Clark Looking for a Female VP

[Killarney]

CBS - Clark reporter Bonney Kapp reports that Clark fueled a little more VP talk last week when he told reporters that he’d "be looking for a woman to be my running mate." He listed Carol Mosley Braun, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Barbara Boxer as examples of great women in politics, and then threw in the "new faces" – the female governors of Arizona and Michigan.

[Renew Deal]

1. Someone should tell him the lady from Michigan is Canadian.

Otherwise, lots of people like here. She even has good support at DU.

[Padraig18]

33. Oopsie!

1st thing I thought when I read the post, too, although she's rock-solid and A-OK with me. :)

[Scott Lee]

34. I guess Clark doesn't know the requirements of a VP in the United States.

This is what happens when military men try to run for public office. They often are not brought up to speed on basic civics.

[JohnKleeb]

Umm Scott it was a simple gaffe

I remember how you guys reacted to Dean's Soviet Union remarks. Both were simple gaffes honest.

[Renew Deal]

56. Didn't Dean once say we should sanction Vermont

or something like that?

[democratreformed]

68. No it wasn't. See post #35. n/t

[JohnKleeb]

80. well ok but its a mistake

People were complaining about people giving Dean a hard time for thinking the Soviet Union was still a country. Yet the same jump on Clark for this. Forget I said anything, its a minor mistake.

[drfemoe]

109. Did you happen to stick up for Dean

when that happened? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking.

OTOH . open debate is extremely important during the primary season. I'm all for it. We need to see these candidates up close and personal.

[Renew Deal]

52. That's disingenuous.

Maybe he doesn't know she was born in Canada? Is that possible? She doesn't exactly have a maple leaf stamped on her head. :shrug:

[WildThang]

108. naw . everyone knows he's planning to

rewrite the constitution (just like the current administration) .. allow foreigners to run for pres/vp .. restrict marriage .. outlaw free speech.. stuff like that.

This is only a gaffe because he forgot to mention the new constituion will allow whatever the COC says ...

[Lurking Dem]

90. The actual subject appears to have been

"great women in politics" not a list of all possible VPs.

[Name removed]

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[joefree1]

99. negative x 2?

You not helping the tone of this thread by your remarks either.I too have doubts about Clark as a government official. I don't have a knee jerk belief that Generals make great Presidents.

I am very worried about Clark regurgitating policy statements spoon fed to him by his advisor's. At least with Dean I'm getting the straight stuff even if it isn't Washington slick.


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[bain_sidhe]

118. Hello? It was a list of "notable women in politics" not VP candidates!

Sheesh.

[Boo Boo]

120. Don't worry...

Orin Hatch is going to fix that problem for us. :-)

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

2. smart move

as long as it's not Feinstein (and hopefully not Clinton either) - Braun, Barbara Lee or even Pelosi or Boxer would be great!!!

[evil_orange_cat]

6. I agree with you...

although I'm not sure that a woman would HELP Clark... he should choose the best person, regardless of sex... I don't like the idea that he is choosing a VP just for the sake of that person being a woman.

[knight_of_the_star]

75. Pelosi would be best

We shouldn't risk Boxer's seat in this fashion, because knowing how Clark will do against Bushie baby, Boxer would no longer be on the Senate and Arnie is likely to appoint a Repuke. With Nancy though, it is unlikely that he would be able to really get away with that.

[worldgonekrazy]

91. Not Braun

She's got too much controversy surrounding her. And even though people would probably say they would vote for a black female for VP, I suspect when it came down to it that many would not.

In fact, as much as I like the idea of a female VP, one ought to look at Mondale's campaign to see how successful that tactic has been in the past. Yeah, it is a different day and age and maybe the results would be different. I'm just saying that it is something to be wary about.

[CWebster]

3. Hillary, huh?

Who woulda thought....Why I am flabbergasted to hear of it.

[HFishbine]

9. Oh, yeah

Saw that one coming from a mile away. Would be suprised if he didn't pick her actually, if he gets the nom.

[knight_of_the_star]

76. BAD idea

Just think of all the vitriol the GOP would be able to dig up and throw at him for doing that.

[dave29]

4. Isn't that presumptious?

wait, we've already played this game.

How about this one: he doesn't poll well with women - so he's trying to fill in a perceived weakness?

No we've played that game too.

