Bush has gotten our party to condemn MoveOn. That is power.

[madfloridian]

No, this is not a political game here.....good cop bad cop. This is just plain giving in and letting them set the agenda.

Way to go.

[Lerkfish]

1. link?

please?

[madfloridian]

8. I can't link to TV.

I have heard several of them do it. I know people here have as well.

[Fovea]

2. Tell me you are kidding

OH HOW SAD.

[noahmijo]

3. Um how so?

I haven't any member of the DNC denounce Moveon.org

If you're referring to Kerry condemning the Moveon.org ad obviously you're not catching the strategy behind it.

[trumad]

10. are you guys not paying attention?

within the last couple of days Kerry reps have been on saying that Kerry has denounced 527's and MoveOn. They're muddling the message. Kerry hasn't denounced MoveOn but the Dem Reps are not making that clear with thier lack of knowledge about the issue.

[Democat]

4. Kerry is not playing as hard of ball as we expected

Maybe the MoveOn condemnation is part of a strategy that has yet to play out. Maybe not.

He's letting Bush and his allies be on offense while he plays defense.

Hopefully that will change soon.

[trumad]

5. Agreed

and the shame of it is is that the dem talking points are easy to learn and say... MoveOn is truthful, Swifties are lying scumbags.

[Trajan]

6. I want evidence of this ....

Not personal anecdote or opinion ...

[trumad]

11. Watch the fucking TV

Christ... Just watch our talking heads give in to the repukes when they denounce 527's IE MoveON... They say yes, 527's should be regulated and denounced...I've seen it several times in the last couple of days.

[Trajan]

26. Perhaps I dont watch as much TV as you have ....

But all I have seen talking about denouncing '527's' is the GOP .... NO one I have seen is bending to the stupid meme that ALL 527's are 'bad' because the SBL's 527 is full of liars ...

[seabeyond]

7. i havent heard any dems going after 527

i have heard them go after the lying in the swift ad

[trumad]

12. It's not them going after 527's

It's them not countering the repukes effectivally when they go after them.... They are agreeing with the repukesd that MoveOn should be denounced right along with the swifties...

[seabeyond]

15. they have been clear only certain ads

when they thought they went to the personal attack, that doesnt go with what kerry is presenting. and those two ads, this last one about bush ng and awol and the hilter ad were the two kerry called

now i like this cause they are saying dont need to take them all out, but the person running has a responsibility to call if they dont support the message

why i like, the mccain/fiengold law sides with repug, we need 527. we just have to walk this in integirty to keep 527 yet also hold whomever responsible. not allow the swift boat...........i dont think the moveon ad over the line, but kerry called it anyway

[madfloridian]

21. The Bush AWOL one was true, the Hitler ad never was....

They need to be informed that MoveOn never allowed the ad contributed about Hitler to be aired. It was the RNC who aired it.

I heard one Democrat months ago say that about the Hitler ad, they made it clear. They need to be informed.

[seabeyond]

22. madfloridian i agree the hitler ad, was all repugs to taint

move on. yup. adn when i heard gergen say last night moveon not true saying daddy helped get him into national guard and there was no evidence, i sat up in bed.

uh hu i told husband. plenty of evidence to know daddy got bushie boy in.

i agree these two ads, one never shown, to far for move on a perfect example of them monitoring themselves,...........and then calling the other ad, not because not true, but because PERSONAL attack kerry didnt want to go to. repug and media saying not true

[Southsideirish]

9. I was horrified when I heard that McCain asked Kerry to recant

the ad and he did it. What the hell is going on here? It sounds like we have a Kerry/McCain ticket in theory if not actually.
Oh, to have a man who knows how to set the agenda and defend it and not allow the Bush crowd to constantly pull him off message.

[sidestreamer]

13. On the bright side, we got Bush to disavow the Swift Vets, sort of...

Perhaps we're seeing a tit-for-tat between the Dems and Repubs here?

[Hoping4Change]

14. Repukes never concede an inch . Dems bend over backward

to appear reasonable. Dems operate on the belief that they will appear more ethical and score points but I don't think most Americans respect ethical behaviour. IMO most Americans respect in your face aggression, a never-say-die posture. Listen to the opinions about Hamm, most Americans like his attitude. It is his medal but he certainly did not take the high road and no one is faulting him.

[Southsideirish]

16. Dems like to be above the fray. They don't dwell down there in

gutter with the gutter snipes. They ride tall white horses and their robes are at least 12" from the filth and slime - they measured them! That way they get to traipse through the nasty crowd, riding blithely along.
Yes, Virginia, they lost but they never got their hands dirty.

[trumad]

19. It has nothing to o wih being above th frey

We just have to have better talking points, that's a... And the 527 talking points are easy....

[Hoping4Change]

23. They may have talking points but their delivery sucks.

Repukes emote and get listeners fired up and that works. IMHO the high road is great in a one-on-one situation but on TV or radio an attitude of disengagement appears as an inablity to stand toe to toe.

It remeinds me of a kid who is being bullied in a schoolyard. The kid can either punch the bully in the nose or take the high road and walk away. Personally I think its better to take the bully head on. Its only by doing this the bully gets knocked down to size. There is no one on the Dem side knocking repuke bullies down to size.

[jonnyblitz]

18. "the high road" it's called. n/t

[Democat]

20. The low road led the Repubs to control all three braches of government

Maybe it's time we learned a fucking lesson.

It's not the high road when you lose and let the right wing destroy the country and the world.

Who's fighting for the little guy when we let the right wing win because we don't want to get dirty?

[madfloridian]

17. Wait until after the event tonight in NYC with MoveOn and celebs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27095-2004Aug23.html

They will be bombarded with questions by the rightwing press and will have to decide how to handle it.

[Dr. Mullion Blasto]

24. Here is a link to Kerry's repudiation

of the Move On ad:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0818-03.htm

Kerry Condemns Anti-Bush Ad
'This should be a campaign of issues, not insults,' the Democrat says after MoveOn attacks president's Air National Guard record.
by Richard Simon


"WASHINGTON — Sen. John F. Kerry took a cue from Sen. John McCain on Tuesday and denounced a television ad by one of his allies attacking President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard.

In the latest twist in an ongoing debate about military credentials, Kerry condemned the new ad by the MoveOn political action committee, even though it was produced in response to an ad questioning Kerry's Vietnam War record."


It was posted on Common Dreams about a week ago, but was originally reported in the LA Times.

By the way, Bush has never denounced the Swift Boat ads even when specifically asked to do so. He has expressed the opinion that all 527 activities should be condemned. Obviously, this opinion should not be treated seriously by Democrats, since right now most of our best stuff is being produced by such groups.

Maybe there is some grand plan at work here, but I cannot see it, and it just looks weak and wimpy to be constantly genuflecting toward propriety and high-mindedness and dumping on the only friends you have.

[Dick_Tuck]

25. No one will shut down Move On....

Move On is a REAL grassroots organization. If Jesus Christ returned to earth and said shut it down, the response would be "lets put it up for the members".

Before anyone busting the chops of Move On, I suggest people look at some of Bush's own 527s. How about the organization that tried to stop the recount in Florida?