Why is Bill Clinton acting like a sore loser? Obama is our nominee!

[wowimthere]

Bill Clinton's interview was startling and disappointing. He was on the losing end of the primaries but others have lost against him and they later got on board. He needs to do the same.

His assessment of not being a racist is perhaps true but when you make a comment about race in the middle of a media pool then what can be valid for someone to assume is that you injected race into the campaign. He made some mistakes but lets be clear, he should follow his wife's lead and endorse and endorse HUGE! He sounds like he's helping McCain because he keeps harping on the Obama playing the race card. Here is problem. No one told Bill Clinton to say, Jesse Jackson ran a good campaign as if he was comparing two black candidates.

Bill needs to take his own advice. He told "everybody" to lighten up and let both candidates duke it out. So they do. Obama wins. And he's still upset... at Obama? If there is one segment of the population Bill should be angry at, it should be the media. They treated Hillary Clinton unfairly. To be sure though, a non-partisan poll explained that Obama is also getting unfair treatment from the media.

Bill, please... stop. This election is not about you. You are a Democrat. Act like one.

[Seeking Serenity]

1. "You are a Democrat. Act like one."

He probably is. We do like to eat our own, y'know.

What was it Will Rogers quipped? "I don't belong to any organized party. I'm a Democrat."

[hiaasenrocks]

75. The requirement of marching in lockstep is almost McCarthyistic.

How dare anyone have a different opinion!

[Beacool]

104. Yep, they expect a former president to bow and scrape at the feet of the presumptive nominee.

I guess the man has no right to defend himself or express his thoughts.

Please, the nerve of some people.

[MellowDem]

109. You're right, he should really be honest...

even if it hurts the party. Hell, he doesn't have to fall in line or lie, just keep his opinion to himself! It's politics after all! If he doesn't want to help the Dems win this fall, he should go back into obscurity.

Either way, he's hurting Hillary's already small chances for VP. Maybe that's not a bad thing.

[babylonsister]

122. A little party allegiance would go a long way. Too bad Bill's all about Bill. nt

[jaksavage]

124. Exactly

He has been no help in the last three election cycles.
It is all about Bill.

[godai]

2. His answers regarding Obama were lukewarm at best.

He wouldn't just say, yes, Obama is qualified but suggested perhaps no one is qualified on day 1. MSNBC had a ball with this, as another Obama bashing moment.

[4themind]

54. If he doesn't come fully on board Obama will have to go on with what he has

its not the ideal strategy but what lengths should he go to placate him if he pouts, and he may want nothing less than either having Hillary as the nominee or as the V.P., and if that's not the case then what? Obama has assumed the obligation of seeing this through to election day, and he'll do that even if former presidents won't get on board, Bill's responsible for his own thoughts and feelings but the line is clear, there will be and never would have been a Bill Clinton 3rd term, it's realistically (IMO) going to be Obama or McCain, and people (including bill) will either have to get on board or get on the tracks, and if we lose then we lose, we can only control what we do, not what bill does. Can't spend too much time looking back when people are actively attacking right in front of you (the repubs).

[Metric System]

3. I so want to respond to this, but for the sake of UNITY, I'll bite my tongue. For now.

[montanacowboy]

4. Well, I am not biting my tongue

it was like a spoiled child acting out. His face was beet red and you could see how pissed he was, this guy will never grow up and he will never out and out fully and totally endorse Obama. It is a shame to see this, he should stay home and STFU - yes, STFU BILL

[tridim]

41. More simply stated, he has become an asshole.

I'm truly sorry to have to say that because I used to like the man.

[AtomicKitten]

20. No worries. Your tongue works fine on caphill.

[JVS]

25. Nice!

[LittleClarkie]

29. I tought I taw a puddy tat

I DID, I DID, I did taw a puddy tat. Several, in fact.

Interesting.

[MyNameGoesHere]

5. Stop making this election about you, says the

person who ran back to DU like a silly child trying to tattle on their sibling. Why don't YOU stop making it about Clinton and come back here and report on what's going on with Obama?

[godai]

8. This does effect Obama.

MSNBC brought up the whole 'looking toward 2012' scenario, with the Clintons vindicating themselves and their legacy. That's means Obama would lose. It's unfortunate that this is happening but I don't see the problem discussing it in a democratic way.

