ENOUGH with the Keys already, It is an incredibly reprehensible thing to do,

[Perky]

Democrats are supposed to be the Good Guys. Looking out for the disenfranchised, disillusioned and disabled,

WHether you want to punish the Republicans or not using PTSD triggers is just cruel.

Yes the voters do need to be aware of it and yes it certainly is important. But this is the equivalent of pushing someone in a wheelchair down some stairs. Or mugging the elderly. It the political equivalent to "wilding" in Central Park.

The most insidious part of this is that some of the same people advocating this crap are the same folks who also demand absolute fidelity to their idea of what a Democrat is and what they must stand for. Less we look to republican.

It is tacky, imbecilic, mean and contemptible. And you dare call yourself a Democrat?

[librechik]

1. it's a lot less snarky than purple bandaids. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

4. So that makes it ok?

You serious with that? What is this, 4th grade gym?

[demobabe]

53. McCain wanting to kill my child is okay with you?

Obama is not going to lose the election because Democrats jangled keys.

To suggest so is insane.

Democrats haven't been able to get anywhere in recent years because they've been brainwashed with this "political correctness" crap.

We're sensitive, while the Republicans STEAL ALL THE MONEY, KILL OUR TROOPS, AND DESTROY THE ECONOMY.

So you may be sensitive and thoughful, but the Republicans still have your money, and have made your life worse and killed your child.

Don't fall for their programming.

[Joe the Revelator]

57. I'm not falling for their programming, I'm trying to insure that we WIN that election...

instead of letting our frustration manifest into a childish display of shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Qutzupalotl]

6. True, but we can't look to the right for moral guidance. nt

[roguevalley]

51. both suck. both are indefensible. both show more about the person

doing it than anything else. if you hated the purple heart idiots and not this, you are a hypocrite.

[Krakowiak]

55. agreed (nt)

[ProSense]

2. Enough with the preposterous conflating of the two incidents.

The organizers of the keys have no intention of attacking McCain's alleged PTSD.

The purple band-aid was a deliberate and despicable event.

This is self-righteous drivel.

[redqueen]

8. Jangling keys were first mentioned here as one of his triggers. That was the context.

But yeah, it's not about that... heavens no... it's about houses.

[KittyWampus]

17. the whole thing was suggested on Kos and had NOTHING to do w/anything else

other than McCain's houses.

People over-reacting (not you, specifically) should at least get their facts straight.

[redqueen]

25. Just a coincidence then. Interesting.

Considering that keys are for boats and cars and lockers and mailboxes and all sorts of other things, and so it's really hard to see how that idea would even get off the ground really.

Weird coincidence... yeah.

[Krakowiak]

56. that's what gets me....

It seems that the narrative goes something like this:

Poster A: Let's jangle keys to make fun of all of McCain's houses

Poster B: But keys are only going to serve to allow the Republicans to attack us, by making it seem as if we are mocking McCain's military service and his time as a POW (because it is known that the sound of keys brings up traumatic memories for him of the guards)

Poster A: Keys have NOTHING to do with his time in Vietnam! It's about houses! Are you stupid?

Poster B: Then why use keys to make this point, as they can easily be used against us. Why not use monopoly house necklaces, for example, which cannot possibly be used to attack us?

Poster A: You are stupid!

Poster B: Why does it have to be keys???



So, I'll ask again... why does it have to be keys?

[madmunchie]

37. Exactly, people want to go off at the mouth w/o really understanding

what is going on.....there is NOTHING WRONG with rattling keys because the man doesn't seem to remember how many houses he has.

[Midlodemocrat]

9. The only ones who will bring up the PTSD are the republicans

and do we really think they will bring to light the mental instability that McCain has shown?

I don't think they will. And, I don't think the media will. As we all know, the media is controlled by the RW. Too risky.

[TwilightGardener]

30. Oh, believe me, the Republicans are PRAYING that we pull this fucking stupid stunt.

[Midlodemocrat]

34. Retarded is offensive, dude.

WAY more so than jangling keys.

