the vice presidency is not worth a bucket of warm piss

[unblock]

the selection of a vice-presidential candidate, is, first and foremost, an opportunity to make a colossal mistake.

beyond that, as far as the election goes, having avoided making a major mistake, it usually doesn't matter. people vote the top of the ticket. gone are the days when a veep choice could at least be expected to deliver their home state.

eventually, the veep could, of course, become president, be it via the 25th amendment or an "heir apparent" subsequent run. but that really doesn't play influence votes. the top of the ticket WILL be president, the number 2 MAY become president.

so CHILL OUT with regarding the veep selection. it's the news of the day, but most people really don't think it matters.


the one thing i will say is that taking a senator for veep means losing that spot in the senate.we have razor thin control now, and while we're expected to pick up several, i'd hate to sacrifice one. even if we keep the seat with a replacement democrat, we'll still lose the experience and clout. i'd rather keep our senators where they are.

[Captain Hilts]

1. Boy...

am I ever glad I had a back-up for the vice president. John wasn't worth a bucket of warm piss - FDR

[DJ13]

2. I think it was spit

But piss works too I guess!

[unblock]

3. (When a reporter changed "piss" to "spit" for taste reasons, Garner called him a "pantywaist.")

http://www.newsweek.com/id/56898

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nance_Garner

[Parche]

4. Tell That To John Tyler

:woohoo: :hi:

[Alexander]

5. You realize if Garner had stayed on, he would've been president, right?

Oh, the irony.

:eyes:

[rove karl rove]

6. so you don't want the VP to be culled from the Senate?

http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/20/barack-obama-chooses-kathleen-sebelius-for-vice-president/

Doubt it will, but I'd disagree with you about how much the VP pick means with regards to McCain - he is already ancient, his VP should be puit under a microscope.

[paulk]

7. tell that to Dick Cheney

[unblock]

8. as if cheney isn't a reflection of shrub?

to the extent that shrub wanted evil things done, i'm sure he's pleased with cheney. had he chosen a less (evilly) effective vice-president, i have no doubt shrub would have found someone else to do his evil bidding. there's nothing that i see cheney has done that isn't entirely consistent with shrub's aims.

alternatively, if you subscribe to the view that shrub is doofus and an easily manipulated empty moran, well, someone else would have wound up being the one to pull his strings. i don't see a shrub administration being much different even in an alternate universe where someone else was veep.

[paulk]

12. but Cheney's reign kind of puts the lie to the idea that the VP

is worth a "bucket of spit".

Personally, I think Al Gore's time in that office does also.

We've had 16 years now of Vice Presidents who were more than water boys for their Presidents.

[XemaSab]

9. There's a real possibility that McLame will not live out his term

I think the vice presidential selections matter.

[unblock]

10. mclame's veep selection won't matter for the simple reason that HE'S GONNA LOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!

[ColesCountyDem]

11. "...people vote the top of the ticket...."

You get a gold star!

:thumbsup: