don't support Hillary for VP, and here's why"???

Geez... OP after OP after OP touting Hillary for VP is just fine and dandy.... but having a counterargument is "divisive"?


Is that true for the posts saying Kaine would be a bad choice? Or Bayh? Or Biden?


Is it ONLY "divisive" when someone says Hillary would be a bad choice?



This thread shows what the GOP will use if/when Hillary is the VP nominee. It's a valid point, and there is no implied "hatred" at all... except in your mind.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. You don't do that

you post hateful, divisive bullshit every day. It's what you do.

You're disgusting.

[scheming daemons]

51. I did *EXACTLY* that in my last OP.... nothing hateful or divisive at all....

You just define "divisive" as anybody who thinks having her as VP is a bad idea.

Like the OP here.

[MichiganVote]

57. people are not exactly lining up to promote Sen. Clinton as VP you know.

[scheming daemons]

61. Uh..... yes they are. 6 such threads the past two days.

[MichiganVote]

65. Baby there are more sex threads in the lounge than that.......:)

[scheming daemons]

67. And I think none of those OPs should be chosen as VP either.....

:)

[MichiganVote]

69. :) Yes but they do take procreation very seriously

[JVS]

92. That's not a nice thing to say.

[Genevieve]

40. Thank you ---

Every other thread i in this forum is about HC running as Obama's Veep.

I post this video with the words that come
'STRAIGHT OUT OF HER OWN MOUTH".
and I'm told to 'Shut Up", 'It's all about you",
blah blah, etc.

Wow.

[scheming daemons]

54. Don't sweat it. After Obama makes his choice, maybe they'll finally let go...

[MichiganVote]

56. I think we need some specially made tombstones for these types

Don't they have something like that in the Night of the Living Dead?

[MichiganVote]

41. Nothing..only here's the thing...nobody gives a damn cuz' she's not the pick anyway.

[Cha]

45. You call it lingering hatred..I call it stating facts.

Tell bill the primaries over so he can quit his whining on National TV.

[MichiganVote]

22. Its over. Their finances are their affair.

[Cha]

28. I'm not talking about their

fucking money.

[MichiganVote]

36. O-V-E-R....Got it? Its over, done, nothing more to say. Primaries are merely primaries.

[JVS]

90. This is about VP selection, not the primaries.

[zulchzulu]

17. The McCain peep creeps are playing HRC's Playbook on steroids...

The Primaries always do that shit.

So why not play Romney and all the other GOP creeps dissing McGaffe... there's plenty of stuff there.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

23. Ironically, her being VP would be the best inoculation against such ads

See Reagan/Bush and Kennedy/Johnson for historical examples of the phenomenon.

But the OP is really about YOU, not about whether one person or another would be a good VP choice.

[TexasObserver]

34. Too bad she didn't bring a lifetime of experience using good judgment

Of all the dumb things said in the Democratic presidential primaries over the decades, those comments had to the dumbest. If she wanted the VP nod, she sure picked a stupid way to go about it.

She killed any hope of a unity ticket when she did that.

[MichiganVote]

37. Some people liked it. But its all done now so who cares?

[Imagevision]

76. Hillary & Bill supporting Obama? - yeah, r-i-g-h-t - it really shows in his numbers

[MichiganVote]

78. Well actually I heard Bill Clinton say some nice things about Obama today

wish you could have been there...he sounded sane, wasn't grabbing his crotch or anything, no foaming at the mouth and so, I believed him. He was in Rowanda working with his foundation to help Blacks in that country with HIV. His only complaint was with the media. 'Course all they've ever done is report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

As liars go, I think if I have to choose, I'll take Clinton over the media any day.

[DB1]

80. OK, I am no Hillary fan, but this is bullshit. I'd take a Clinton over an R any day.

[davidpdx]

81. Unfortunately McCain will eventually use those types of videos against Obama

I agree, there is very little chance Obama will pick her.

[MrSlayer]

82. Not particularly well done.

But this is the type of shit we're going to see whether she's on the ticket or not. Hopefully not.

[DFLforever]

83. Yep. The "Dream Ticket" died the day she made those

C-I-C comments.

[Peacetrain]

88. That really did seal that deal

[Major Hogwash]

84. No shit.

She is history.

[Motown_Johnny]

93. Kicking, to keep it on front page