[Pirate Smile]

10. They are bringing it up every hour.

[MyNameGoesHere]

28. Over and over and over and over

the rabid said "The primaries are over" And yet the rabid are still rabid about the primaries. If so much rabid energy were expended towards getting the Obama message out instead of the rabid rehashing of rabid primary talk, then the rabid people could actually do some good.

perhaps rapid people need a pound of flesh after all to feed their rabid hunger.

[godai]

33. This has nothing to do with the primaries.

I don't think you saw the interview. Bill Clinton is not willing to say directly that Obama is qualified to be the President. MSM interpretation is that Clinton's support is lukewarm and that his eyes seem to be on 2012, if Obama loses, for Hillary to get another shot. No true Democrat can say such things and not be rebuked.

[MyNameGoesHere]

116. Oh you wouldn't be happy if he kissed the ring

on Obama's hand and bent to his knees. Some people just feel slighted because bill didn't commit suicide for even talking against the god of the world. I like Obama pretty much. I think he is a likable enough person. But other than that he is just someone i have to vote for for president. Nothing less and nothing more.

[mloutre]

73. Did somebody say "rabbit"??

[Name removed]

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[iconicgnom]

117. Rabbits! Rabbits all over the place! Ooo, I hope they don't scare the cats!

[pennylane100]

12. This whole thread is about the Clintons,

specifically Bill. He is still mad that someone came from behind to displace his wife as his heir to the democratic party. If you, like him, are still not over it, that's too bad.

[MyNameGoesHere]

30. yes i am so not over it that i start stupid

"HEY GUESS WHAT BILL DID" threads all day long. Oh wait i am over it.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

81. a question

or two. Did you see the interview with Bill Clinton?

next question, If Bill keeps interjecting HIMSELF in this race, making comments which reflect poorly upon Obama, you do not see how people here will be interested in discussing this?

[MyNameGoesHere]

115. I saw bill being interviewed by another of those

hey i want to start some shit, interviewers. That's all i saw.

[jbnow]

64. Come on, Clinton's interview is worth talking about!

He was our last Dem president, he is a big part of our party and what he says gets a lot of press.They are still playing it on all the shows and talking heads are saying things like "Well we know he's voting for McCain" or "Guess he's planning for 2012"

He wasn't asked about the race part, he was asked if there is anything he regrets that he did or didn't do in the campaign. He just brought up the racist part. I understand he was hurt by it but it wasn't Obama and very little his surrogates. It was mostly black leaders, supporters and the press who played things over and over. Obama had nothing to win by race as an issue.

But his being unwilling to say that Obama was ready or qualified...those were bad answers.It matters

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. I'm guessing he's hitting the hooch.

:shrug:

[Arkansas Granny]

7. Why would you guess that? Of all the rumors and gossip I've ever heard

about Clinton, I don't think I've ever heard about him having a problem with alcohol abuse.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Odd, irrational behaviour.

Flushed face.

Occam's razor, really.

[Whisp]

35. whiskey beak.

[WinkyDink]

58. Irish temper alone will accomplish that. ;)

[Beacool]

105. Bill doesn't drink.

He's allergic to alcohol among many other things.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

121. lulz

"allergic to alcohol"

:rofl:

[1Hippiechick]

11. If that's the best he can muster, his "support" is now not needed nor would it be helpful, IMO.

With "friends" like that, who needs enemies? :shrug:

Edited to add:
I also heard a commentator or read yesterday that Bill just can't let go - that the Democratic Party had become the Clinton Party and now that Hillary is not going to be the next POTUS, Bill is infuriated. BUT, he is also on thin ice if he doesn't temper his statements. Besides, as I have reminded several PUMAs, whose ticket will Hillary run on if her "followers" insist on behavior that will alienate the Democratic Party?

[Chloroplast]

37. Repeating this for the folks in the back...

"Besides, as I have reminded several PUMAs, whose ticket will Hillary run on if her "followers" insist on behavior that will alienate the Democratic Party?"

If reminding the Clintons of 2012 is the only way to get them in line, then so be it. We don't need Bill or his pseudo-endorsements to wind up in McCain commercials on how Democrats can't even get behind Obama.