:wtf:

[funky_bug]

7. I agree

It is presumptious... but I said that two days ago when another camp started a link about when their candidate was going to announce his VP.

[democratreformed]

14. What game hasn't been played around here?

I would really look up to someone who could figure that one out.

[dave29]

18. shuffleboard?

I'm pretty sure I may have seen some of that at some point, though ;)

[democratreformed]

24. LOL! I am in awe of you, dave.

:)

[CWebster]

32. He doesn't poll well with the ladies?

Why they are smitten with their prince! Can't you hear their girlish sighs and breathless prattling over their dashing darling? They clutch their hankies to their heaving bosoms, with anguished glances, giggling nervously, as the debonier hero ascends the podium with a brisk salute to his manly troops and a wink to the swooning and enraptured weaker sex.

:loveya:

:evilgrin:

[dave29]

43. wow

you even turned me on ;)

:toast:

[spooky3]

54. they said that about Dan Quayle too

but it didn't help him in 1992. :-)

Ah, we like our political hunks to speak in complete sentences, so the good General definitely has the edge on Dan (and most other Repugs in that regard).

[demigoddess]

5. I vote for

Carol Mosley Braun, I like her fire and clarity and the fact that she is very smart and makes her points clearly and without a lot of politician type talk. But if Dean gets the nomination I think Wes Clark should be the VP nominee;.

[Walt Starr]

8. There's a MAJOR Clark gaffe

The female governor of Michigan is ineligible for the job. She was born in Canada and therefore cannot be the Vice President.

[KittyWampus]

17. On Parr With Saying Osama Should Be Presumed Not Guilty

but then quickly saying he deserves the Death Penalty...

Or issuing a veiled threat implying his supporters are non-transferrable...

Or saying Job is in the New Testament after lauding your knowledge on biblical matters...

:D

[Walt Starr]

20. I consider it far far worse

Considering Osama not guilty until proven innocent is the American standard of justice. Applying a death penalty if proven guilty would be consistent with the law.

Clark doesn't know the requirements for being president. That makes it questionable whether such a man should be president.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

23. Yawn

Your bias is showing again, Walt! This isn't a question of Clark not knowing the requirements of the Presidency, at worst it's a question of him not knowing the Governor of Michigan is a Canadian.

:eyes:

DTH

[eileen_d]

26. What a stretch.

Personally I think it's much funnier that Dean doesn't know that Job is a book in the Old Testament, but hell, I'll still vote for him if he's nominated. bwahahahaha

[Walt Starr]

27. Oh yes, knowledge of the Bible is soooo much more important than

knowledge of the constitution for a president.

:eyes:

NBD '04

[Jack_Dawson]

41. Walt, Seriously - that's a stretch

This reminds me of when Hannity tries to single-handedly invent an issue that has no merit and goes nowhere. I doubt if anyone outside of Michigan knew the governor was Canadian. Please.

:boring:

[Walt Starr]

44. Either he doesn't know consitutional law, or he didn't research somebody

he's considering for the Veep slot.

either way, it's a gaffe. Personally, I don't want a person like this with his finger on the button.

[Jack_Dawson]

48. Manufactured Hysteria much?

Walt...nobody cares. Only you care and I doubt even you care half as much as you pretend. Clark is a Rhodes Scholar and speaks four languages. Dean refers to places called the "Soviet Union". If we're going to worry about anyone's "finger on the button" it probably shouldn't be Clark's.


:boring:

[Walt Starr]

58. You're entitled to your opinion

As I am to mine.

No Clark for President. Not now, not ever.

NBD '04

[windansea]

81. Gaffeology 101

rule #1

those gaffes deemed sufficiently hilarious shall be parodied on SNL

SNL's writers are working furiously to develop skits based on the past months gaffe fest

SNL's producer reportedly offering 6 figure deal to Mike Myers to return and "do" Dean....

[Barbara917]

117. I didn't know

the gender of the Governor of Michigan much less the Nationality. Until Arnold I just sorta assumed Governors are Americans. Is that the first question you ask a person in government? Are you a naturalized citizen. People will make up all kinds of silly reasons to be against someone.

[KittyWampus]

64. Well, Dean's The One Who Touted Himself As Knowing The Bible Well

in the same comment he made his blunder.

[Walt Starr]

74. According to a post below, Clark is supposed to be a constitutional law

professor, yet he doesn't even know presidents must be natural born citizens undder the constitution!

