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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:31 PM
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DUers Beware-CNN Gallup Is About To Release A Poll Tomorrow
It will have questions about the Swift Boat brouhaha as well as the horse race questions...


I wonder what Zogby's polls and the internal Kerry polls are showing....


I'd like to know the net effect of this smear; positive or negative....
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:33 PM
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1. Another Outlier?
I'd bet anything on it. What do you think, Dumbya by 4%?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:35 PM
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3. Easily, with a double digit lead in electoral votes
We know better than to listen to them. Let's hope Stupid and Cheney think they're the accurate poll.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:36 PM
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5. Duno
I'd like to see a host of polls to see the net effect...


IMHO, the Swift Boat Veterans For Bush claims have been debunked and their ties to the * administration exposed....


But I don't claim to have the wisdom to see how this all plays out...
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:35 PM
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2. Okay, I am WARNING everybody ...
this will be negative for Kerry. Bush will be leading ... oh let me guess, 54% to Kerry's 44% with nader at 2%. The media will trumpet it and say Kerry has been sunk by swift smears ...

CNN WILL DO THIS! GALLUP WILL DO THIS!

But remember, on the eve of the 2000 election, Gallup had Bush leading by 13 points. So DON"T WORRY.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:35 PM
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4. I have a feeling
Kerry's internals show this backfiring on Bush. That is why they are stringing this out to great effect. Gallup will show us trailing by 2-4 points. We are probably leading by 3 points.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:37 PM
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6. Ah, you have a sinking feeling
... blug, blug, blug.


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:38 PM
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7. That's My Feeling And Hope...
They are polling everyday and if they thought it was hurting them they would put the fire out and not throw gasoline on it....



They sure threw alot of gas on the fire today...
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:40 PM
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8. Yes
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 07:41 PM by lancdem
Meanwhile, the Repukes are trying to kill the story now. Coincidence?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:43 PM
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9. I Sure Hope So...
My background is in social science and political science...


We are supposed to be able to understand, explain, and predict behavior but events always flummox me...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:44 PM
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10. The Gallup Poll Might Not Have Captured The Blowback If One Exists....
I sure hope one exists....
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:50 PM
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11. I was wondering that, too
if it will measure any backlash.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:22 PM
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12. I fear it will not be *good*
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 08:23 PM by jefferson_dem
but i believe it will not be dire.

There are some signs in the just released results from Washington via Strategic Visions. We see a very slight tightening on the head-to-head, with Kerry's lead sliding from 9 to 6 percentage points. But what's most telling are the favorability breakouts, which are often leading indicators. See Kerry taking a pretty substantial hit there -- from a 15 point to a 6 point fav - unfav. Sadly, that's not promising.

The good news is that W is not getting a positive push as a result. In fact, chimp-boy's disapproval number was up 4 in WA. Backlash?!!

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/washington.htm

Same deal in the Christian Science Monitor/TIPP poll. Kerry's lead dissipates but W the dolt sticks at 43-44. Only more undecideds, not many will stay with the incumbent.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

Fingers crossed. You have to think that any SBVT damage that will be done to the good guy has been done, and we'll see tomorrow.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:29 PM
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13. And since this election will be about Bush and his record
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 08:30 PM by lancdem
attacking Kerry isn't enough.

Also, notice the question about SBVT asks people if they think the charges are credible and might be true, not if they are true.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:29 PM
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14. Strategic Vision Is A Republican Polling Firm...
And these polls don't include the blowback or counterattack.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:34 PM
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17. Yep, i consider whatever numbers come out of SV to be
like a worst case scenario from our perspective. The WA was in the field until Sunday. The counterattack was starting to gather. A backlash would be so grande...poetic justice!
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:36 PM
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18. And that's some pretty expensive gas, too.
:-)

-MR
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:30 PM
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15. Polls are lagging indicators by at least a week.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:31 PM
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16. Bingo....
nt
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rullery Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:57 PM
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19. Not to worry about polls
While polls may be somewhat slanted one way or the other, pollsters understand that if they get too far off they will lose credibility and their reputations. So if a poll shows Kerry a little behind Bush, it should only stimulate us to work harder to get people registered to vote, and provide transportation on election day to those who need it. I think the greater danger would be polls that show Kerry well ahead, as that could lead to complacency.
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citoyen Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:07 PM
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20. Allegory of the cave -- we've already seen the polls
1) The campaign has internal polls on this
2) We have observed the campaign's behavior

Since the campaign seems to have decided to run with anti-SBVFT right up to the Republican convention I'm guessing the SBVFT are not hurting to much. If they were wouldn't the campaign have taken Bush's tacit offer to move on to the next smear?

The alternative is that Kerry has gone nuts and is defying the polls to prove a point. Not likely. Kerry is nothing if not cautious.
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