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

35. Sorry to offend. But that's the most apt word I can come up with right now.

[Midlodemocrat]

36. There are people here with developmentally disabled children.

If you think the key thing is reprehensible, you should think the same thing about the use of the word 'retarded'.

[TwilightGardener]

38. How about you stop advocating mocking veterans with mental trauma, and

I'll stop using the word?

[Midlodemocrat]

40. I'm advocating nothing of the kind, dude.

I'm advocating showing the world that McCain is completely mentally unstable and unsuitable for public office. If you think his PTSD is off the table, well, that's your call. I don't think it is. His temper is legendary and if his PTSD is triggered by jangling keys? FFS, we better pray he doesn't win.

[TwilightGardener]

42. Yeah, you are. And it's fucking sick. The stunt will go beyond McCain, it will

look like we're mocking all PTSD war vets.

[Midlodemocrat]

45. I doubt it.

If the republicans spin it that way, it will backfire on THEM because their candidate is unstable. If keys unhinge this guy, what will the 3AM phone call do?

[judasdisney]

62. PTSD?? What about MY aversion to shredding the Constitution??

[OwnedByFerrets]

44. Agreed!!

[TwilightGardener]

3. I can't believe this is even an idea. It's fucking sick.

[Midlodemocrat]

5. Sorry. If his PTSD is triggered by the jangling of keys, he's not fit to sit in the Oval Office.

This is fair game.

[Perky]

11. Its faif ro the press to talk about it. it is not fair to jangle keys to trigger an attack.

[Midlodemocrat]

19. How will he react if he is in the Oval Office and the janitorial staff walks by?

Fair game. Sorry. He's not fit to be President.

[Moochy]

31. DUzy

:rofl:

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. Better to trigger an attack on a campaign podium

than in the Oval Office.

[Wapsie B]

14. I agree.

Anyone that is that close to going over the edge does not belong in the White House. It's not even a question of dirty tricks against your opponent. If it could be shown that he's mentally unfit to hold office so be it.

[JVS]

52. Agreed.

[Krakowiak]

59. We already know he is NOT fit to sit in office

It's not about convincing us, and this won't help to sway anyone not convinced already. It will only serve to mock ALL veterans and lose us votes.

[judasdisney]

60. "Sorry. If his PTSD is triggered by the jangling of keys, he's not fit to sit in the Oval Office."

Holy fucking obviously. Why are there ANY complaints? Gimme some keys.

[ps1074]

7. good guys lose elections

I say Obama must hit him hard. McSame's ads are despicable.

Have you seen this ad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597YG23mAWs

This guy will stop at nothing, just like Bush.

[aquamarina]

10. I read somewhere yesterday that with regard to

McCain ads it's as though nine year olds were running his campaign. IMO janggling keys is a nine year old's response - it's just so childish.

We don't need to stoop to the purple bandaid peoples' level.

[RaleighNCDUer]

49. Purple heart bandaids promoted a lie.

Jingling keys expose a truth.

See the difference?

[liberal N proud]

12. Do you think the GOP would hold back with those tactics

Dirty? Yes; unlike compassionate Democrats? Yes

Does it work? Yes

The bad part is we have to stoop to their level to beat them. However, I think the keys thing should be more focused on the Houses he doesn't know about than the POW thing. But then again, he is the one playing the POW card for political gain, so he opened the door.

[aquamarina]

20. I am all in favor of hitting McCain hard, hard hard - on

everything - including how his POW status qualifies him to sit in the Oval office.

But the key thing makes us look silly and you know the MSM will spin it that way.

[billyoc]

13. It's a reminder of having 10 houses.

[bigscott]

21. i thought it was all about his houses

too - i never heard anything about the PTSD thing. I know i am out of touch but it seems to me the keys as symbol of 10 homes thing might be funny.

OF COURSE the media will spin it as making fun of the PTSD and that the Democrat party is playing dirty.

But of course - as is mentioned up-thread - if this dick-wad's PTSD can be triggered by keys then he should not be president anyway

Peace

[DainBramaged]

15. No it isn't

[Sequoia]

16. What's with all these "jingling car keys" posts?

[TexasObserver]

24. "No, you can't!" --- "Yes, I can!!"