[Name removed]

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[Phx_Dem]

14. Life is full of dissapointments.

It's how you handle those disappointments that shows your true character, and I think we've all seen Bill's true character.

[Carolina]

78. EXACTLY!

[Genevieve]

84. Ditto, nt

[CatWoman]

15. I get so fucking sick of people here ragging on Bill Clinton

:nuke:

[scheming daemons]

16. Then maybe he should quit doing things to undercut our nominee....

...just saying.

[AtomicKitten]

21. some are completely oblivious to that right in front of their faces

[CatWoman]

44. and who would "that" be?

that horse ain't dead yet????

[ronnykmarshall]

57. That horse is long dead.

But beating dog food cans is just as fun.

[niceypoo]

74. Oh, get over the primaries already.....

...the other 99.999% of us have moved on to greener pastures.

[CatWoman]

43. I don't know what the hell your'e talking about

project much?

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Shhhhhh!

You'll get put on "the list". Plus you have cats on your sig line. They'll brand you a "PUMA".

We must tread carefully CW. We shant defend "that man" or "that woman". I know, I've been put on "the list" for doing such horrors.

[LostinVA]

82. I'm waiting for Catwoman to be called a racist

If that happens, I will be OMFG

[ronnykmarshall]

86. Well you know she's not REALLY black.

I've heard that she is really a white man living in Alabama that has long ties to the KKK.

But I ain't one to gossip, so you didn't here that from ME!

[NashVegas]

59. Yeah, I'd Like To See a LOT Of That

If ya know what I'm sayin ...

[LostinVA]

80. Agreed

[freesqueeze]

17. I'm not a racist

I just say racist things

[SidneyCarton]

18. Bill Clinton isn't running against our nominee, John McCain is.

This becomes tiresome, the Clintons are not the enemy, please stop treating like this. They make a tempting and easy target here, but these endless attacks achieve nothing except further shit-stirring.

The primaries are over, let's focus on the task at hand.

[Egnever]

24. When Bill is validating the latest mcsame camp meme He sure as hell is the enemy.

When he stops trying to undercut our nominee no one talks about him ... Have you noticed that?

[RiverStone]

27. agree and disagree

Bill has unique status as our last Democratic president (whom I worked very hard to elect); he has an obligation to GET OVER IT and until he shows unequivocal support for our nominee, he deserves every ounce of shit tossed his way. I give Hillary credit for trying to make an effort to move on, Bill seems to be stuck with an immature attitude. It's very transparent.

I do agree Sidney that ultimately, this focus does not particularly help Obama - but soon he will formalize his VP choice - the time for real unity is coming out of the convention later this month. Beyond that, UNITY is key and our entire efforts should be supporting Obama (and VP).

Still summer summer distraction going on....

[wowimthere]

19. The GOP are always on the same message... I wish there was the same kind of unity

in the Democratic party.

[RiverStone]

22. Rumor has it Bill's sore loser tantrums are the biggest reason Hil will not be VP

Who wants Bill sulking in the shadows...

[wowimthere]

26. I think you're right... why would Obama pick some whose husband would meddle?

[wowimthere]

23. This kind of behavior I think will backfire.

[DevonRex]

31. He is acting like one because he IS one. He gave some really

bad advice to Hillary during the primaries, including the Penn selection, and he cannot accept responsibility for that or for his many slip-ups during the campaign.

One would wonder if his goal now is to undermine Obama deliberately.

He really needs to just be quiet if he can't say anything good. He's a smart man; therefore, I question his motivation.

[highplainsdem]

32. More petty anti-unity Clinton-bashing.

[LittleClarkie]

38. I might agree if these criticisms came out of the blue and weren't attached to a report

There is a difference between criticism and bashing. When I see Clinton bashing out of the blue, I alert on it, as when someone said out of the blue "She lost, and she's not going to be the VP nominee either" or something of the sort.

This, however, is a comment tied to a story and quotations from Clinton himself.

I've always striven to give people the elbow room to make fair criticism of someone even if I like them quite a bit. I've even alerted on my own fellow Kerrycrats when I thought they were being overly sensitive toward fair criticism of our favorite politician.

In my opinion, you are being overly sensitive.

