The poll just reported on CNN is bullshit.

[jefferson_dem]

The head-to-head was 47-47.

Key qualifier: this was a flash poll done on a Saturday night when McLame tends to poll better for the obvious reason that older folks and family folks are more likely to be home. I didn't see how many respondents were included in the sample but I think I just noted a +/- of 8% points.

I wish I could say it's unbelievable they would even report such trash...but it's not.

EDIT: +/-3.5. My bad. Link here --- http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/24/cnn-poll-post-biden-poll-shows-dead-heat/

[babylonsister]

1. cnn is in full out attack mode; it's so apparent to me. nt

[billyoc]

2. People home on Saturday night with landline telephones.

IOW, old people and their parents. :rofl:

[clydefrand]

7. Saturday night? Where are you?

[billyoc]

15. In the Starbucks on the ground floor of my building.

:hide:

[budkin]

3. They need to make it appear close...

And you all know why.

[NorthCarolina]

26. To lend credence to the "lie"

that will be the "election results"?

[my2sense]

4. when did they become faux lite?

I've been watching for the last hour and they are doing nothing but stirring in shit.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. Not so sure you could give them the "lite" moniker. More like "Faux, part Deux"

[sandnsea]

11. When Turner sold it

This is what's been going on for years and it just gets worse by the day.

[my2sense]

18. Oh - I normally watch MSNBC

I can't take much more of this - it's mind boggling how they call this journalism and get away with it.

[sandnsea]

24. If not for Keith and Rachel

MSNBC would be just as bad. Tweety will turn as soon as the convention is over, mark my words.

[CrispyQ]

20. CNN was bad during the '04 election,

but since '06 it's almost indistinguishable from faux. I can't stand to watch the little repub whores spew their right wing shit & then read "The Most Trusted Name in News" when they break for commercial. :puke:

Blitzer is a fucking embarrassment. He couldn't go off script if his life depended on it. He can barely multi-task enough to deal with the multiple headlines they display. No wonder he relates to McCain. He probably can't send email either! It speaks volumes that the corporate masters let him host their flagship show.

[muffin1]

28. And Blitzer's voice!

I would rather listen to a loop of Britney Spears whilst sticking pencils in my ears than listen to him.

[Teaser]

5. what poll?

.

[jefferson_dem]

13. A "flash poll" taken after Biden was selected.

The good news, if we were to trust the results, is that the Biden choice polled very high, even among Hillary supporters.

[polichick]

6. I am so sick of hearing about the Clintons & proud of Obama for not caving to that machine!

[bigdarryl]

8. AMEN!!! to that i'm sick and tired of these pundits keep harping on a few Clinton supporters who

say they won't vote for Obama. this poll they did is bullshit first of all they never include how many republicans who might vote for Obama and they don't even include Bob Barr in these polls who in some of these states is polling at 6 to 9 percent.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Aye. I watched for 2 minutes and had to turn it off......

Donna Brazile was asked why are the numbers growing of these anti-Obama Hillary voters. She should have said, "cause the media keeps talking about it, like we are doing now". Instead, she answered with some nonsense about Obama not addressing issues like health care, etc....that are important to them. :eyes:

Poor Donna. Guess I have to write to her about that one! [e-mail]

[TTUBatfan2008]

10. I think any poll that does not account for people like myself...

is total and utter bullshit. I am 22 years old, live on my own, and don't have a land line. There are a shitload of us out there who support Obama and we are not reflected a single bit in these polls.

[rzemanfl]

29. Can my kid move in with you? n/t

[TTUBatfan2008]

30. LMFAO...

is your kid a girl and is she hot?

[SDuderstadt]

12. For whatever it's worth....

pollsters don't just go with whatever demographic they happen to reach. I'm sure the poll was weighted for age, gender, party affiliation, etc. This doesn't mean polling isn't subject to factors that impact the outcome, just that you should regard most polls for what they are...a snapshot in time.

[jefferson_dem]

17. Are we sure they used weights?

I can guarantee they just kept dumping new numbers in until they got a "satisfactory" number of respondents. No call backs. Again, with a MoR of +/-8...wtf!

[SDuderstadt]

27. My point is the average person does not understand....

polling methodology. I don't know where you got the MoR (I assume you actually meant MoE) of +/- 8. According to CNN:

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday, with 1,023 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for all voters. For registered Democrats, it is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points, and for Democrats who still support Clinton for the party's nomination, it is plus or minus 7.5 percentage points.

[Teaser]

19. weights can be very bad things

party id, for example, is highly fluid. Reweighting the data to fixed proportions of party id can really push the numbers around.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. CNN should be closed down!

CNN is not worthy

[SDuderstadt]

21. Yeah...fuck the 1st Amendment....

right?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. if they can't be impartial then yes

since you support CNN

media should be fair to all sides. It is notihg to do with freedom of the press

[SDuderstadt]

23. Oh, for crying out loud...

and who would determine whether they are fair or not?

[writes3000]

25. The channels should be FORCED to clarify what is news reporting and what is opinon/commentary

It would make all the difference in the world and still allow "free speech".

[SDuderstadt]

31. I would hope the viewer realizes the difference...

on their own. I think the "Fairness Doctrine" would be a better remedy.

[writes3000]

35. The doctrine didn't enforce equal time. And no, many Americans do not realize the difference.

To me, that's the biggest flaw.

When Lou Dobbs reports news and then says the media is in the tank for Obama - most unsophisticated people accept it all as news.

These channels should be forced to label what's news and what's opinion.

PS - I'm not opposed to the Fairness Doctrine. I do think people overestimate what the original did.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. If this country can't be fair it may aswell give up

[SDuderstadt]

34. And, of course, the question is....

who decides what's fair?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

37. so you support McCain?

[SDuderstadt]

38. Wtf?

How does what I've written in any way suggest that I support McCain??

Hell, no...I support Obama. I am really mystified as to why you would even ask this.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

39. you seem to supporting the networks?

[SDuderstadt]

40. Jesus Christ, Bambino....

what "networks" am I "supporting"? I am pointing out some of the practical barriers to ensuring "fairness". Wouldn't it be great for us if it was enforced by an FCC with a Democratic majority of commissioners? What if it's the other way around?

I honestly have to say that I am concerned about your thinking processes. Too much either/or thinking for my taste.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. media is gagged

however, you also know that the media is controlled. Being fair and balanced is different to be controlled eith by left or right.

For instance what coverage do minority parties get in this country?

[SDuderstadt]

43. I'm sorry....

this post is so incoherent, I don't even know what to respond to.

[NYC_SKP]

33. Here's the hidden advantage to the slanted coverage.

I don't know, I haven't thought it all the way through but:



This kind of coverage can only make the Right more complacent. Thus, lower GOTV efforts and lower turnout.

Makes the left more nervous and energized, Thus increases efforts and turnout.

So, am I crazy, or is this working to our advantage in the end?

:shrug:

[thenext8seconds]

36. I was just about to say that I was wondering the same exact thing. nt

[flamingdem]

42. Are they ever complacent? They seem to be a pack of energizer bunnies

even when they have a worn out product to sell..