"No, you can't!" "No, you can't!" "No, you can't!"


It's the never ending argument between the Censors and Free Speechers at DU.

[Moochy]

32. Organized Pre-emptive Outrage!

[TexasObserver]

18. Why?! Because the other 30 threads on this topic aren't sufficient!

[Dbdmjs1022]

22. It's about the HOUSES, not PTSD!!! If the Rethugs wanna bring that up, it's their business.

I say go for it!

[Barack_America]

23. Happy to be Rec. #5.

:thumbsup:

[samsingh]

26. starting a false war with iraq and torturing pows in 2008 is worse

don't you think?

[Bright Eyes]

27. I understand this is about his 7 houses,

But I know we can come up with a better way without making ourselves look like little children.

[Overseas]

28. Great, now we can have TEN NEW THREADS about not jangling keys !

Too many threads on the jangling keys theme. Looks like a right wing smear campaign. Make it look like Dems are teasing poor POWs.

[samsingh]

29. facts

being nasty works in American Presidential elections

repugs are nasty therefore they win most of the federal American Presidential elections

if the enemy is using a machine gun, putting up your bare hand is not going to stop the bullets, no matter how well intentioned you are.

Democrats better do what it takes (legally) to win the White House, or the repugs will do everything they can (including illegal) do get it.

as long as we don't do anything illegal, we will always be nobler than repugs.

[Moochy]

33. And you shall know these ANTI-KEY-BRIGADE-POSTERS

for they have been on your ignore lists !

[Lorien]

39. Um, the PTSD thing is bullshit. If McCain were that unhinged by keys that

he hears on TV, then he should be hospitalized, not running for president.

[Midlodemocrat]

41. .

:applause:

:thumbsup:

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. This is not about punishing him.

IT'S ABOUT KEEPING HIS HAND AWAY FROM THE FUCKING BUTTON.

If he can be freaked by something as commonplace as jingling keys, what might freak him out when that phone rings a 3 AM?

[Rambis]

47. Disagree

[Egnever]

48. Nice guys finish last

Ask John Kerry and his dont be mean to bush at the convention strategy how that worked out.

Obamas job is to be nice it isn't mine.

[bvar22]

50. Who has enough keys to jangle?

"Personal happiness and freedom is inversely proportional to the number of keys on your keyring."---anon

I personally won't participate.

[demobabe]

54. Anybody with PTSD knows that if keys set off McCain, then McCain should not be POTUS

This is not about Veterans and insulting them. They are not running for POTUS.

[Madam Mossfern]

66. Wrong!

There are many ways PTSD manifests. I think there was a quote posted here somewhere, from Mccain saying that he gets tense for a few seconds and then he's ok. I've posted before that I have PTSD, that's the way it is for me. There is a trigger event, I get a flashback for maybe 5 seconds where I feel frightened or tense, I acknowledge what is happening and then it's over. He does not go nuts when he hears keys, he just gets tense. This is just not a good argument against McCain, there are so many other REAL things that should scare us about him....like his potential appointments to the supreme court.


If anyone thinks that "pushing the button" is a spur of the moment event without checks, you are naive or perhaps just a bit disingenuous.

[Teaser]

58. Let's just make out

really, it's the only solution.

[judasdisney]

61. Jingle bells. Jingle, jingle, jingle.

Time to fight back. I'm tired of the McAuliffe Democrats who run away from confronting the fascists.

[TexasObserver]

63. McQuislings!!

The McAwful Influence.

I've got keys that jingle, jangle, jingle!!

[Lil Missy]

64. You think that would stop the Rupuke machine from using it?

Think Rove, Libby, Cheney, Bush, DeLay, and their ilk.

And frankly, if McBush is that fragile, he has no business in office.

We don't need another unstable moran nut case in the White House.

[barack the house]

65. It's nothing to do with his PTSD he is nullifying the story. McCain lies ->

We must at least still keep people aware of his wealth and disconnect.