[funky_bug]

83. Facts

1. Clark did not make any announcement of a VP spot... many posters have noted the transcript. He was listing notable women in politics.

2. That being FACT, it doesn't really matter where she was born.

[joefree1]

100. Hee hee, funny

Knowledge of the bible is way down the list from knowledge about the Constitution I would think. But then I'm a pagan.:eyes:

[burning bush]

103. You Just Dont Get It

On Parr With Saying Osama Should Be Presumed Not Guilty
but then quickly saying he deserves the Death Penalty...

Duh. I would hope that any candidate would say that he/she believes in innocense till guilt is proven. What is wrong with this basic Constitutional right?

Of course, anyone who was found guilty of the 9/11 slaughter would deserve no less than the death penalty. You can't understand the difference?

Your post is just plain stupid.

Or issuing a veiled threat implying his supporters are non-transferrable...

Not a gaffe. It's the truth. A portion of Dean's support IS non-transferrable, thanks in no small part to posts like yours.

Or saying Job is in the New Testament after lauding your knowledge on biblical matters...

Did Dean "laud his knowledge?" Care to post a link? I may be wrong on this, but I don't recall him ever lauding his biblical knowledge.

And, even if he did, I'd rather work with a candidate that doesn't remember the details of the Christian Bible than a candidate who doesn't remember the details of the American Constitution, or who thinks that innocent until proven guilty is a "gaffe."

As I said in the subject line, you just don't get it.

[Mattforclark]

21. Ummm, no...

He said that she was a great example of women in politics, not that she would be a great VP.

[killbotfactory]

22. How can we elect someone ignorant of constitutional law?

my, oh, my!

[Walt Starr]

28. DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!

Give that poster a cigar!

[Mattforclark]

37. Nope

If he is considering her as VP, it is not necessarily true that he is ignorant of the constitutional requirement that VP be a natural born citizen. He could also be ignorant of the fact that she is not a natural born citizen.

In any case, it is not known that he is considering her as VP, it is only known that he considers her to be a good example of the positive role women can and do play in politics.

[Walt Starr]

39. Even bigger gaffe, then

He's considering somebody for the VEEP slot without having this information? What a poor way to make decisions. I don't want a man who doesn;t get his facts straight first to have his finger on the button!

[Mattforclark]

50. Yet again, no

"What a poor way to make decisions. I don't want a man who doesn;t get his facts straight first to have his finger on the button!"

He hasn't made any decision of which I am aware. In any case, I think that it is acceptable to be ignorant of something (that a particular person is Canadian). I do not expect my president to be omniscient.



Repeat:

"In any case, it is not known that he is considering her as VP, it is only known that he considers her to be a good example of the positive role women can and do play in politics."

Go back and read the first post in this thread.

[Walt Starr]

60. You're free to have that opinion

KArl Rove will slam Clark with this time and again, just after he trots out the tapes of Clark praising Bush*.

[Mattforclark]

65. You make no sense

What on the face of the earth are you talking about???? Slam him with what??? Did you read the first post?

[Walt Starr]

69. The fact that he either does not know constitutional law or

he doesn't fully research those he might consider for important positions.

It's one or the other. It's a Clark gaffe.

I can see it now, "Best Clark Gaffes" lon ABC.

This argument makes every bit as much sense as every attack on Dean over every one of his alleged "gaffes". It uses the exact same logic.

[Mattforclark]

77. Once more resounding no

"The fact that he either does not know constitutional law or he doesn't fully research those he might consider for important positions.

It's one or the other. It's a Clark gaffe."

No, that is factually incorrect. I will repost the relevant parts of the original post for your convenience, since you seem to have not read it.

"He listed Carol Mosley Braun, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Barbara Boxer as examples of great women in politics, and then threw in the "new faces" – the female governors of Arizona and Michigan."

It says, "as examples of great women in politics," not "as good vice presidents" or something along those lines. Do you understand now?

[Crunchy Frog]

105. No

I honestly don't believe that he will ever understand. Arguing with him is completely pointless. He's made up his mind and there is absolutely nothing that you could say that would alter his opinion one iota. I would be willing to bet cold hard cash on that.

[knight_of_the_star]

88. Excuse me, but

He wasn't saying possible VP selections. He was naming off prominent women in politics in relation to saying he's looking into a female VP. Bit of a difference there. Then again, you would know all about spinning because of Dean, since his position on IWR was exactly the same as Kerry's, yet somehow he's anti-war while Kerry is pro-war. No spin there, huh?

