I don't say much in GD-P anymore

[hyphenate]

but I will say this. If Hillary is Obama's choice for running mate, it will unite a lot of Democrats who were at odds during the primaries.

It would also shut up McCrime's ads with Hillary , and it would also give us the polar opposite of the sleazy rich white men in the white house now. A signal to our country and to the world that minorities of all stripes can make it to the highest office of power. And a chance to use the greatest amount of true experience we can amass to fight off not the "red devil" but the "devil" we know: chickenhawks and power brokers who start wars and don't end them. McCrime is just as guilty of that stance now as the neocons we can only hope will disappear instead of keep working behind the scenes. We already KNOW that Hillary won't play that particular game and she already is aware of how dangerous they will still try to be in the future.

I'm not saying it's a perfect situation, but let's face it: we've had enough shit for the past eight years to last for a very long time, and Dems fighting amongst themselves is just another element of that strife. I HATE the assholes in power now, and adding a "white rich man" to the ticket would be a grave disappointment to me, no matter who it is. It's time to call out those who continue to deny the minorities in our country, and women ARE a minority in that sense, and show we ARE the progressives we think we are, buy have never proved it.

[Whisp]

1. She is so wrong in so many ways.

I am really surprised what short memories people have here.

If one had to describe some of her votes and some of her campaign tactics without using a name,
98% here would probably think that was a repuglican, not a democrat

wrong wrong wrong person for the job.

[phantom power]

2. As I see it, the chief down-side would be....

that it would be an excuse for the MSM to engage in its favorite sport -- endless Clinton-baiting. The GOP would drag out the Clenis, and a whole new line of Clinton tabloid smears. Richard Mellon Scaife would have an orgasm, and pull out his check-book.

As far as I can tell, people never get tired of Clinton smearing. I can't explain that, but I feel pretty sure it would be a liability for Obama's campaign.

[Alexander]

3. Clinton supported the war with Iraq and rattles the sabre with Iran constantly.

No thank you.

I want a nominee who can't be painted as part of the neo-con agenda.

People here need to get over the fact that Clinton won't be the nominee.

[carlotta]

7. You mean like this....?

Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called "a threat to all of us."

Speaking before a pro-Israel crowd at a downtown hotel, Obama also repeated his call for a phased pullout of U.S. troops from Iraq and strongly backed a strong U.S. relationship with Israel.

[Jakes Progress]

11. Now you just stop with facts and reality.

People have grudges and tiny little agendas to post here. Pointing out the real world just confuses them. They will have to spend many hours listening to the gop propaganda in order to hate again after you burst their bubble with facts. How naughty of you.

[blm]

4. The Clintons could've but didn't fight these mfers agenda the last 8yrs and you want us to believe

that she will fight their agenda if only she can be on the Dem ticket?

Maybe YOU have forgotten how Bill helped SELL Bush's war agenda to Tony Blair and to the senate and congressional Democrats he helped to mislead, but many of us haven't.

Maybe YOU have forgotten how Bill used his 3week book tour in summer of 2004 to not only express support for Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war, but to vigorously DEFEND Bush from the 'criticisms of the left' being led at the time by Dem nominee, but many of us haven't forgotten that betrayal.

And Hillary didn't budge an inch against Bush on Iraq, even speaking against withdrawal timetables in June 2006, until Lieberman lost his primary race.

[Bjorn Against]

5. I know it would not unite DU if that were too happen...

No matter who Obama chooses some people will be upset, but I think the flame wars around here would be the worst if Hillary were chosen. I think for every vote that Obama would gain by choosing her he would lose another one, she is a very polarizing figure not just outside of the party but within the party as well. I don't think she would destroy the ticket like some do, but I really don't believe that a Obama/Hillary ticket would promote party unity in any way.

[Metric System]

8. Within the Democratic party? Her favorability rating with Dems is higher than...nevermind.

[Bjorn Against]

13. I know she has a lot of supporters, but she has a very vocal opposition as well...

I am not as opposed to Hillary being on the ticket as a lot of people are, but I think the fact that there is such strong opposition coming from many activists within the party would not bode well. Sure among Democrats as a whole her approval rating is quite high, the problem is that the vast majority of Democrats are not actually active in the campaign. They will show up to vote on election day, but aside from that most of people won't do anything else. The activists are the ones that get out and do the heavy lifting, and many of them are strongly opposed to Hillary. If a choice were made that would result in some of the party activists becoming less motivated it could potentially have some very negative effects. The number one rule for choosing a VP candidate is to choose someone who will not harm your ticket, I worry that Hillary could turn some key people away from the ticket and for this reason I don't think she would be a good choice.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. More people voted Against Hillary than any other candidate in history..

using her own numbers, and including the Michigan Uncommitted vote as a "none of these" then you can't deny it.

She also had the highest negative numbers in polls of any candidate to ever run for the presidential nomination

Take into account the fact that if she had not written herself a ten million dollar check to keep her campaign alive, she would have lost fairly early on.


You don't even need to get into all the unforgivable things she has said in the last six months.

She is a disaster in a pantsuit

[Erin Elizabeth]

9. That would guarantee a Democratic loss in November.

[madfloridian]

10. No, I don't agree. They undermined not only Obama, but the party chairman.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2475

[bunkerbuster1]

12. Eh, I'll support them and vote for the ticket

but I'm not sure it's such a brilliant winning strategy. A lot of people will think Obama got forced into picking her by some kind of behind-the-scenes strongarm tactic by those Evil Klintoons. (A lot of people are stupid, but there you go.)

I like the idea for the same reason I like someone like Biden--I want a VP candidate who'll work his/her ass off and fight like hell.