[DevonRex]

39. And there's video. It's just awful. nt

[Chloroplast]

40. Seriously, stop.

You come in every time someone mentions the Clintons and claim 'anti-unity this' and 'Clinton-bashing' that. It's beyond old. Bill is playing games, plain and simple. Those that are watching the election unfold have the right to make observations about a former President that refuses to give a straight answer about his party's Presidential nominee. Hillary's cool and has (as far as we know) kept up her end of the bargain; Bill on the other hand keeps catching feelings that he's no longer the young, handsome newcomer to the Democratic Party.

[Shakespeare]

42. Looks like Bill Clinton didn't get your memo. n/t

[wowimthere]

47. This was not an anti-Clinton post. Bill wasn't running for president... Hillary was and at no time

did I ever bash the nominee, Hillary R. Clinton. As a matter of fact, Hillary was treated unfairly by the media but Bill should be the force UNITING the party... not tearing it apart because Hillary didn't win. He should endorse OBama. He won the primaries. Bill has got to move on and get behind a candidate who represents our best values as a nation.

McCain will further deestroy this country even if it's for 4 years. We can't afford another GOP president. No one can and Bill should understand this.

[ronnykmarshall]

53. That's the new group ...................... PUDA

Party Unity Disruptor Advocates

or the more radical one .....

Party Unity Trashing Advocates

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. I don't want to think the worse.

He may have loyalties to people that Obama doesn't have any inclination to negotiate with. If he makes it tough enough for Obama, Obama may have to come to his table to talk?

[eridani]

36. Luckily, his wife is much more emotionally mature than he is

That will count more in the long run.

[Max_powers94]

45. I am going to say this just once Yall keep an eye on the Clintons...you never know

That is all....carry on

[Max_powers94]

46. 2x

[wowimthere]

48. Let me be clear... injecting race into the campaign does not mean you are a racist...

I'm not covering that end of the story. This is about Bill's interview that failed to deliver a forthright endorsement of the democratic nominee. We need as many democrats as we can handle to put an end to the Bush policies. That means we need Bill's hands on deck. He wanted a fight. He got one. He lost. Now back the Democratic candidate and stop crying about what was. Obama is OUR GUY. OBAMA IS OUR PRESIDENT!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

49. Here's what I think is going on...

McSame had that stupid ass ad. When Obama responded to it, McSame accused him of playing the race card.

So here comes Bill. He has already accused Obama of playing the race card during the primaries. His statements yesterday imply that Obama is unfairly attacking anyone who questions him, accusing them of being racists.

This is a brilliant Rovian tactic: play the race card against your opponent. Your opponent (Obama) calls you out on it. You then accuse your opponent of playing the race card when it was YOU who did it! You project onto your opponent that in which you yourself are guilty of doing. It's an age-old tactic in poliTRICKS that if done convincingly will have your opponent on the defensive which is exactly happening to Obama because the media refuses to do its homework.

It's like the jealous husband or boyfriend who is having an affair. He beats his wife/girlfriend because he suspects that she's having an affair when HE'S the one doing so!! Classic projection!!

Rove perfected it from Lee Atwater. He used it against McSame in 2000. Billary used it against Obama during the primaries to the extent that we now have people going around accusing Obama of having first played the race card, which is not true. Now McSame is using the same tactics that Billary used because he thinks it'll help him with the bigot vote, reinforcing that the blacks need to be reminded of their place. It also helps with the Indepedent voter who is not yet over his/her racist past; gives them permission to be justified in their cynicism regarding Obama.

[wowimthere]

50. How brilliant is it... when you've tired of the Rovian tactics and recognize them for what they are?

your observations are dead on but I think many know this and should be tired of it after 7 years. Obama should have expected it too.

[NashVegas]

60. And Here's What I Think Is Going On

There are some people who want to see Bill and Hillary both submit to Obama, metaphorically speaking, and they're pissed off it hasn't happened.

[AtomicKitten]

61. and some of you are stewing in your own bitterness because she's not the nominee

just sayin'

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

85. Yep!

[1Hippiechick]

68. "There are some people who want to see Bill and Hillary both submit to Obama" No, I just want them

to go away - far, far, away.