[karlschneider]

114. Try some decaf, Walt. Jesus...

:eyes:

[HFishbine]

30. You mean like the Fourth Amendment? (n/t)

[Tom Rinaldo]

38. Very silly

"gotcha" at it's worst. The truth is Clark taught constitutional law. He knows more about it than 95% of politicians. You caught him on either not knowing, or momentarily forgetting, that she is a Canadian by birth. No biggie, silly to try to make it into one.

[sfecap]

51. He taught Constitutional law?

Wow. He's done everything! How many degrees does he have? 15? 20?

I heard he singlehandedly designed the Space Shuttle, too. (On the back of a napkin...)

Is that true?

[Walt Starr]

57. He can do everything

Why not just make him Master of the Universe? After all, HE'S GOT THE POWER!!!

[sfecap]

67. Whudda guy!

And he's dreamy! (sigh....)

[Walt Starr]

70. I call foul on your last post!

You failed to trot out the obligatory Clark in a Speedo picture!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

97. Oh, Brother

See ya, Walt. I had held out some hope for you based on your past changes of mind, but I just don't have time for stuff like this.

DTH

[Walt Starr]

104. I'm sorry if you take humbrage with my post

I still feel it was a gaffe on sfecap's part to not post the obligatory Clark in a speedo shot when swooning over him.

[neverforget]

78. I thought that was your guy Dean? NBD right?

[Walt Starr]

82. Um, this is a literary device

It's called sarcasm.

[HFishbine]

73. Umm, the Fourth Amendment, not Article II

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

[knight_of_the_star]

86. Ummmm

Relevance to VP selection is...

[HFishbine]

93. Zero

Very relevant to respect for the Constitution.

[poopyjr]

79. Yeah, except he DIDNT refer to her as a potential VP

read the article.

[Turkw]

122. the only gaff is by the Clark bashers- it is a list of notable Women

you have the power to look at things objectively IF YOU CHOOSE TO!

or you can nit pick and use the excuse of demanding purity to trash those whom you simply have chosen not to support.

[BOSSHOG]

10. Mary Landrieu would be a bush ass kicker

and the Governor of Michigan is awesome. She does not qualify to be President (per constitutional statute), however Cheney did not qualify to be Vice President (per constitutional statute). "The rule of law", thus sayeth the gop. Let us not play their game, let us beat them within the rules.

[leyton]

31. Why

does Cheney not qualify to be Vice President?

[bschoech]

45. Cheney doesn't qualify to be VP

because the Constitution says that the President and Vice President aren't allowed to be from the same state; Bush and Cheney are both from Texas. To circumvent that little rule, Cheney pretended to live in Wyoming for the 2000 election. It isn't technically legit, though.

[BOSSHOG]

46. The constitution states

the P and the VP can not be from the same state. Cheney was a resident of Texas and employed by halliburton when bush, a resident of texas, chose him as VP. Cheney, with nary a concern for the constitution, and the "man" chosen by bush to pick a VP candidate, conveniently made his residence Wyoming. Conservatives could not give a flying dog fuck for the constitution. Ergo, choose Granholm and make residency an issue.

[evil_orange_cat]

11. yikes, I don't like the idea of Mosley-Braun

she couldn't even win re-election for her Senate seat here in Illinois... a Democratic powerhouse state...

[Jack_Dawson]

12. Of those, CMB would have my vote

Or Peggy Noonan. She could come around.

[AntiCoup2K4]

96. Piggy Noonan?? Jack, you can't be serious!!

The evil wench who scripted some of Reagan's biggest lies, as our VP???

[Jack_Dawson]

98. LOL - Just something to brighten your day

as if! I wonder if she's forgiven Chris Matthews yet.

[KittyWampus]

13. Clark Corrected Himself The Other Day

when talking about how a President should do somthing or other...

Clark said "He".... and then quickly interjected "She".

[bowens43]

15. Huh?

announcing that the primary qualification for VP will be a persons sex seems like a really stupid move to me. I'm starting to think that being a Rhodes scholar isn't necessarily an indication of intelligence. If he intended to select a woman why not just do it without making sex an issue? He has made this look like more opportunistic pandering, he has cheapened the office of VP for anyone who would be his running mate.

[Kayla]

16. This sounds like one of those

trial balloons...

If he really does it, though, I would go for Pelosi. She has a lot to offer and she would be replaced in the congress by a democrat because her district is a good one.

Not sure how serious this is, though...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

19. This Meshes Perfectly With His Strong Support of Women in the Military

He often DEMANDED that more officers of color and women be assigned to his command. He was a strong mentor of both, and he was never afraid to buck the traditional, male-dominated military or worry about what his peers would say: he did it because it was the right thing to do.

This is yet another reason why General Clark would be a wonderful President.

DTH

[JNelson6563]

25. is that a "gaffe" then?

The governor of Michigan? haha

We'd run her at the head of the ticket if she were born here....

Julie

[elfin]

29. maybe that representative from California

who is on Homeland Security Committee? Always forget her name and nearly always like her when she appears on pol. talk shows. I know it is not Jennifer Harmon - but something like that. Blondish, attracive and VERY smart and concise.

[Killarney]

35. For those who didn't read it... Clark said

those women listed were "great women in politics," not women under consideration by him for VP. He didn't name anyone under consideration.

So, no mistake on the Michigan thing. He never said he wanted her as VP.

[Mattforclark]

53. Precisely. Everyone should read your post. n/t

[returnable]

66. Kick

I just posted the same thing elsewhere in the thread. But I see you beat me to it :toast:

[Clark4VotingRights]

115. Thanks for giving us the facts Killarney

There are so few great people in politics of any gender,
it's nice to acknowledge them.

[sfecap]

36. I hope it's Sen. Clinton!

That would be a good choice.

[Larkspur]

40. This sounds like a lame and lazy attempt by Clark to close his gender gap

which is a gaping hole in his support.

[salinen]

47. Clark needs to choose

someone who holds no office because we cannot afford a single seat in the house or senate.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

55. *very* good point

...

[fricasseed_gourmet_rat]

42. Hillary.

"Clark/Clinton '04" has a ring to it.

Nevertheless I still support Dean.

[Clark4VotingRights]

49. Gee, not to be sexest (I'm a female), but I don't think this is the time

For a bold "first" like a woman VP.
I'd be happy to just have him pick the traditional male
VP, and get us back to the point where we don't have a white
house swarming with goose-steppers.

I'd love it if Clark's choice was Eliot Spitzer!
What a team that would be.

[Journeyman]

61. Right you are, C4VR. . .

let's win back the country first, then we can work on improving it.

[Killarney]

71. I respectfully disagree

I think it's high time we had a female VP.

Give the country more credit. I think a female VP would help, not hinder our ticket, no matter who our candidate for president is (Clark, Dean, etc.). I think America is ready for a female VP and would support a qualified one.

I know I would. It's about f*cking time, IMO.

[Adjoran]

59. Hillary won't do it

She promised to serve out her term . . . if she were drafted for Prez, she might consider that a pressing reason to renege on her pledge, but not for the second banana spot, no way.

Feinstein or Jane Harman, both of CA, would be excellent choices. However, I think the nominee will need a VP who can help in a key state or maybe two. If we need help in CA or NY, we're in big trouble.

For the record, I think it is a bad idea to discuss running mates until a candidate has cinched the nomination.

Although I loved the Orrin Hatch line from the repub primaries of 2000, when he was asked about Bush, who was the overwhelming frontrunner and had boatloads of cash collected: "He's a nice young man. I would certainly consider him for Vice President; the experience will be good for him."

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

62. A big NO WAY IN HELL to Feinswine

Harman would be execellent however.

[worldgonekrazy]

95. I disagree

It could be Hillary's ticket to the White House. Get in as Clark's VP in 2004 and then run for President in 2008 (possible agreement with Clark for him to not run for second term) or 2012.

Having said that, I think it is moot because I do believe Dr. Dean will get the nom.

[returnable]

63. What gaffe?

You folks are REALLY stretching:

"He listed Carol Mosley Braun, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Barbara Boxer as examples of great women in politics, and then threw in the "new faces" – the female governors of Arizona and Michigan."

Uh, he namechecked her as a great woman on the political landscape.

I don't see anywhere that she'd be an actual choice for VP.

If someone could provide a link to the contrary, I'd like to see it.

Thanks :hi:

[DemExpat]

72. That would be fabulous.

I wish it could be Hillary.....but not sure if that would be an asset or liability in the election.

