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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:18 PM
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Some hope for Clark as VP?
I like this article!

On August 19, major Democratic blogs and operatives claimed that retired general Wesley Clark, besides not speaking at the convention, is not even invited to attend! Can you imagine the highest ranking retired Military officer who has been one of the most stalwart and earliest supporters of Barack Obama not being allowed to speak or even attend the Democratic National Convention? Don't buy it.


read the whole thing it's well worth it for those of us who are clark supporters

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/970064/will_the_democrats_pull_a_rabbit_out.html
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:21 PM
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1. I haven't stopped hoping for it.
The so-called "short list" is just the pundits' picks. It is nothing the Obama camp has released, so as far as I can tell, Obama can pick anybody. I think the fact that Clark is not yet on the convention schedule is a very good sign, and while I have not been hashing it out here, I have continued to hope he is chosen.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:21 PM
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2. Let's hope so
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:21 PM
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3. While I would have no problem with Clark as VP
I would think lying about being out of the country during convention week would be a bit much. As far as the "not being invited" business, that's pure mediawhore spin.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:23 PM
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6. Perhaps he'll speak via satelite from Iraq or Georgia or ?
:shrug:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:24 PM
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10. The general said he was scheduled to be in Milan....which could be absolutely true
and could also be changed.

I don't think it will be though, his son (or someone who says he's his son) at KOS said that he offered to be there if needed, but wasnt asked to come. And that his dad hadn't been dissed. Agree with you totally about the media spin, it's been on overdrive the past week or so.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:27 PM
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13. When Clark was asked....
He hedged on the issue of Italy a bit, he said, at the time, the details on the Convention had not yet been finalized.

It was interesting. There is a transcript somewhere on DU with him on this issue, it was during the Rachel Maddow show I believe.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:21 PM
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4. Hmmm
Just when I had gotten the Obama / Clark dream out of my head... a glimmer of hope? :woohoo:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:22 PM
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5. I hope there is truth to this being strategy.
I generally don't get my way when it comes to VP picks, so ???? ;)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:23 PM
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7. I hate to say this -- because I really really really would love to see Clark as VP
but his son wrote in his Kos diary that his dad was not going to speak at the convention, was not in the running for VP, and most likely would not be part of an Obama administration.

I don't have the link, but it should be easy to find.

If he's correct, and I believe Wes Jr more than I believe bloggers and other speculators, then it breaks my heart and makes me furious. It is inexcusable for Obama not to utilize Clark - I just don't understand it. :(


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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:31 PM
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15. I am not sure Wes Jr. would necessarily be in the know...
given the need for absolute secrecy as to the choice or even those on the short-list, the REAL short-list as opposed to the MSM creation.

It could also be a deliberate red-herring.

It could be Wes Jr. has it right.

LOL, in the end, I know I don't have a friggin clue who it will be and I am happy with that!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:37 PM
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21. I'm almost sorry I read the Wes Jr thing --
because it made me give up hope (regardless of whether it's accurate or not, that's the effect it had on me.) Instead, I'm now really angry at Obama because of what I now believe is probably the truth.

Anyway, it's not over 'til it's over!


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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:54 PM
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22. Don't blame the Obama campaign or Wes Jr.....
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 12:55 PM by Spazito
the Obama campaign had to play it close to the vest and throw out red-herrings to the ever-sniffing media and if Wes Jr. knew he would have to play that game as well.

If Wes Jr. didn't know, his anger would be justified, he and his dad are very close and the very idea his dad was, as far as he knew, not even invited to the Convention would be considered a big insult.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:24 PM
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8. I would LOVE it - imo Clark had it 100% right. It would be great if the "dissing" was staged.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:24 PM
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9. I would love it to be Clark
but I don't consider him to be one of Obama's "earliest" supporters, as the author of this piece calls him.
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silverlil Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:34 PM
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17. I am hoping for Wes Clark
At this point I agree with Bill Mayer about what he said on Larry King Live Tuesday night with the polls changing downwards to Obama and that he thinks Obama should seriously consider bringing in Hillary Clinton. He also said he was losing patience with Obama, and I feel exactly the same way. Obama is losing ground and I dont see any bump out of the convention because it is straight on towards the republican convention. I will definitely vote again for Obama, just like I did in February, but I have not liked some of his messages lately. He also needs to stop calling McCain a hero I am sick of this BS.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:24 PM
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11. He's my first choice, so I hope it's true.
:D

And nothing would make me happier than seeing all the talking-head eggspurts on teevee trying to wipe the egg off their faces for being completely and totally wrong on this.

:thumbsup: Obama/Clark 2008 :thumbsup:
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:25 PM
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12. The whole Clark situation stinks--unless he is the VP
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 12:49 PM by tokenlib
Wes has worked his ass off for democratic candidates and been a respected surrogate for the party on foreign affairs. The idea that he would skip the convention, schedule a business meeting in Italy, and be out of the picture is very odd. If he isn't the VP, he may have been slighted and insulted in a way he certainly does not deserve.

On edit: Now it turns out Clark will be at the convention by Thursday..that's better. Things really sounded strange for awhile there.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:27 PM
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14. He was not an early Obama supporter
He was actually a Hillary supporter.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:33 PM
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16. Which increases Clark's significance now
Clark made to pivot to Obama quickly and strongly, and stuck his neck out for Obama. Other Clinton supporters may draw conclusions from how Clark gets treated in turn.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:30 PM
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24. Wasn't trying to hate on Clark, just correcting the OP
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:34 PM
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18. Always And Forever!
Hell, I'll hope for it even when/if it's too late!


:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:34 PM
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19. They sure do present a striking image together....
Two very very intelligent and handsome men! I would LOVE to see Clark get the nod.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:36 PM
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20. I've been hoping against hope for Clark too but I don't want to be delusionally hopeful.
I still have a sliver of hope but it does seem like conventional thinking with all the evidence presented so far means that We Clark won't be part of the convention at all, much less VP. But I'm really hoping that's not true and that it's all a feint to hide the truth.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:30 PM
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23. IMO Wes Clark is a likely finalist for the job.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:09 PM
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25. Kick For The Evening Crowd
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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