[wowimthere]

51. You're right but I wish people would just reject this out of hand... that includes

the media.

[WinkyDink]

55. Why? Because he IS!

[sniffa]

56. Uh-oh. This thread is going to bring out the victims as usual.

I see a bunch of ignoreds, so I'm guessing they're already here.

[AtomicKitten]

62. they have day passes from caphill

[sniffa]

67. *snort*

I'm guessing one of the Victims responded to me as well. :woohoo:

[paulk]

65. it's gonna bring out the assholes, too.

[1Hippiechick]

69. Hmmmm .....response 56 + response 65 = "ignored asshole victims"?

[JackORoses]

63. You shouldn't suit up in the pads if you don't want to get hit, Bill

[Life Long Dem]

66. If you care about Obama winning you set your priorities on this.

If you want to defend Clinton over Obama your as big an asshole as he is.

[davidpdx]

70. I think it is a big problem if Bill Clinton isn't behind Obama 100%

Clinton and Carter are two former presidents who are Democrats. If we aren't united behind our nominee, then there's going to be more problems to take Obama off message. No, this isn't Clinton bashing, it's just telling it like it is.

[kurtboss]

94. Bill Clinton May Be a Racist

Not like a just I'm being insulting cause the guy's a prick. He's a prick, and I know he sure as hell helped in the most disgusting scene of race-baiting I've ever in a campaign. His connections with Fulbright make you wonder to. He is from Arkansas.

Regardless, he's pissed. I think it's because the whole Democratic establishment decided they'd had enough and dumped the Clintons like a 10 dollar crack whore.

[Pathwalker]

123. That's why he's in Africa - pimping drugs to children.

Just because they're aids drugs and they are victims of the disease doesn't mean you can't smear him, does it? HOW DARE HE!!!!!

[Beacool]

106. Carter?

Oh yeah, the former president who made a point in an interview in Britain to say that Hillary as VP would be the worst mistake that Obama could make. That Carter?

And then they criticize Bill.........

:eyes:

[davidpdx]

112. Your missing the point

We need Bill Clinton behind the ticket. That's the point. Stop going off on your babbling rants.

[TheDonkey]

71. he is an ego-maniac. unhinged. unstable.

Sad to see.

[kurtboss]

92. Yeah I'm sick of him

Sick of the Clintons.

[BlooInBloo]

72. I don't know what anybody is surprised. The Clintons can fuck off and go to hell.

[Imagevision]

76. Bill lost being back in the WH. for 8 more years when Hillary supposedly was a shoo-in...

Bill must be really pissed that Obama actually beat him and his wife.

[Carolina]

77. Bill showed his true self during this campaign

bitter and petulant. Hillary's campaign was really his third chance and he cannot accept that THE TWO of them were defeated, that it wasn't wrapped up by Super Tuesday and that all their shenanigans with FL, MI and hard working white people didn't work.

Bye, Bye Bill! Like Jesse J, it's time to exit the stage!

[Imagevision]

79. Bill was ok in the 90's but... that was then and this is now.

[Catherine Vincent]

83. I really wish you people shut the fuck up about Bill Clinton!

[CakeGrrl]

88. If Bill Clinton is going to go on the air about Obama and

give these weaselly not-quite-complimentary nods to Obama's candidacy, then he's in for some commentary, good, bad or otherwise. He's fair game if he's on the air discussing the Democratic nominee in the thick of the General Election campaign.

If he'd make some plain, simple statements to the effect that he supports Obama and believes he's the better person for the job than McCain, nobody here would have much to say. But neither he nor Hillary can say anything fully positive and complimentary to the Democratic nominee without some reservation or condition attached, so there it is.

[Catherine Vincent]

90. He was interviewed while in Africa somewhere.

It's not his fault the interviewer asked questions about Hillary's race for the White House. He didn't bring it up. She asked questions, he answered.

[iconicgnom]

119. Yup. "If he'd make some plain, simple statements to the effect that he supports Obama.."

"and believes he's the better person for the job than McCain"

If he had done that so simple thing we'd all be applauding. We'd be relieved that a page had turned.

[PresidentObama]

87. He's not. You are a Democrat. Act like one. Stop smearing the Clintons.

[kurtboss]

91. The Best Thing About Obama is No More Clintons

The whole rotten bunch of them can go find jobs doing something else. Lanny Davis, Paul Begala, and Carville. Ugh.