:kick:

DemEx

[goddess40]

84. only if he wants to lose

Sorry but Americans are still pretty sexist and a female VP would scare too many voters off.

[Powerlock]

85. Hm if this is true

Of clark and dean I would now prefer Clark.

I think it's wrong to choose someone else for a position over another because of gender, but I think it's about time we had some diversity in the executive.

[dave29]

87. For the record

I don't think any candidate has ruled out a female VP. And, lest we forget, there is also a woman currently running for our party's presidential nomination, and she's pretty groovy herself.

[Eric J in MN]

116. If Clark said this last week, why wasn't it news at the time?

If Clark said this last week, why wasn't it news at the time?

Why is there no date or place of Clark saying this in the article?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/26/politics/main502099.shtml

[mndemocrat_29]

89. Mary Landrieu would be the best candidate here

She's a smart, southern woman who has been elected twice and is viewed as a moderate. Plus, she's strongly opposed to Bush and we can just keep replaying that clip of her and Orrin Hatch during the fillibuster and the campaign donations will pour in.

Other Democratic women:

Blanche Lincoln-But she needs to run for reelection

Dianne Feinstein-She's getting up there in years and this would be the last time she'd likely be considered

Kathleen Sebelius and Janet Napolitano-They're future presidents, but need to be two-termers first

Loretta Sanchez, Jane Harman, and Ellen Tauscher-If any of the three run for and win the governor's mansion or DiFi's Senate seat, they'll be future contenders.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

94. Tauscher is GREAT!!!

Pick her!!!

[Cheswick2.0]

101. Ummm, does he know the law?

Only native born citizens can be Pres or VP.
Does he really think he can pander to me as a woman? He isn't doing well with women in the polls, pretending he will choose a woman is not going to win me over.

[returnable]

102. Ummm, do you know how to read?

He didn't mention her as a VP candidate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=66067&mesg_id=66246&page=

:hi:

[IndianaGreen]

106. Carol Mosley-Braun would be great!

Hillary would be a bad idea for two reasons:

1. It will give ammo to those that say the Wes Clark is a puppet of the Clintons.

2. Hillary voted for PATRIOT Act and for IWR.

We also have several fine women with legislative and executive experience that are not burdened by having supported Bush's infringement on our civil liberties or a criminal war.

[TexasSissy]

107. Something about this doesn't sound right.

It might be true, but something about it doesn't sound right.

[FrenchieCat]

110. DO YOU

HAVE A LINK?

I always hate to argue petty issues without a link.

Considering that Clark says he wouldn't mind a female VP....I think that is the greatest thing about all of this! But of course some see the tree and not the forest, again.

Maybe it will be Hillary.

Apart from that, I don't give a shit about whether one person, not named....in the article with no link.....is from Canada....

Grow up DUers...and stop being triffling (word used in the black community meaning people talking about nothing cause they have nothing to talk about.....other than fucking with others).

[Killarney]

112. HERE'S THE LINK

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/26/politics/main502099.shtml

It's pretty far down the page. Begins with CBS News in bold.

[Lisa0825]

111. This makes me uneasy for a couple reasons...

1) I sincerely hope that if he gets the nom and chooses a woman, it is NOT Hillary. She is far too polarizing still, and I think she'd be the best way to rally the right wing and get them to the polls.

2) As much as I'd love to see a woman in the office, I don't think this is the right time. There are still too many chauvanists out there, and I think this would push a lot of fence sitters off on the wrong side. They would see a woman on the ticket as not strong enough to lead us in wartime. But then again, strong women are still as seen as bitches by most of society, sad but true, a persistent total double standard. I don't think our chances are as good with a woman, THIS time, but I would hope that it won't be too much more in the future.

[FrenchieCat]

113. If Clark chose Hillary...

I don't see a problem at all. As a woman...our time is long overdue, I say.

Please know that when you have a General with mucho foreign policy experience....you don't need to plug the macho hole in your resume.....

Clark is the best candidate to be able to nominate a woman....

He is an Alpha male, after all!

He doesn't need another man on the ticket, even during wartime!

[billbuckhead]

121. When is going to be the right time?

Clark-Landrieu?

[Turkw]

123. Don't worry, the chauvinists will be voting Bush, with the Racists and

the homophobes. Anybody with a brain and a desire for all Americans to be treated equally will vote for Clark.

[webkev]

119. ha ha!

great thinking..it's about time we had a woman in one of the top spots