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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:00 AM
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In a Changing Corner of Pennsylvania, a Glimpse of Obama's Age Problem
WP: In a Changing Corner of Pa., a Glimpse of Obama's Age Problem
By Alec MacGillis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 12, 2008; Page A04
LANCASTER, Pa.

....If the senator from Illinois is going to achieve his goal of bridging the nation's divides, he is going to have to overcome a generation gap with older voters unlike any such split a Democratic presidential nominee has faced in years. Even as younger voters are showing signs of breaking with years of lackluster turnout to support him, Obama is facing singular resistance from voters over 65. That age group turns out at the highest rate on Election Day and is disproportionately represented in the swing states of Florida and Pennsylvania; Bill Clinton and Al Gore both relied on it in winning the Democrats' only popular-vote majorities of the past two decades.

With polls showing Obama dominating among those under 40 and running even among middle-aged voters, Republican John McCain's lead among those 65 and older is the main reason he remains close overall. His margin is largest among older white voters without a college education, accounting for much of Obama's problem with the white working class. Obama has tried to compensate by proposing a tax cut for seniors, which was criticized by economists. But as (Gene) Rutherford's comments suggest and surveys show, Obama's challenge goes deeper than a new proposal or two -- an approach that worked for Clinton against George H.W. Bush and Robert J. Dole.

Surveys and interviews suggest that older voters think McCain, who will turn 72 this month, comes far closer than Obama, 47, to sharing their values and outlook on the world and on the changes in the nation over the past half-century....



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Demographers have for decades noted a conservative bent in McCain's age cohort, roughly those born between 1930 and 1945, who came of age in the relatively serene Eisenhower years. Even as their views have changed over time, members of this generation have remained notably more conservative than those who followed....

McCain hails from an America that exalted service to country, and he is the scion of a military family who endured five years in enemy captivity and who preaches a mantra of personal honor and of the nation over the individual -- "Country First," as his campaign slogan declares. His wife is conspicuously reserved at his side; he does not communicate by e-mail and only recently learned to use the Internet; even his roguish sense of humor carries echoes of the more chauvinistic 1950s of his youth.

Obama's embodiment of a newer America begins but hardly ends with the fact that he would be the first black president. In a country where people liked to know where you were from, Obama lacks a ready answer -- he is part Hawaii, part Kansas, part Chicago. In a recent speech in Berlin, he declared himself a "citizen of the world." He came of age after the draft and was shaped by the modern meritocracies of premier universities. While McCain has served 26 years in Congress and has run for president before, Obama contends with the perception that he has shot to the top without putting in his time. He and his wife exemplify the contemporary marriage of professional equals. His campaign thrives on the Internet and is very much about his appeal as an individual, with iconic posters and YouTube compilations. If he shares anything with the America of yore, it is that he likes to smoke cigarettes....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081102203_pf.html

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:14 AM
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1. McCain's popularity among older voters has a lot to do with racism...
In registering people to vote, I've met many older Pennsylvanians who can barely hide the fact that they won't consider Obama because of his race ~ Rendell got that part right.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:31 AM
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5. Yes, let's be honest the 65+ group
is very comfortable with their racism and wishing that the societal changes we have endured these last 40 years didn't happen.

This is of course with the exception of our wonderful older DUers. :P :-)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:16 AM
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11. Well, DUers are considerably more evolved than most! :)
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:23 AM
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12. Quote from an 85-year-old Dem of my
acquaintance: "What the hell is the matter with the Democrats? They're handing the election over to that lousy McCain by nominating a black man."

I don't think - very regretfully - that sentiment is too uncommon among older white voters. Yep, racism has a lot to do with it.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:24 AM
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2. Thank you for sharing your concern.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:30 AM
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4. Are you suggesting that I'm a troll???
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 09:33 AM by DeepModem Mom
Do we want to be unaware or not at all informed about problems our candidate might have among parts of the electorate? I reject that head-in-the-sand attitude.

ON EDIT: If you want some positive news, try this article I posted before this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6624275
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:25 AM
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9. it happened to me too. i once read here that we dems eat our own...
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 10:25 AM by nc4bo
in some cases its true.

I refuse to put my head in the sand. I want to know every low down dirty trick the GOP tries to hides under its sheet of lies and call attention to it when I see it.

No way, no how are we going to lose in '08.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:38 AM
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10. Get em DM !
The article has a lot of glaring bias in it but thanks for posting just the same.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:28 PM
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20. Probably better to thank the good ol WaPo for *their* concern.
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:12 AM
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7. "Old people need to die out"
Tell us how you feel about that when you yourself reach 75, kid.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:32 AM
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6. Not much that you are going to do about the oldsters!
Trust me. My mom (71years old)is visiting from Florida. Her hobby is Fox news and she loves to laugh at segments that belittle the Obama family. Not a *amn thing Obama is going to do to change that. But hey, it's not his problem. I am sure that mom would have enjoyed Hill just as much. Peace, Kim
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:15 AM
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8. Alternative headline: The old white people are more comfortable with the old white guy
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:27 AM
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13. Excuse me, but a 1945 Baby Boomer, who is now 62/63, is in no way like a pre-WWII 72-year-old.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 11:30 AM by WinkyDink
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:30 AM
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14. I agree that there's a direct relationship to how old the generation is and how many racists...
are in it, as has been alluded to elsewhere in this thread. I think it's pretty obvious that, the further we go on, the more tolerant people become, and that is a very good thing.


That said, we need to keep in mind that the people -- yes, even the white people -- who took up the fight for civil rights in the 50s and 60s are, in many cases, now in this 65+ age group.

Are there more racists who are older than 65 than racists who are ages 18-29? Absolutely. But that age group also includes many people who advanced the cause of civil rights in ways that, due to those successes, the people of my generation could never hope to match.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:05 PM
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18. That whole generation likes to take credit for the civil rights movement after the fact
but how many of them were really actively involved? They are showing their true colors now.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:20 PM
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19. Like I said, as a whole, I'm sure there's more old racists than young ones...
I'm just saying that it'd be wrong to discount the incredible gains made by that generation in the face of the bigotry displayed by some members in it. And I really doubt that people who fought for civil rights in the 60s are now showing their "true colors" as racists. I'm sure the people are not one and the same.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:25 PM
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15. Lots of crotchety oldsters out there...They're still upset about answering machines.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:38 PM
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16. Obama stands in stark contrast to the "wrinkly white-haired dude."
When Obama starts working the heartland and people get to know him better (sans the negative image of him the Clintonistas painted in the primary), I think Obama will provide voters with enough information for an informed vote on the issues dispelling any notion of an age "problem."
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:40 PM
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17. Old white folks aren't thrilled about the black candidate? I'm shocked.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:28 PM
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21. I know, right? Who woulda ever thunk it.
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