[kurtboss]

93. Lanny Davis Deserves His Own Subject Line--God, What Turd

Lanny makes me sick to my stomach.

[PresidentObama]

95. President Obama wouldn't mean anymore Clintons, but nice try.

[kurtboss]

89. He's an Egotistical Dick, Otherwise a Great Guy

Here are some highlights of captain douchebags, aka the guy who made Gingrich and Dubya possible, aka Bill Clinton's storied career:

We need to get the last impeached President with us? The guy who signed NAFTA, welfare reform, bombed Iraq for 8 years, apparently ignored Bin Laden, doubled the war on drugs, put 100,000 more cops on the street resulting in record percentage of minorities imprisoned, fucked up a chance to reform health care, pardoned Marc Rich but wouldn't even commute Leonard Peltier, somehow made 100 million after leaving office, his mentor was J. William Fulbright famous segregationist Dixiecrat, DLC dickwad...oh yeah he also made the whole party look like corrupt liars.

Lets make sure the big shit stain himself does some rallies for us.

[chimpymustgo]

99. If he's a dick, what does that make Obama - who started this shit.

[kurtboss]

100. Yeah Obama Made Clinton Bomb Iran for 8 years

Or do fly overs for two years over Sarejevo until Nato pressured him to act. And Obama made him fuck up healthcare reform too I suppose.

No, Clinton was a shithead long before I ever hear Obama's name.

[Raineyb]

101. You have it exactly backwards

As per usual for the Obama/Clinton race issue.

Regards

[awoke_in_2003]

96. After the primaries were over

I changed my avatar from the steelers emblem to an Obama one. One week after I changed it back because I did not want to get automatically lumped in with those of you that will just not let it go. The primaries are over, Obama is the nominee, Hillary is making appearances with Barack and has shown nothing but grace since her concession, and the enemy is still John McCain. So, can we please STFU with this stuff?

Also, please note that I do not say this just to you, but also to the Clinton supporters the will not give it up.

[emilyg]

97. Why?

Maybe his stiffy hurts.

[Raine]

98. Because he's immature nt

[elizm]

102. Bill Clinton has LOST IT. He is done...

And he did it to himself. Very pathetic.

[Beacool]

103. The man is entitled to his opinion.

Bill is obviously hurt and angry that he was portrayed as a racist and he's entitled to feel that way. Bill may be many tings, but racist is not one of them.

The man has earned the right as a two term president to speak up and defend himself when he feels that he's been unfairly portrayed by the media or anyone else.

Yes, it's an election year, but there are plenty of other things happening in the world besides this election.

[gabby garcia]

107. if he does not get on board..

with our party's nominee - then he is essentially endorsing McCain.

it all comes down to putting HIS pride, his money, himself, before the good of the common people.
that's what makes me ill about it.

[Beacool]

108. He'll campaign for Obama, he already said so.

He'll probably do some events after the convention.

[David Zephyr]

110. Building drama for when Obama picks Hillary.

The ticket is already done.

[Yes We Did]

111. They're called sour grapes....

At this pace, they'll be raisins by noon.

[napoleon_in_rags]

113. Give him time.

In some ways this "clean break" could be good for us, let a younger generation hold the reigns a little bit while Clinton hangs back. He's a good man and will be remembered as such, and he will be on board, but let Obama define his new thing on his own. He doesn't need Clinton's blessings yet.

[Heather MC]

118. I am going to defend Bill alittle. I watched more of the interview

And in the beginning he did say some really nice things about supporting Barack that the MSM's are not showing.

Also he was in Africa at the time of the Interview, he may not be aware of McSame running around screaming Race Card here in the states at the time the interview was recorded.

Also he blamed the media for turning him into a racist not Obama.

We are being played in this situation, I did previously make post attacking Bill for his Comments but after seeing more of the interview, I think the MSM is screwing with us and we are falling for it.

[wowimthere]

120. Perhaps... anything is possible with this media cesspool... I just wish

Bill had have come right out and said... I support Obama wholeheartedly. The primaries were the past. I will do whatever it takes to get Obama in the White House.

That never came.